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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/30/2006 10:53:41 PM

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i agree with you juliaoceania, i was limiting my definition of masochist i suppose. i guess i just couldn't fathom being able to endure all that pain if i wasn't able to process it or transform it within myself and end up enjoying it.

The sadists these slaves are with definately don't want that to happen for them either.

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/30/2006 11:15:57 PM

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"And then there are the women who liked to have their ass nicely tanned, enough to be red, bruised and have heat radiating off it."

Yes, that's why I used "most" as a qualifier. IN all the women you know into kink, how many like as real a spanking as you do versus the ones that love the pomp and grandeur of kink?

"why is what the women would classify as "severe" not, but what men would classify as "real" true? "

as you stated you are new to this. Look at a selecton of spanking porn featuring female subs vs. male. IN general the males ALWAYS take it harder and longer versus the "paddywhack" bullshit that the bulk of female stars "accept". This is also true of Sceners and Play People. Male spankers (versus "Doms or Tops or Masters") would look at a real spanking as I've described and a women looking at the same one would think (in general ) "hell no I ain;t taking that" but they'll take the mamby pamby crap in a scene or at a Party.

It's like "chick math" RE sexual partners in the nilla world - ask a woman how many sexual partners she's had and she generally rounds down the number, often excluding times where a bj and/or a hand job and nothing else was given. But it's still sex, that was still a partner even if an embarassing moment/mistake in high school, and it still applies and represents a difference in the manner men and women define "activities".

If you have never had marks that have stayed on your ass after 3 days from a GOOD spanking, my dear, you have never had a "severe" spanking by male standards, whereas most women I've known would say if they cried or kicked their legs it was severe.

it wasn't.

there ya go, Happy New Years' Eve.

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/30/2006 11:23:10 PM

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"Beat" is a word that carries a lot of stigma in the scene. Flog/bite/pinch/kick/slap/whip and such can get people all fuzzy and warm but the minute you say "beat" we get visions of abusive dumbasses and unhealthy relationships.

this is actually new to me, as it's not at all uncommon for me to beg for Him to beat me. literally, He'll say, "what do you want?" and i'll say, "i want You to beat me." and there's always the innate understanding for us that that means stop at the point that it's becoming psychologically damaging or physically damaging enough to put me in real danger, as there would be with the use of any other synonymous word in the same context ("switch" just doesn't have the same mid-romp ring to it that "beat" does to me, personally, although "whip" might :P). i didn't realize that this word carried such stigma for other people.

i think in this case the person in question is just referring to nonconsensual beatings, or those that push the healthy physical and psychological limits (and by healthy physical limits, i am speaking incredibly loosely here ;)). then again, it's entirely possible that she isn't into any sort of impact play at all.

i think it's important to leave things open to incredible interpretation when reading people's profiles. i would be very unhappy were i not with a "woman beater," but then again, i don't define "woman beater" as a man who gets off on abusing women nonconsensually.

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/30/2006 11:28:08 PM

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"And then there are the women who liked to have their ass nicely tanned, enough to be red, bruised and have heat radiating off it."

Yes, that's why I used "most" as a qualifier. IN all the women you know into kink, how many like as real a spanking as you do versus the ones that love the pomp and grandeur of kink?

"why is what the women would classify as "severe" not, but what men would classify as "real" true? "

as you stated you are new to this. Look at a selecton of spanking porn featuring female subs vs. male. IN general the males ALWAYS take it harder and longer versus the "paddywhack" bullshit that the bulk of female stars "accept". This is also true of Sceners and Play People. Male spankers (versus "Doms or Tops or Masters") would look at a real spanking as I've described and a women looking at the same one would think (in general ) "hell no I ain;t taking that" but they'll take the mamby pamby crap in a scene or at a Party.

It's like "chick math" RE sexual partners in the nilla world - ask a woman how many sexual partners she's had and she generally rounds down the number, often excluding times where a bj and/or a hand job and nothing else was given. But it's still sex, that was still a partner even if an embarassing moment/mistake in high school, and it still applies and represents a difference in the manner men and women define "activities".

If you have never had marks that have stayed on your ass after 3 days from a GOOD spanking, my dear, you have never had a "severe" spanking by male standards, whereas most women I've known would say if they cried or kicked their legs it was severe.

it wasn't.

there ya go, Happy New Years' Eve.

I would say you speak too confidently for both genders. My humble .02

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/30/2006 11:31:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: HatesParisHilton

"And then there are the women who liked to have their ass nicely tanned, enough to be red, bruised and have heat radiating off it."

Yes, that's why I used "most" as a qualifier. IN all the women you know into kink, how many like as real a spanking as you do versus the ones that love the pomp and grandeur of kink?

"why is what the women would classify as "severe" not, but what men would classify as "real" true? "

as you stated you are new to this. Look at a selecton of spanking porn featuring female subs vs. male. IN general the males ALWAYS take it harder and longer versus the "paddywhack" bullshit that the bulk of female stars "accept". This is also true of Sceners and Play People. Male spankers (versus "Doms or Tops or Masters") would look at a real spanking as I've described and a women looking at the same one would think (in general ) "hell no I ain;t taking that" but they'll take the mamby pamby crap in a scene or at a Party.

It's like "chick math" RE sexual partners in the nilla world - ask a woman how many sexual partners she's had and she generally rounds down the number, often excluding times where a bj and/or a hand job and nothing else was given. But it's still sex, that was still a partner even if an embarassing moment/mistake in high school, and it still applies and represents a difference in the manner men and women define "activities".

If you have never had marks that have stayed on your ass after 3 days from a GOOD spanking, my dear, you have never had a "severe" spanking by male standards, whereas most women I've known would say if they cried or kicked their legs it was severe.

it wasn't.

there ya go, Happy New Years' Eve.

that's funny; i wish my dominant would hit me hard enough to leave more marks, as i find marks quite enjoyable. he is less mark-friendly.

as aquaticsub said, i think you are being extremely cocky and overconfident to generalize so...but that's just me. i mean, i'm sure there's at least one or two female sadists out there who think a spanking ought to leave decent bruises for at least a week. get over yourself, really. :)

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/30/2006 11:33:10 PM

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"I would say you speak too confidently for both genders. My humble .02 "

and I'd say I gave my first consentual spanking when you were still in diapers and from your profile and pic you're a Historical Re Enactor and I've known tons of those so I understand your reply.

kink aside, genrational differences, despite all good intentions, will often have a hold on dialogue such as this one.

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/30/2006 11:35:40 PM

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"i'm sure there's at least one or two female sadists out there who think a spanking ought to leave decent bruises for at least a week. get over yourself, really. :) "

if I had been speaking of female sadists that would have been a fair point.

I wasn't.

I was speaking of women TAKING spankings, not the ones giving them. So I'll get overmyself if you promise to read the gist of my post before replying in such a fashion.

wink and smile right back atcha.

Happy New Year's.

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/30/2006 11:37:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: HatesParisHilton

"I would say you speak too confidently for both genders. My humble .02 "

and I'd say I gave my first consentual spanking when you were still in diapers and from your profile and pic you're a Historical Re Enactor and I've known tons of those so I understand your reply.

kink aside, genrational differences, despite all good intentions, will often have a hold on dialogue such as this one.

Last time I checked, politicians proved that age does not equal wisdom.

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/30/2006 11:46:21 PM

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Lat time I checked there's not been a 21 year old politician that had any true effect upon public perception of wisdom nor ever enacted any laws that engender or affect the public perception or "consumption" of wisdom.

But a lot walking around with ipods and blogs, though.
*wink*

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/30/2006 11:53:55 PM

hisannabelle

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perhaps you should create a bdsm forum for 35+ only, then. last i checked, age doesn't necessarily equal experience in the lifestyle. i have two and a half years experience as a 24/7 lifestyle submissive, whereas there are people who are over twice my age on this forum who are just starting out. however, if you're willing to base every post you make on your own ageism, by all means, have at it. just don't expect to be taken too seriously on an 18+ forum.

and i did read your posts. i'm also aware of at least a few people i personally know who don't think it's been a good spanking if it hasn't left bruises for a week...and they're female submissives to male dominants. it takes all kinds. :P my point is, you're generalizing, and if i have a huge pet peeve, it's generalizing.

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/30/2006 11:54:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: HatesParisHilton

Lat time I checked there's not been a 21 year old politician that had any true effect upon public perception of wisdom nor ever enacted any laws that engender or affect the public perception or "consumption" of wisdom.

But a lot walking around with ipods and blogs, though.
*wink*

That could have something to do with the fact that in order to be elected to the senate or house, one has to have worked for a certain amount of years to achieve a known status. There hasn't been a woman in the white house, that doesn't mean females are incapable of handling such responsibility. Age discrimination works both ways, you know. As Johnny Cash said "Help the voice of youth find what is true" because we are the ones who are going to be running the world soon. Acting like you automatically know everything because you are older doesn't exactly help anything now does it?

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/31/2006 12:02:34 AM

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"That could have something to do with the fact that in order to be elected to the senate or house, one has to have worked for a certain amount of years to achieve a known status. There hasn't been a woman in the white house, that doesn't mean females are incapable of handling such responsibility. Age discrimination works both ways, you know. As Johnny Cash said "Help the voice of youth find what is true" because we are the ones who are going to be running the world soon. Acting like you automatically know everything because you are older doesn't exactly help anything now does it? "

sorry to leave off the debate for a moment but I have to agree that the age limitations as you present them are wrong and frankly if someone like you was running for any office in any spot where my vote counted, on the basis of your posts, I'd vote for you first. ESPECIALLY over any "good ole boys" club. which has run your country and my own into the ground.

I don't know what you intend as a career but the world would be done a service if you choose politics. No sarcasm, just a compliment.

Or media, frankly. your POV would help inject honesty into the Viper Pit of Ratings.

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/31/2006 12:06:28 AM

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"if you're willing to base every post you make on your own ageism, by all means, have at it. just don't expect to be taken too seriously on an 18+ forum. "

I don't think I did. In fact in this thread and others I did not; some involved age, some did not.

But if you want to label them as "every post" I make, and exagerrate that much, and such is an example of whom I must worry about being taken seriously by, then I'm not worried about being taken seriously.

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/31/2006 12:08:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: HatesParisHilton

"That could have something to do with the fact that in order to be elected to the senate or house, one has to have worked for a certain amount of years to achieve a known status. There hasn't been a woman in the white house, that doesn't mean females are incapable of handling such responsibility. Age discrimination works both ways, you know. As Johnny Cash said "Help the voice of youth find what is true" because we are the ones who are going to be running the world soon. Acting like you automatically know everything because you are older doesn't exactly help anything now does it? "

sorry to leave off the debate for a moment but I have to agree that the age limitations as you present them are wrong and frankly if someone like you was running for any office in any spot where my vote counted, on the basis of your posts, I'd vote for you first. ESPECIALLY over any "good ole boys" club. which has run your country and my own into the ground.

I don't know what you intend as a career but the world would be done a service if you choose politics. No sarcasm, just a compliment.

Or media, frankly. your POV would help inject honesty into the Viper Pit of Ratings.

*blushes* Thank you very much. As of right now, I'm not sure what I want to do with my life. Go me for living the sterotypes I'm fighting against, huh? I have entertained politics as a career though I don't think I know enough about to actually enter it. We'll just have to see!

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/31/2006 12:16:10 AM

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"if you're willing to base every post you make on your own ageism, by all means, have at it. just don't expect to be taken too seriously on an 18+ forum. "

I don't think I did. In fact in this thread and others I did not; some involved age, some did not.

But if you want to label them as "every post" I make, and exagerrate that much, and such is an example of whom I must worry about being taken seriously by, then I'm not worried about being taken seriously.

good idea.

i try to not even take myself seriously, because i occasionally forget to reread my posts before posting when it's 3am and i'm exhausted. (getting caught up on the "every post you make" bit is a teensy weensy bit like missing the forest for the trees, though, i think.)

but it's a forum. i do my best to take nothing too seriously ;)

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/31/2006 4:27:47 AM

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If you have never had marks that have stayed on your ass after 3 days from a GOOD spanking, my dear, you have never had a "severe" spanking by male standards, whereas most women I've known would say if they cried or kicked their legs it was severe.

it wasn't.

there ya go, Happy New Years' Eve.

You know, I actually agree with you. Except for one thing. I generally focus on the person doing the spanking verses the person taking the spanking. In my head, the spanker is in control, not the other way around. When I view the tap tap rub rub stuff, my reaction is usually "wtf is he doing? Why doesn't he just SPANK her?!" I always wonder if the only reason he's not hitting her harder is because he's never taken her there. My focus generally isn't on who takes more, but on who gives more.

Bruises that stay for three days? Is that what constitutes a severe spanking from you? I'm afraid you'd be on my moderate list if the length of time bruises stick around is the yardstick by which you are measuring the severity of your spankings.

On my ass, three days is about as long as I can feel them when I sit down (I keep wishing it was longer, but for some reason, that's all I get.) Then, it takes about a week for the lighter ones to fade. Two weeks is how long my most favorite bruises take to go away. So yep...if we're comparing bruises like men compare dicks to see who's the "best,"... I'm afraid three days would be rather... um... lightweight, and I'm afraid, that as one of those people who unabashedly love the pomp and grandeur of my kink, I'd have to pass on all your mamby pamby crap - whether it took place at a party or in private.

Of course, your premise about the men being able to take more than the women is interesting. Given that the men I see are often being hit BY the women, it sure does give new meaning to that oft used phrase "you hit like a girl!" doesn't it?

juliet

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/31/2006 10:51:45 AM

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Yes, I've had marks that lasted longer than three days. Marks don't always tell the full story, though.
I think the thing that caught my attention most, though, was what measurement is used. If the two people involved believe that what happened was "real", who would I be to deny it, regardless of the sexes of the participants?

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/31/2006 10:57:30 AM

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After all logically speaking a sadist relies on the lack of pleasure their 'victim' takes from pain and humiliation.

Patently false.

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In your opinion but mine may differ.
Sense of humour was actually in play when i posted - i apologise for having one.

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/31/2006 10:58:40 AM

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After all logically speaking a sadist relies on the lack of pleasure their 'victim' takes from pain and humiliation.

WOW! Whose logic - and WHAT logic are you using? Cause my wonderful sadist absolutely refuses to play with people who merely endure what he hands out. He wants them there, actively participating, enthusiastically enjoying his sadistic ideas and oh yea...getting off on them ain't half bad either.

And if what I am is a "victim," well, color me victimized!!!

By the way, it occurs to me, can someone actually willingly and enthusiastically BE a victim? And does "omg, that hurts so good! PLEASE PLEASE Sir, don't stop!!" constitute a victim's cries?

Just wondering,,,

logically speaking and all...

juliet

Again my apologies for having a sense of humour - i will try to have it removed.

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RE: huh... women beaters..disgusting# - 12/31/2006 10:59:36 AM

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