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RE: Brits abroad - 12/13/2006 4:06:00 PM

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Probably the Netherlands. Pot and hookers, can't beat that. LOL.

I take this back, having looked at the tax rates. I'll visit maybe.

Is there a country that has low taxes, liberal laws in regards personal freedoms. That would be the country I'd want to live in, and not in a hypothetical sense either. It doesn't matter if it's panama,puerto rico(sorta a country), Iceland, Russia, Britian, etc.. I'm more concerned with taxes, and personal freedom, I could deal with any drawbacks otherwise, like climate.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/13/2006 5:15:54 PM

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Wow, this thread is rife with the angst of the politically powerless.

I would like to live somewhere with liberal laws, a good tax system and a socially just government - a place that is also socialistic enough to catch people when they retire, fall or have a medical need.

California, USA sure ain't it.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/13/2006 7:17:08 PM

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Wow, this thread is rife with the angst of the politically powerless.

I would like to live somewhere with liberal laws, a good tax system and a socially just government - a place that is also socialistic enough to catch people when they retire, fall or have a medical need.

California, USA sure ain't it.

California, shudder. I feel for you.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 2:53:34 AM

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Probably the Netherlands. Pot and hookers, can't beat that. LOL.

I take this back, having looked at the tax rates. I'll visit maybe.

Is there a country that has low taxes, liberal laws in regards personal freedoms. That would be the country I'd want to live in, and not in a hypothetical sense either. It doesn't matter if it's panama,puerto rico(sorta a country), Iceland, Russia, Britian, etc.. I'm more concerned with taxes, and personal freedom, I could deal with any drawbacks otherwise, like climate.

You are proabbly better off paying more tax in Holland than paying low tax in the US by the time you have paid for your health insurance and social secuity and private pension etc etc. I was thinking about moving to California where my brother lived and did my sums and would need to earn 30% more in the US than here to have the same standard of health insurance, pension etc etc.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 6:02:47 AM

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You are proabbly better off paying more tax in Holland than paying low tax in the US by the time you have paid for your health insurance and social secuity and private pension etc etc. I was thinking about moving to California where my brother lived and did my sums and would need to earn 30% more in the US than here to have the same standard of health insurance, pension etc etc.

That percentage seems high to me, but the gist of your remark is reasonable in my view. I keep telling people that socialism means more bang for the buck instead of endless squandering on pork projects and the usual corporate lube jobs. Americans actually think that socialism costs more rather than less.

I can you imagine U.S. fed, state, and local governments actually having to provide real services instead of just endless taxation and fines?

What Americans do not grasp are the simplest concepts in political philosophy nor how far we are from the democratic republic devised under the Constitution.

Quick: define direct versus indirect taxation.

The U.S. Supreme Court likes to pretend that question can be answered in multiple ways and most Americans never notice that fact. Sadly, it is a fundamental question.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 6:10:20 AM

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My brother said the US is no place for the luckless.

To me, your brother has it just about right ... but there is something crucial to add to the mix.

It's not that Americans are uncaring, as so many seem want to express. America just isn't all that good at taking care of it's problems. Perhaps we are a young country and don't have these things worked out yet, or perhaps there is a flaw in the system. A very short story ...

My older sister and I fell on hard times when I was twelve. After living in hell for about eighteen months, we found a relative willing to take us in. Two random factors worked in our favor. They were unable to have children of their own, and she and I cleaned up well, I guess. So we come to Texas, and get a new life. I had a lot of problems, and the people here are very patient, and just well over with love ... random factor three.

Without a lot of luck, and things falling just right, we probably would have ended up ... I don't even want to guess. There is a flaw there ... what about all the kids that don't have these things go well.

Then, there is a tuition assistance program I qualified for. It's designed to help kids that have suffered a setback in life, get a leg up. I qualified, and get tuition assistance, as long as I keep my GPA at a high level ... the higher the level, the more money I get.

This isn't structured well ... oh, great for me, but what about everyone else? There is no cap on the cost of the school you attend, and no educational limit.

What it basically comes down to, is that in American society, there is tons of help out there, but its random chance if you get it, and my guess is that most of it goes to people that don't really need it as much as others.

Sorry for the highjack.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 8:26:28 AM

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You are proabbly better off paying more tax in Holland than paying low tax in the US by the time you have paid for your health insurance and social secuity and private pension etc etc. I was thinking about moving to California where my brother lived and did my sums and would need to earn 30% more in the US than here to have the same standard of health insurance, pension etc etc.

That percentage seems high to me, but the gist of your remark is reasonable in my view. I keep telling people that socialism means more bang for the buck instead of endless squandering on pork projects and the usual corporate lube jobs. Americans actually think that socialism costs more rather than less.

I was factoring in my need to buy a car and such. I don't need a car here as there is a cheap integrated transport system in the city that renders that need redundant as well as cheap national public transport (subsidized by tax). I forget what else I factored in but I was looking at living to the same standard and with different countries having different solutions I was assessing equivalents so it wasn't an exact figure but a reasonable guesstimate.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 9:58:57 AM

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Well I'm lucky.
I have dual American/ Irish Citizenship so I can live anywhere in America or the E.U.
Right now the U.S. is cheaper to live in than the E.U. because of the dollar/euro exchange rate.
Ireland has to be one of the most beautiful countries to live in and the people are great but it's expensive.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 10:01:35 AM

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...not a hijack Caitlyn, but totally germane to the thread. Personally i think that the US isn't a good place for the unlucky, your post and others bear this out. i would not want to live somewhere where childrens lives and futures were sacrificed to the goal of a low tax regime.
The only countries i would live in have mixed economies. Generally speaking this means that infrastructure is state-run and business is left to get on with things.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 10:14:36 AM

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Well I'm lucky.
I have dual American/ Irish Citizenship so I can live anywhere in America or the E.U.
Right now the U.S. is cheaper to live in than the E.U. because of the dollar/euro exchange rate.
Ireland has to be one of the most beautiful countries to live in and the people are great but it's expensive.

Well yeah, Europe will be expensive with the dollar declining and New York is great for Europeans on a shopping spree. Long may the dollar decline, a weekend in New York was once the stuff of fantasy and now its a reality.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 10:33:51 AM

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Probably the Netherlands. Pot and hookers, can't beat that. LOL.

I take this back, having looked at the tax rates. I'll visit maybe.

Is there a country that has low taxes, liberal laws in regards personal freedoms. That would be the country I'd want to live in, and not in a hypothetical sense either. It doesn't matter if it's panama,puerto rico(sorta a country), Iceland, Russia, Britian, etc.. I'm more concerned with taxes, and personal freedom, I could deal with any drawbacks otherwise, like climate.

You are proabbly better off paying more tax in Holland than paying low tax in the US by the time you have paid for your health insurance and social secuity and private pension etc etc. I was thinking about moving to California where my brother lived and did my sums and would need to earn 30% more in the US than here to have the same standard of health insurance, pension etc etc.

I do think the US is overtaxed for nothing but paying for bureaucracy. That is my problem so many useless things could be removed that burden the working class and even the moderately upper class. The tax code for one costs billions of billions of dollars in costs just to pay accountants. The prison system is full up on people who have commited non-crimes in my view. The military is all over the place and occupying 100's of coutries around the world. Just reduce those and you don't have to take away from social programs or whatever, and still lower the tax burden on businesses and individuals, which will undoubtedly reduce the need for the social programs, anyway.

There is more useless crap that could be removed that helps no one. Like the fed, fractional banking, foreign aid to most countries receiving it, the money given to the UN. If you add it all up I bet the saving could make a whole state of millionaires.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 3:53:06 PM

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Meat - I'm not convinced that the traffic system of London is any better or worse than any other major city. But my love of London stretches a lot further than Hazel's oral talents outside the glorious Alexandra Palace, I think its a beautiful city and there aren't many in the world that can compete with it for an important place in world history.

However, if London has one drawback it's that it's unfortunately crawling with Cockneys. But even the Mona Lisa had faults.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 3:56:30 PM

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London has far more than one draw back

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 3:58:15 PM

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Really? What drawbacks does it have that any other major city doesn't have?

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 4:01:01 PM

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I never said it had draw backs that other cities didnt have although give me time to think and im sure ill come up with some. I said it had more than one drawback.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 4:06:11 PM

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Let me know if you come up with some.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 4:09:23 PM

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it is now my lifes mission

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 4:18:06 PM

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Drumming fingers......

Anyway, it's a shame to pick out negative points in a city that has such incredible history and architecture and I hate to see Brits running it down instead of praising it.

I love England, you don't have to.

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 4:23:51 PM

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hey give a girl a chance
i want to come up with best possible argument that london is a shit hole
just kidding

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RE: Brits abroad - 12/14/2006 4:35:05 PM

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Im sorry hun but England is no great place to live. Anyone who says it doesnt have its share of problems really is wearing rose tinted glasses.
In my personal opinion London has several draw backs and yes its my personal opinion.
*The cost of living.
*The standard of living due to the cost of living.
*The crime rates.
*Transport
*High levels of pollution
* Hookers, rent boys in train stations (in fact everywhere i went)
*The royal family

Good points of London

*the theatres
*the restaurants
Sorry i'm struggling now.

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