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emdoub -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 8:56:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

Dear SumterDom, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Dominants never have an 'off day.'


[sm=biggrin.gif]ROFL!

I've never known one who hasn't - and if they won't admit to it, they're either

    a) Very new.
    b) keeping up a front.
         or
    c) thinking that their health will never intrude, their focus will never waver, and their other responsibilities/duties will never interfere.

But thanks for the chuckle....

Midnight Writer




Kinkypupper -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 9:18:23 PM)

GO SLOWLY. one small step at a time. If you impose to much control to fast she may rebel , It has to be very subtle and not immediately noticeable.
Start with a small thing like making sure you go threw doors in front of her. and do not ask her what she wants for dinner and such.

Phil




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 9:21:45 PM)

SumterDom,

I've found it extremely helpful to me to write stuff down. I wrote a household manual detailing what I think I want, what I expect and what I think I have to offer. The good thing about this is: the slave knows what to expect. The bad thing is: the slave knows what to expect. When you start to falter, your slave can point and say, "Look! You said you wanted this." At that point, you have the choice to either return to the behavior or to change the expectation, but with the slave's knowledge (this is assuming that you're communication about it).

Master Fire




emdoub -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 9:33:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam
<...> (this is assuming that you're communication about it).


MasterFire - it's my experience that if they don't have communication, it's doomed in any case.

I don't expect that this will surprise anyone very much.

Midnight Writer




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 9:35:10 PM)

While I am still wondering if Marie's suggestion will work with my switch from LD to real time ... and trying to get it unstuck from my head...

The change in dynamic must have been mutual.  You loosened the reins, and she didnt hint to have you tighten them back up.  Obviously, you have a good relationship, or it wouldnt be going on for 3 years.  Is the power dynamic really that important to you that you would give that up if you couldnt regain the same dynamic you had in the beginning?
I may have missed this, but is she also unhappy with the dynamic as it is?  Does she also want to get back to the D/s relationship you had, rather than continue on with where you are now or is this just a one sided discontent?  How you handle regaining your control would depend greatly on whether or not she wanted to be controlled again. If she doesnt, if she is happy where you are now and doesnt want to put the effort back into being a sub or slave... you might not be able to take your control back. Consent isnt necessarly implied becasue thats how the relationship began, since things change.  Id definately say a long conversation would help, so you can see wher both of you see the relationship heading and where to go from there.

DV




leakylee -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 9:40:16 PM)

wheww!! need some ice in here. well i dont have much in the way of advice to offer, but i say try this. if it dont work, well it had to be fun tryin. if not, well hell it just sounds good.

lee




starshineowned -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 9:49:46 PM)

Greetings..~smiles~

Agree's with everything thats been said thus far. Alot of good idea's and thoughts.

The only thing that I can offer Sir is: Instead of sitting down and talking with your sub to get her to offer up idea's, thoughts..I would use this as part of a re-introduction to D/s and control. Be straight forward and firm, and tell her that you want her to sit down and write anything new she likes or dislikes about things you all have done thus far over the 3yrs. People do change. Don't make it a "honey please" thing. Make it a you will do this, and give her a set amount of time to accomplish it. When she has..then have her kneel and give it to you, and keep her there until you've read through it. Then let her adjust some, and you both discuss it, add on what your thoughts are, and set the course back on track a few things at a time based on the new input you both have given.

I can speak for myself from past experience that when obtaining information like this from me is done in any manner that makes me perceive it as "please do this" instead of a calm, firm command..then I start feeling like I'm in control, topping from the bottom..being the one to run the show or get things back on track.

In doing this you've already started introducing your control back over her in a slow manner thats not a shock to her system, you will get the information from her that Is needed after all this time has past, and you will also be able to monitor her reaction as she completes this task.

Good Luck to you both

Well Wishes
starshine
Happy slave of Master Delvin




mons -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/26/2006 1:58:35 AM)

greetings

you have three years with this woman, and if she does not do like you want you will leave her? have you thought of the love she has for you and i am sure she will jump right back into what you want, but any male whom lets the woman lead after the males has lead ( she see you as an easy one ) take her back to where you want it dear i hope all goes will

mons ( dyslecix here forgive my writing)




kyraofMists -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/26/2006 7:16:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SumterDom

I have searched for this particular subject but since I haven't found this variant I am seeking opinions on how a dominant can regain control of their submissive once they have allowed the relationship to evolve into something entirely too vanilla. What started strict, with rules and protocols about 3 years ago has become very much like any other vanilla relationship. A vanilla relationship is not what I want, so I need to regain the control I desire or end this relationship and move onto one where I actively maintain control right from the beginning and on through it too. I prefer to keep this relationship and am interested in others experiences in regaining lost control. Thanks in advance for your thoughts and opinions on this subject.


A couple more questions for you to consider...  What did she do to try and maintain the dynamic for the past 3 years and what is she going to do to give you the authority back?

One person cannot maintain the authority structure; this is something both of you will have to work on.

Knight's kyra




MstrssPassion -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/26/2006 8:07:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SumterDom

I have searched for this particular subject but since I haven't found this variant I am seeking opinions on how a dominant can regain control of their submissive once they have allowed the relationship to evolve into something entirely too vanilla. What started strict, with rules and protocols about 3 years ago has become very much like any other vanilla relationship. A vanilla relationship is not what I want, so I need to regain the control I desire or end this relationship and move onto one where I actively maintain control right from the beginning and on through it too. I prefer to keep this relationship and am interested in others experiences in regaining lost control. Thanks in advance for your thoughts and opinions on this subject.


There are several points to consider here.

1) The relationship started out strict with rules & protocols... you allowed it to become too vanilla
  
Did it start out this way since day one or did it evolve into this strict structure? I ask this because often we start our relationships off before we clearly define the dynamics. Though in our minds we have an idea of how we want things to go, we have no idea how the machine will run until we are actually in there, for real, living it day in & day out. So our pre-relationship ideals will most likely require adjustments along the way. On the flip side, did you already have this clearly defined structure all figured out before the sub entered? Did you fully explain the dynamics to the sub & did she surrender to this? If so, maybe the sub didn't fully understand what she was getting herself into or agreed to the terms without fully embracing them. At any rate... once again, we never know exactly what will happen when two lives are joined until they are actually together & living their lives together. "best-laid plans of mice and men often go awry"
 
As the dominant you are responsible for the structure of the relationship. You must define it & maintain it but you also have to allow room for growth because the reality of it all... you & your partner are human beings. There will always be a need to modify the structure to accommodate the needs of both partners, not just the dominant's needs & desires. You will have to take into consideration what they bring to the table as well unless you plan to place them under lock & key, toss them in a holding cell & micromanage ever aspect of their life.
 
So with that said...

2)A vanilla relationship is not what I want, so I need to regain the control I desire or end this relationship and move onto one where I actively maintain control right from the beginning and on through it too.

Are you absolutely & without any doubt sure about what type of relationship you want? Are you clear on what your vision is of this relationship? Is this your own vision or is it a vision that someone else has described it to be or told you it should be like?

Something else to consider...
If you allowed this relationship to become what it is then why should she be punished by you ending it & moving on? What makes you think you would do any better with someone new if you are the one responsible for this relationship to become something you don't desire.

At the end of the day, you have a relationship that is 3 yrs old. You both have a large investment in each other & you both need to communicate what you both need in order to make the relationship work. You've already voiced that you want to maintain this relationship. What you need to do is not concern yourself with any outside influences & do what is best for you & your partner. A bunch of strangers on a board are not going to be able to tell you how to resolve this. Even your friends & acquaintances can't tell you how to run your house or how to make it better. This is up to you & your partner.

I've been subject to the all to well intended advice of friends & acquaintances in the past. I know that the advice offered may have been effective in their own dynamics but it really didn't work in mine. I experienced first hand how the best intension turned into unnecessary & unwanted pressure for me to do what they perceived to be the best path to follow. Suddenly friendly advice felt more like condemnation & expressions of my being a failure.


Best advice to you is take time for a good, long, open talk about just what the heck is going on & where it is going.

Good luck to you
 




Celeste43 -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/26/2006 9:28:51 AM)

Is it that the relationship has turned vanilla, or are you instead at your comfort level? Meaning if when you come in she kisses you and then gets you a drink without you asking, that could be viewed as vanilla. It could also be that she's trained to do this and no longer needs reminding.

Now if you've stopped taking control and she's unhappy, first you have to regain her trust and respect. Quite honestly, I don't think I could after three years suddenly say sure, if he announced he had changed his mind and did want a D/s relationship after all. I wouldn't trust him to know what he really wanted nor to be able of maintaining such a relationship after he had proved to me that he wasn't capable.

Start by talking to her about it and then start slow. One new rule at a time and no more than you are capable of checking on and maintaining. Because if you don't care enough about the rules to enforce them, then why should she?




SumterDom -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/30/2006 8:54:25 PM)

Sorry I've taken this long to again respond to the replies to my original presentation. Working all the time doesn't help matters, but we do what we have to to get by sometimes.

Phoenix, Good questions...I will have to do some more introspection to provide myself with sufficient answers. Yes, I want my sub to be happy. The relationship started out more strict. The rules and protocols were in place and were being followed. Though my perspective is proving to be wrong, in retrospect, I've always been under the impression that if one is given rules etc that they should follow them. After repeated times of them not being followed (this came about after a couple of years by the way) rather than cracking the whip so to speak, I determined that she didn't really want to follow them and pretty much stopped inforcing them. I just don't fully understand that if someone says they want rules and limits etc, and you give them to them, then logic would say that they'd abide by the, But apparently there is a need to not follow them. The "testing". Why must they test? You want the rules? The parameters? Then why not just follow them? What am I missing here? Sorry to ramble but I got on a roll there.




SumterDom -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/30/2006 9:20:51 PM)

Thanks Focus for the smacks. Maybe I mis-spoke. It's not my desire to throw the relationship or my sub away. That's part of why I posted. I want to turn it around. I do recogniz that throwing the relationship away and starting a new one would eventually bring me back to where I am now as far as relationships go. So best to work on this one, and learn, and improve it.

Thanks for the perspective though.




SumterDom -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/30/2006 9:55:26 PM)

Focus, that really reminds me of my beginning in this lifetyle. This sub was really my first in D/s. Priot to this were BDSM players and "bedroom" subs. The rules and protocols were borrowed from many of those located on the net. It was a case of trying to do what was expected, I guess, rather than doing what was right for me. THere is so-o much on the net about rules, protocols etc that for a newbie it can actually be confusing, or maybe overwhelming is a better term.

The first groups of folks in the lifestyle I started socializing with were largely involved in the leather lifestyle and Old Guard practises. For decades I've been very much an analytical type rather than a creative or conceptual type. So it was easier, and seemed smart, that these rules were there, and this was the way things were done. It can be dificult to determine what one really wants and needs when those considerations in the past have been luxuries that were not conducive to ones survival. I was raised in such a manner that what I wanted wasn't important. I imagine that has had a bearing on where I am now. But that's part of my seeking and not wanting to just give in. I resist that urge. The one that says to bother with it. That it's too much "work".




SumterDom -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/30/2006 10:26:24 PM)

KadyHugs,
Thanks for the reply. THough I agree with quite a bit of what you have to say, I don't agree with the first part that dominants never have an "off day. In theory that's correct. But that's hwy it's called theory. It's not practical. I believe most submissives recognize their doms will have off days. Afterall we are human. Though off months is less acceptable. I do see where that does occur from time to time as well. In those cases it takes a strong and dedicated sub that will take the reins as needed. Do they want to? No. But they recognize the ned as needed. Now hopefully it isnt a frequently reoccuring situation. If it were even the sub might have to start questioning whether their needs are being met. There are no absolutes in my work. There are the ways we hope and expect things to run. But even those are subject to outside influences that alter course. Might there be question on whether situations will happen again? Sure. But I think it's the overall, long term experiences that determine ones actions toward their dominant at those times. Sub have hope, and hope can keep them there and keep them going. At least for awhile.
Yes, I did become lazy. As mentioned in an earlier post, the constant re-enforcing of rules and rituals to me doesn't seem correct either. After repeated attempts, sometimes with success...for awhile...I wasn't as inclined to keep doing it over nad over. ANother posted talked about consistency. I guess this applies. I have had problems with this. If you don't want to dismiss your sub but they keep testing it gets hard to continue that past of the relationship.
I did utilize high and low protocols as well. The high protocols were in effect when we would attend local lifestyle events. I gues in reality it was more a medium protocol. Only once or twicw have I attended functions where hig protocol was appropriate. But living the lifestyle daily low protocol seemd more appropriate. Part of what's happened is some of the rules established early on have now become habits for my girl and she doesn't see that daily efforts of making her follow them as no attention is placed on them now.

You also have given me much to consider as I go forward.




SumterDom -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/30/2006 10:34:16 PM)

diamonddreamlove,
I hasn't taken 3 years to get to the point of wanting to return. The relationship has been going on for about 3 years. Wanting to get back to the point it once was, or something similar but better, has been an ongoing stryggle for me for the past year'ish. From conversations we have had she does want the D/s realtionship to rule but I must admit I have conditioned her to a variation of vanilla for the most part. Neither one of is happy about that though. I guess we've gotten into a vicious cycle. One to where she resists and I get tired of fighting what seems to be a never ending battle. I think though that a main thing will be that I will have to establish at least basic rules and enforce them each and every time. Surely after awhile she'll either accept that this is how it's going to be or she'll speak up enough to ask for release if that's moe important to her than abiding by the rules. We shall see




juliaoceania -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/30/2006 10:34:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SumterDom

Focus, that really reminds me of my beginning in this lifetyle. This sub was really my first in D/s. Priot to this were BDSM players and "bedroom" subs. The rules and protocols were borrowed from many of those located on the net. It was a case of trying to do what was expected, I guess, rather than doing what was right for me. THere is so-o much on the net about rules, protocols etc that for a newbie it can actually be confusing, or maybe overwhelming is a better term.

The first groups of folks in the lifestyle I started socializing with were largely involved in the leather lifestyle and Old Guard practises. For decades I've been very much an analytical type rather than a creative or conceptual type. So it was easier, and seemed smart, that these rules were there, and this was the way things were done. It can be dificult to determine what one really wants and needs when those considerations in the past have been luxuries that were not conducive to ones survival. I was raised in such a manner that what I wanted wasn't important. I imagine that has had a bearing on where I am now. But that's part of my seeking and not wanting to just give in. I resist that urge. The one that says to bother with it. That it's too much "work".


Just a thought from someone that is in a very loose unstrict power exchange relationship. My Daddy is not really into protocols, we act more naturally, but he has the "authority", meaning that I am well aware of who he is to me in my life, and what that means to me. Having a lot of protocols may not actually be a good thing for every couple.

Think about a dog/master relationship. The dog loves you, wants to please you, will do what you say because you are alpha and they have a loyalty to you. A submissive is not a dog, but most dog owners do not set up a bunch of protocols all the time, they are the master and the dog is owned by them. The dog does not listen when told what to do, and then the dog has to have the master re-establish who the alpha is.

Perhaps you should rethink what protocols are most pleasing to you, which ones that you desire from her, and not base this on what other people have in their relationship, but on the uniqueness that is your relationship. It seems like it would be less work to enforce more rituals and protocol than you actually feel you need in your dynamic.

But this is from the perspective of someone that has just a sprinkling of that sort of thing in my life. But when he says so, I jump. You know, someone yells all the time at me, I might not hear them after awhile, someone raises their voice rarely, and that really gets my attention.




SumterDom -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/30/2006 10:43:21 PM)

MasterFireMaam,
I do like the discintion in your post "...detailing what I think I want". To me it shows coming up initially with what we want then having the ability to recognize if it's not and to change it as we see fit. In these situations it is important to let the sub know that your decisions are not cast in stone and you may choose to changed your rules as you feel needed.
Thanks for you response.




SumterDom -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/30/2006 10:52:43 PM)

DiurnalVampire,
I don't know that I'd say it was mutual. She tried to get it back by acting up and/or breaking rules/ But my thought processes (wrongly) said she didn't want it since she would not follow the rules. I think now that may have, in part, been her way of trying to have the dyanamic re-established. What we got together it was only about the dynamic. We both enjoy each others company and we get along quite well usually. But it has slipped into a relationship neither of use wanted. More into the vanilla workd and away from the D/s dynamics we both wanted, and I sthink we both still want.
She does want to be controlled again if it's going to be consistent and ongoing. I agree that we will be having an in depth conversation about the future of this relationship very shortly.




SumterDom -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/30/2006 11:07:34 PM)

starshineowned,
I do like your ideas. It would create a good re-starting point. I have allowed her to regain much control in her life and she has become accustomed to it again.
Thanks




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