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Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 11:24:40 AM   
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I've been meeting prospective bdsm partners via the internet, and before that via print classified ads for well over 20 years.  Back in the day, you wrote a few lines about who you were and what you were looking for and had a box number on your ad for replies.  Someone contacted you or vice versa, you spoke on the phone once or twice, then you met for dinner or a drink, and if it went well, you saw them again.  Very simple and quick, and the most you had to lose was a few hours of your time.

Now?  I was surfing female submissive ads on here yesterday, and I came across a woman who had 27 (yes I counted them) qualifications that a prospective dominant must meet in order for her to be interested.  Now I'm the first one to tell people not to settle for less than they want and need, but I have 7 or 8 must have's, and consider myself quite picky.  In the past 7 years that I have been actively seeking an LTR, I have yet to find anyone who met my standards (it's the trustworthy and able to trust that seems to trip them all up).

So my question for everyone is, are we over screening?  The internet gives us all the time and tools to question, disect and anylyze anyone before making any sort of decision, but it also removes all nuance, charm, charisma and chemistry.  Is there anyone who has been doing this for any length of time who hasn't found someone who seemed perfect on line, only to meet them and go "blech".  I wonder how many times the opposite might be true, but of course we never meet them to find out. Add in the on line liars and the game players who have everyone suspiscious of everyone else, and it's a miracle anyone ever meets anyone at all.

Now the safety nazis can all tune out, because I've heard it all before, but any adult who doesn't know how to arrange a safe public meeting these days isn't firing on all cylinders.  Is writing lengthy profiles with 27 prequalification demands, followed by days weeks or months of online communication really a better investment of our time and energy than exchanging an e-mail or two, a phone call or two, then meeting?  And what's more important, is it a more effective for finding suitable matches?
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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 11:30:54 AM   
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The list of qualifications on the profile you describe certainly sounds excessive and unrealistic to me.  More than anything, it tells me this person isn't very flexible, and thus isn't someone I'd likely want to be with anyway.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 11:37:16 AM   
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In this age of instant gratification and microwave mentality the accepted norm seems to have shifted from the old school ways.

Isn't there anything faster than a microwave???


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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 11:37:54 AM   
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Yeah it kind of gets me stumped as well.  I am not really looking so to speak but I get a lot of email from woman some of which are off the wall unbelievable. One thing I have noticed is this sludge of subs that have adds posted and have been looking for a dom for a couple years.  Usually I ask these woman if they have had any success and the usual answer is no that they have only met with a couple of prospects. Once I get to know some of these woman I am often shocked by the list or lack of list of qualifications... it usually flys in both directions so in some ways I understand this fictional (true sub) that people complain about in respects to me seeing subs that are actually passive doms or compleatly vanilla and cant find anything on the vanilla sites. So for me I think that some subs are actually doms but in a passive way and those I stay away from. 

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 11:41:13 AM   
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Maybe its a good thing things have changed. With the rate of divorces and unhappy endings these days, maybe people are finally wising up and realising "chemistry" isn't everything its cracked up to be and a successful relationship is going to rely on a lot more factors. Maybe people are trying to prevent themselves from setting themselves up for grief and that can't be a bad thing hey...making knowledgeable choices in life has to be a good thing..

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 11:44:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

In this age of instant gratification and microwave mentality the accepted norm seems to have shifted from the old school ways.

Isn't there anything faster than a microwave???


Ross


I understand what you are saying, but as someone who has lived through both eras, the old way certainly worked better for me.  In the pre internet days I was not looking for an LTR as I am now, so that may have had something to do with it as well.  The long and the short of it is, that I learn more meaningful infoirmation in 30 mins of real time than I do in 30 hours of on line time, so why is everyone seemingly so dead set on avoiding real life for as long as possible?  Relationships are still a good part chemistry, and chemistry does not come through the internet.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 11:46:26 AM   
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Maybe its a good thing things have changed. With the rate of divorces and unhappy endings these days, maybe people are finally wising up and realising "chemistry" isn't everything its cracked up to be and a successful relationship is going to rely on a lot more factors. Maybe people are trying to prevent themselves from setting themselves up for grief and that can't be a bad thing hey...making knowledgeable choices in life has to be a good thing..


That makes perfect sense.... except  Explain to me why almost all bdsm relarionships are so short and generally end badly?  How many bdsm couples do you know who have been together 5 years?  10?  If this new way was producing strong healthy relationships, I'd say you were right, but it aint happening.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 11:46:29 AM   
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She must be 20.  Wait till she's 40.  LOL.

Seriously though, while Jali makes great points, I have a good friend who at 45 cries over never being married and having kids.  Yet in the 15 years I have known her, no one could possibly have met all of her "qualifications."  Adapting, evolving and compromising are musts in any relationship. Some people have such thick filters from the get-go that no one ever gets through. 

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 11:54:33 AM   
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quote:

So my question for everyone is, are we over screening?
"We" is a way to never get an answer. Are you over-screening can only be answered by you and your results.
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Is writing lengthy profiles with 27 qualification demands, followed by days weeks or months of online communication really a better investment of our time and energy than exchanging an e-mail or two, a phone call or two, then meeting? 
If your goal is not to meet anyone than people who meet the 27 pre-qualifications then having them is a good screening method, and a good investment of time/energy; just as your 7 pre-qualifications. Debating the number is the same as the usually arguments I get pointed to me regarding the criteria I had when I was searching limiting the time period to two weeks. Leading to...
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And what's more important, is it a more effective for finding suitable matches?
Only opinion based upon experience that I consider "successful" based upon the result - meeting beth.

I only had one "pre-qualification"; willingness to meet in person. I had no desire to establish a "on-line" romance/relationship; no desire to be the fulfillment of a cuckold husband's fantasy. Meeting was my goal for every contact I imitated or was initiated by someone contacting me. Once introduction were over and got beyond the first or second exchange of email, discussion involved arranging a time/place to see each other. NOT play - not scene; a simple coffee, lunch, dinner, or park bench meeting to talk and determine the profile represented the person accurately. To that end, I disclosed everything to accomplish the goal with the safety of myself and the person contacted. I took the initiative of disclosing all my phone numbers, business/personal, address, and a link to my business website where they could confirm my name and see a picture confirming my identity and that the picture I had sent them wasn't dated or showed the way I "used to, or want to look" 50 pounds and 5 years ago.

I told everyone, that my limit was waiting two weeks to arrange a meeting. If I couldn't make them comfortable with me or we discovered a that we weren't compatible in that time, I moved on.

"Qualifications", limits, experience, and all the other details would come up if/when we met. I didn't feel it necessary or critical that I "qualified" anyone based on what they could tell me in an email, or discuss with me by phone. I also knew that I "don't do phone". A phone to me is identified with business. My goal with the phone is to get off of it ASAP. I KNOW I convey that on the phone if I'm speaking with anyone.

By keeping the goal simple - meeting, and limiting the time, I had a very active and productive search period. I don't consider those who wouldn't meet within two weeks to have lost out, any more than I think about losing out by holding them to that criteria. I enjoyed the process. I saw it as an adventure.

Of course the memory is jaded and shaded by how it ended, but if you want an opinion based upon successful result this is it. It's not the only way, or true way, or the generally accepted lifestyle way. It was the way that worked for me.

Edited to add:
Since "success" was brought up as a function of time; we've been together 4 years.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 12:01:33 PM   
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That makes perfect sense.... except  Explain to me why almost all bdsm relarionships are so short and generally end badly?  How many bdsm couples do you know who have been together 5 years?  10?  If this new way was producing strong healthy relationships, I'd say you were right, but it aint happening.


Well that's easy, cause its a new way, we have to wait another 10 years to see if this new way works *grin*....butI can say, its working well so far for Master and I. We are 3 and a half years down the track, 2 years married today and all is well, better than well, ultra fantastic.

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Explain to me why almost all bdsm relarionships are so short and generally end badly? 


Truthfully? I believe a lot of people do not know "how" to have a relationship, let alone sustain one...and that's just not within a BDSM relationship.

Regarding BDSM relationships themselves...a lot of the times, from my view, they are built on sexual desires and fantasies, even if those fantasies are of "control" or "authority"..but fantasies are not enough to sustain a relationship.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 12:18:12 PM   
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 For me, it all depends on the person and the 'feeling' I get from them.  I dont think 'qualifications' can replace my gut intuitions.

I talk to someone and can usually figure out within a week or two whether or not there is reason to continue the "getting to know you" process. If they're a liar, I'll know relatively quickely and I'll call them on it, before I move on.

Otherwise I will continue to talk with someone as long as they seem compatible.  I don't have a specific timeframe in which I will meet someone.  In the past, it's usually worked out to be a month or two of online chit-chat and phone conversations before we met, but I would meet someone sooner than that if the circumstances lined up and I felt secure that I was safe. 

Usually it's a meeting in public (and Ive never had a safecall).  I've also gone straight to someone's house on a first meet.  Another one that I met at a local restaurant for dinner, came back to my home afterwards for coffee.  I wouldn't recommend this as a general rule.  But I personally do this from time to time because I can just tell when its safe.  It has nothing to do with qualifications, how long we've spoken, who they've met before, where they live, what they do for a living etc etc.  Logic plays no part. My body just knows, I dont know how it knows, it just does, and I follow it.  Online, real life, wherever the connection takes place, I operate the same way.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 12:21:56 PM   
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quote:

Truthfully? I believe a lot of people do not know "how" to have a relationship, let alone sustain one...and that's just not within a BDSM relationship


i agree jali, and to me that is sad, because it is a skill set you are not born with it...so there fore if you follow the logic you should be able to teach it in schools....(however i dont know if down under is like this but here in the us, they are holding bake sales for kids to have gym class so i know its asking al lot.
 
TPE Owner...your profile seemed intense, but thats me,,,,some one who lived TPE but found it really sucked (for me)....i wish you all the best, though....

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 12:22:09 PM   
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I've been searching, and searching and searching for compatible BDSM play partners for years.  Although I appreciate the candor some put into there pre-qualifications, I also wonder what they are trully looking for.  If I stuck to my guns and pre-qualifications I would never have the wonderful vanilla wife that I have the priviledge to be married to.  She allows me to play in BDSM because it's not her thing.

Online profiles that list all of the pre-qualifications necessary for a return reply are good, but they should be real as well.  I've gotten responses from those whose profiles I would never have contacted because I wasn't "qualified".  What makes the difference? 

In a world of possers, wannabe's, fakes etc.  there is no real answer I guess, but it would be nice if everyone had realistic expectations, before limiting themselves.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 12:22:58 PM   
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Sir Discipline,

a thunder bolt is faster than a microwave!

*chuckles*

good hunting!  It takes forever to find one that may be suitable, and even then, you can end up on a wasted journey.  Or do you find the delicate moments shared and store them away which ignites the flame to keep on keeping on?



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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 12:28:43 PM   
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Everyone is picky...but the
biggest problem with the internet and dating ...is that you often match with people who seem so great ---except they're 1000 miles away

--sure the phone sex is good or the internet chat love fulfills your neurochemical desire for connection--but when push comes to shove...it goes no where...

...you gotta keep it local--or someones got to be willing to pick up and move...for the mere chance of love.

I probably would of liked the old version of dating--more effcient less time wasted.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 12:39:18 PM   
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A belated thought:

Another thing to consider about the seeming abundance of "qualificiations" is that an online profile just begs to be written that way.  What else can anyone do except state what they are about, then state what theyre looking for?

When you meet someone on a job, or at the gym or in a bar or whatever, you have that immediate "sense" to follow.  But in online venues, you have to make that "list" of what you want, what you will or wont tolerate, what you like and dont like.  When it comes down to brass tacks, all of it means little,  when chemistry is present. See how quickely our qualifications shift when someone captivates us for that reason that we just cant put a finger on.  The mix of two personalities coming together changes what they each were as 'separates' of the whole anyway.  

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 12:39:35 PM   
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Well one thing I have adopted is to not have a list of absolute must-haves. No one on this planet is perfect. Instead I have my list of "preferences" and then when I am online, I will talk to anyone that wants to talk. If they happen to really capture my attention then I worry more about how they rank on my "list". I have met alot of wonderful people this way, no not all of them will end up in my bed or over my knee but I have met alot of lifestyle friends this way as well.

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 1:41:43 PM   
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I've been meeting prospective bdsm partners via the internet, and before that via print classified ads for well over 20 years.  Back in the day, you wrote a few lines about who you were and what you were looking for and had a box number on your ad for replies.  Someone contacted you or vice versa, you spoke on the phone once or twice, then you met for dinner or a drink, and if it went well, you saw them again.  Very simple and quick, and the most you had to lose was a few hours of your time.

Now?  I was surfing female submissive ads on here yesterday, and I came across a woman who had 27 (yes I counted them) qualifications that a prospective dominant must meet in order for her to be interested.  Now I'm the first one to tell people not to settle for less than they want and need, but I have 7 or 8 must have's, and consider myself quite picky.  In the past 7 years that I have been actively seeking an LTR, I have yet to find anyone who met my standards (it's the trustworthy and able to trust that seems to trip them all up).

So my question for everyone is, are we over screening?  The internet gives us all the time and tools to question, disect and anylyze anyone before making any sort of decision, but it also removes all nuance, charm, charisma and chemistry.  Is there anyone who has been doing this for any length of time who hasn't found someone who seemed perfect on line, only to meet them and go "blech".  I wonder how many times the opposite might be true, but of course we never meet them to find out. Add in the on line liars and the game players who have everyone suspiscious of everyone else, and it's a miracle anyone ever meets anyone at all.

Now the safety nazis can all tune out, because I've heard it all before, but any adult who doesn't know how to arrange a safe public meeting these days isn't firing on all cylinders.  Is writing lengthy profiles with 27 prequalification demands, followed by days weeks or months of online communication really a better investment of our time and energy than exchanging an e-mail or two, a phone call or two, then meeting?  And what's more important, is it a more effective for finding suitable matches?


I think the endless online emails and IM's are completely a waste of time.  It isn't until you meet in person that you will know if the chemistry is there to begin with.  You may find that the person you have been talking to has some strange odor you just can't handle or just leaves you cold when you look into their eyes.  I guess that is why I don't get the whole online relationship thing, or the long distance thing either.  I mean yeah, I met this great guy the past couple years at fetishcon down in Florida, and we have been chatting online since, but we met, there is a chemistry there, and a friendship if nothing else.  He I would consider continuing a conversation with, because we started with a in person meeting.  Plus neither one of us is asking for anything more then fun and laughter.  But the whole, painfully devoting yourself to someone you never met in person, just doesn't make sense to me.  Seems you may be passing up someone just around the corner, because you have put blinders on in devotion to an online relationship. 

I think the couple of emails, maybe a phone call, and then meeting, using good common sense precautions is the best way all around. 

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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 1:51:34 PM   
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A good respected Dom friend of mine says if we list every whim or romantic notion we have in a mate in these profiles we often paint ourselves into boxes.
Often when we find what we want it's not what we thought we wanted at all.
I, like you think it's best to mention the few must haves and then take it from there with each potential suitor.
It's hard to know what you need vs what you want.
Some of us just over clarify to death in hopes of finding a kindred spirit.
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RE: Too Picky???? - 12/28/2006 1:51:43 PM   
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The internet has opened up the world. We have many, many more people that we can contact. I don't think it's unreasonable to be more selective in the process. If it seems that what she wants is too excessinve, she's not the one for you.

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