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DominaSmartass -> Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 7:56:01 PM)

I'm thinking of buying a mini stun gun, ebay has quite a number of them for sale. I want something that would be good for CBT or generally just shocking someone. I would be playing with a masochist but I want to be able to play for a long time without going overboard. This leads me to ask if anyone has advice on what strength of stun gun to get. I've seen lots of mini ones ranging from 400,000 volts to 1,000,000 volts. Do they make adjustable mini ones? Can someone who's done this before advise? Thanks!

PS - Lucky Albatross, I've already searched through old threads and not seen the specific information I'm looking for so no need to do it :)



mnottertail -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 8:00:40 PM)

LOL, that can kill you.........

Cattleprods you old cowpoke, now there's the ticket.

Tex Ritter



AquaticSub -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 8:01:34 PM)

I don't know a thing about mini-stun guns asides from they are designed to hurt a lot. I guess that a violet wand if would be better for anything involving the gentalia and those are definately adjustable.



DominaSmartass -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 8:06:09 PM)

According to the seller of the 400,000 volt mini stun guns, they can cause "confusion" when applied for 3-5 seconds but leave no lasting harm. So no, they can't kill you. I have applied a mini stun gun to my own arm and it doesn't even hurt that bad, I just don't know what voltage it was. Plus, the proper way to use one in this context would be to apply it for only a fraction of a second at a time. Nowhere near 3-5 seconds of continuous contact. I'm just talking "ZAP!" then move on. And sure, I'd buy a Violet Wand if I had $300 to spare. A mini stun gun is less than $30 even with shipping.



mnottertail -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 8:11:10 PM)

Aw the hell with this whole thing, get you an old maytag gasoline engine, the ones that used to run the farm washing machines, you can hook a couple leads up to the area of interest and PUMP THEM UP just like Arnie.....(thats what we did as kid when we interrogated the Nazis)

LOL,
Ron



MstrssPassion -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 8:16:17 PM)

the pain receptors in your arm is no comparison to that of a boys jewels

hold the thing to your clit & get back to us

(still not the same but at least you'll get a better idea)



DominaSmartass -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 8:20:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

the pain receptors in your arm is no comparison to that of a boys jewels

hold the thing to your clit & get back to us

(still not the same but at least you'll get a better idea)


Hello??? That's WHY I'm asking. I have no idea what voltage this thing was that I felt a few weeks ago. No way to find out, it was totally in passing at an event. If someone who has played with them before could recommend which voltage to go with it would be much appreciated. But obviously you'd rather reitterate my own ignorance which I have previously professed.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 8:20:45 PM)

I can only recall one thread on stun guns in the past, and they weren't about buying particular models.

I've seen stun guns used in scenes lots before, but it's not a type of play that really interests me so I've never really researched it.  I would say know the laws in this case, make sure it's ok to be carrying what you are in your state.



DominaSmartass -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 8:23:00 PM)

At the moment I'm in FL and it's totally legal (you know, in case of alligator attack.) I will be living in PA soon but it's only "restricted" in Philly and I am going to be living outside city limits. But by all means, I will not run down the street waving my stun gun and asking people if they'd like to try it. That would just be silly. ;)



Voltare -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 8:27:38 PM)

To be honst, I'm a little curious about this one, too.  We're interested in exploring electro play, but we don't want to spend a months rent on it.

I know enough about electric gear to recognize amps, volts, current, AC, DC, etc, but not enough to just 'build' one, nor do I know what the human body can (or should) tolerate in short and long term usage.  I don't know that a stun gun is the best route to go, either, considering they aren't designed for frequent or long term usage.



mistoferin -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 8:29:48 PM)

I have no comprehensive knowledge of how electricity works but I do know that all levels of electricity carry risk to the human body. Even the use of relatively mild and simple things like violet wands and TENS units could be contraindicated in some persons. There have been many deaths reported that are associated with the use of stun guns and tazers. I do not know if these deaths occurred because there was an underlying and possibly undetected health condition such as a heart condition. I would fully research the risks and effects....much farther than trying it out on myself.



mnottertail -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 8:38:14 PM)

OK, as always --- if all else fails, read directions --- Google Uncle Abdul or ask whoever let you stick the thing on your arm what it was, if you can't  do that, then --- you shoulda asked, I know that's lame, but --- I wouldn't listen to anyone out here on what it could have been........but I do cattleprods because  I know  no farmer wants to whack 1600 pounds of prime beef, they just wanna tease them a little to get them to move....

Mr. GreenJeans
(cause I would hate to have to hire a tie for 750 bucks an hour all the way to the supreme court to say 'Well, mnottertail told me it was ok', I don't think that will set the kind of precedent you would be looking for at that juncture in your space-time continuum)   



MasterEndeavor -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 9:13:42 PM)

Geezuss girl your hardcore!!!!!!!! Shocking the boys jewels, I like the way you think but stay the hell away from me with that thing! Ha!

Here's the run down, voltage won't kill you, amperage kills you! Stun guns are extremely high voltage but relatively low amperage. I don't know what level of pain you are trying to achieve but I would imagine the one you felt on your arm was on the very low end. I would go mid range for your first purchase, and if your boys jewels can take it, ramp it up next time!

PS ..It is something about the extreme high "voltage" that causes a disruption to the brain that causes the disorientation. Hope this helps!



mnottertail -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 9:20:20 PM)

It don't

high and low voltage can kill you as well as high and low amperage...
voltage can freeze or sieze up muscle
and amperage can freeze or sieze up nerve.......don't belive me, google it.

So milliamps can kill you and megavolts can fry you, i.e--- and it all depends on how its done, I survived sticking a knife in a home outlet, many have; but not all.....

Ron 



mistoferin -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 9:35:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterEndeavor
Here's the run down, voltage won't kill you, amperage kills you! Stun guns are extremely high voltage but relatively low amperage.


This would seem to be in direct contradiction to all of the reported and documented deaths attributed to stun guns.

quote:

I would go mid range for your first purchase, and if your boys jewels can take it, ramp it up next time!  


And if the mid range proved to be too much you could always hire a really good attorney.



MasterEndeavor -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 9:40:51 PM)

Damn,
yes electricity is bad! Grabbing a high voltage line is bad! Running any amount of electicity across the heart is dad! But a high volt low amp stun gun "AIN'T" gonna kill you!



mnottertail -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 9:51:09 PM)

Well ....how does a stun gun differ from say......a tazer(taser, however you want it)?





mistoferin -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/13/2006 9:59:11 PM)

Taser is the manufacturer of stun guns.



petdave -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/14/2006 4:23:28 AM)

A Tazer is a specific brand of electrical weapon that actually fires small darts into the victim, the idea being to break the skin... once the skin is broken, electricity is conducted MUCH more efficiently. These are strongly not recommended for BDSM play.

On generic stun guns- start with the lowest power. Quality control is a serious issue with these, as is, howyousay, "creative" advertising.

If you want to get into electrical play very cheaply, get an electric fly swatter for $9.99 or so. Disassemble it, and take just the handle part of it. It should have two wires connecting to the grid. Cut off the grid and throw it away, and affix the two wires so that they're sticking out of the handle just an inch or so apart. Use that as a stun gun. It's much more controllable than the whole racquet in terms of stimulation delivered, and gives a satisfying *snap* and blue spark in a dark room. IMX, it will also leave small burn marks on the bottom- a whole galaxy of them if you're persistent.

...dave



Voltare -> RE: Advice sought on mini stun guns (12/14/2006 5:06:35 AM)

Ok, so I did some homework, and here's the lowdown (sources cited below.)  Be aware, this is not for the squimish.

Vocabulary Time:  Types' of current, AC and DC.  Basically, AC is the current you get from the wall, and DC is the type from a battery (they stand for Alternating Current and Direct Current.)  Tens units, Violet Wands, Stun Guns, etc all operate using DC power.

Voltage, Watts, and Amps:  

Amps X Volts = Watts

For all of our equipment, a low amperage is desired - current delivered at more than 10 mA (Milliampere, or 0.01 Amperes) can be fatal, but 1mA is barely detectable.  Most of our equipment will run between 3.5 and 5 mA.  By contrast, a standard 60 Watt ceiling lightbulb uses 120 volts at 0.5 Amps.  This much electricity will kill you.

Tenatus: A siezure of the muscles caused by external electric current (this is what actually causes someone who touches an electric wire with their hand to become unable to release it.)

Fibrillation: heart condition where the organ simply flutters instead of beating properly.  A current of higher than 1 mA passing directly through the heart (i.e. via pacemaker) can cause fibrillation, though a 110 Volt shock at roughly 50-60 mA from one arm through the chest to the other arm for less than a second can also cause fibrillation.

Electrical Burn: the damage done to tissue when high enough electric causes the tissue to overheat (picture putting a piece of chicken in a microwave.)  More than

Tens Unit:  Medical device typically used to relieve chronic pain.  Usually battery powered, and requires the use of two electrodes to pass current directly through the skin from one electrode to the other.  Can be purchased for around $100.

Violet Wand:  Typically used as a BDSM tool, delivers an electric shock directly to the skin, similar to a static shock (from shuffling on a carpet and then touching something metal.)  Priced from $200 up.

Stun Gun:  Personal protection device, intended to incapacitate an individual through a 1-5 second constant contact.  Can be found from $30 up.

Vocabulary out of the way, here's the scoop.

Normal health risks of electro play are electrical burns and cardiac arrest.  If enough electricity passes through any part of the human body, it heats the tissue, damaging or destroying it.  The amount depends on several factors, including the frequency (how many shocks per second), intensity (how many watts/amps and how high the voltage) and the area exposed (a foot vice a thigh.)  A good place to start is 5-10 mA (Milliampere) of DC current (or 1-10 mA AC in the Violet Wand case.)  Another risk is if current is passed through the heart, causing fibrillation - in NO case should current be passed through the heart (though generally speaking, a Violet wand used on the left breast is not as high of a risk, compared to placing electrodes on the front and back of the left side of the chest.)   It should go without saying that any usage of electrical current above the neck would not only be dangerous, but likely to land you in prison.

The risks involved can be measured in Volts and Amps.  Essentially, Watts = Volts X Amps.  Thus a stun gun with 300,000 volts rating is considered safe, because they are used at 2.5 mA - for a total of 750 watts.  This is, of course, not considering resistance (i.e. the person's clothing and the actual tissue the shock passes through.)  Such circumstances are not considered harmful, though exposure to a similar gun with 10 or more mA could be fatal to humans (thus such a weapon would be illegal in most states and countries.)  Note, that in all situations, a low Amperage is the key to this type of equipment.

So, essentially, a low powered stun gun used on extremeties (arms, feet, legs, buttocks) and carefully should present no serious health risk.  Bear in mind, though, that electroplay is a very high risk type of activity, and could very well land you in jail.

BTW, mistoferin is right, TASER is manufacturered by TASER international.

Further reading here:

http://www.spsenergy.com/pages/aboutElectricity.htm

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_3/2.html

http://www.violetwand.org/home.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question501.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_shock

http://www.pge.com/microsite/PGE_dgz/body/hp.html

http://www.burnsurvivor.com/injury_examples_electrocution.html




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