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ORIGINAL: MLskajira

wow
lets say that there is no safe word and this is not the early stages of the relationship and nothing like this has happened before.
lets suppose that He has been stressed out by work and family duties for a while and it just starts comming out.
does the slave have the right, either legally or lifestyle-wise, too inform Him that she will involve outside sources if He does not stop when she truely fears damage?



she is more experianced than He, by quite a few years, although He is older.
T/they have known each other for almost 3 years and He has owned her for 2.
T/they have never had a safe word.
in the beginning aftercare was minimal, but at the time of the incident, it was top-notch.
in the entire relationship, this is the only occurence. it never happened before and hasnt happened since.
was it maybe the fact that she told Him she would call the cops?
or was it because she was so distressed that she would say something like that?



communicating was listed as an option. she asked if she should tough it out and discuss it with Him later.
lets say the blows brought blood and that He chased her around the room hitting her with an implement anywhere He could reach. her head, arms, shoulders, legs, and face.
lets say that He was so intent that He didnt appear to hear her screaming at Him to stop until she said the "c" word.

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

    
 that's just it...a slave has no "final control", that is something that comes with the territory of being property. generally, a slave has no right to say "no" or "stop" to the one who owns them. and certainly no right to inform outside authorities. the details are still a little skimpy for me to really comment much, but from what has been explained of the situation, if it were me, i would simply continue to do my best to be a good, obedient slave, providing a place of comfort and solace and release from the stresses of his life, and hope that "this too, will pass."

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ORIGINAL: cjenny






I don't think I can wrap my head around the idea of someone being in fear for their life/well being and not being able to change that. If there has been discussion beforehand as said by the OP then there is a reasonable expectation of safety no?
Not an instance of not wanting to continue a scene but an instance where the Master seems to be out of control.

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

   
that's just it...a slave has no "final control", that is something that comes with the territory of being property. generally, a slave has no right to say "no" or "stop" to the one who owns them. and certainly no right to inform outside authorities. the details are still a little skimpy for me to really comment much, but from what has been explained of the situation, if it were me, i would simply continue to do my best to be a good, obedient slave, providing a place of comfort and solace and release from the stresses of his life, and hope that "this too, will pass."

  The OP implies that this is a bit more than something to wait out and hope will pass.


*stamped IMO

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ORIGINAL: cjenny

Daddysprop247


So... even though 'the option of communication'  has been discussed and agreed upon it doesn't matter?
That is the crux of the matter for me, that it had already been agreed upon by the Master.
I understand not having the option, but the Master HAD given her an option.
I feel like that would mean that anything the Master said could be a lie and trust broken BECAUSE of the pre-agreement.

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ORIGINAL: erebus
Yeah, I'm fully aware of the meaning of the word 'potential'.  I still stand by my feeling that Albatross was dissing an entire gender. 

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For those "Masters" who believe they have total and complete to do with their slaves as they will - that is hogwash, too. These people have lost all sense of reality, as far as I am concerned. Master/slave relationships are about play; sometimes very heavy play, but play none the less. If anyone has ANY doubt, just ask any legally qualified person. Real slavery is a crime.

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ORIGINAL: MLskajira

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Distress does not equal revoking consent.

I am glad you said this.  I have been in distress before while in Master's usage.  He put me there intentionally as part of a learning process.  I did not want to be there, but did not ask him to stop, either.  He kept me there until he deemed it necessary to pull me out.

The result was phenomenal, and about 6 months later something happened in my life that was absolutely more than I could bear (having nothing to do with my Master at the time) - or so I thought.  When I thought I would crumble, I drew upon that time of distress and realized my incredible strength at going through it....and not only did I not crumble but I faced what was happening dead-on.

In some relationship dynamics, the Master really does know what the slave needs, more than she does.

As for the OP, I'm not sure why simply communicating with her Master wasn't listed as an option.  There is a lot of room for speculation in your hypothetical.  Just how hard were the blows?  I receive  blows that I think are too hard but that are not damaging at all - I'm just a pain wimp.  If I think I am actually in danger, my reaction to him changes in that I shriek and panic (like once when I thought my ankle was breaking).  If going into a "scene" with him I am afraid of something, he will absolutely know that fear before he starts on me.

However, in my dynamic, I do not have the option of stopping a session.  I do have the option of communicating to him during the session however, and he decides from there.  If it got to the point where I considered calling the police on him and/or threatened to, my CM name would probably have to change to "unownedgirlie." 

communicating was listed as an option. she asked if she should tough it out and discuss it with Him later.
lets say the blows brought blood and that He chased her around the room hitting her with an implement anywhere He could reach. her head, arms, shoulders, legs, and face.
lets say that He was so intent that He didnt appear to hear her screaming at Him to stop until she said the "c" word.

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ORIGINAL: MLskajira

this girl does not understand the attatude of some of the posters.
this girl WAS used as a genuine slave for many years. she TRUELY had no rights, they COULD have killed her at any point, on a whim.
this girl would NEVER willingly put herself back into the same type of situation.
but she guesses one would have had to survive it to really understand the lack of information that is behind those statements.
and edana, this girl is so glad you said that. many of us are not doing this on-line or part time but every day, all day long.

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ORIGINAL: erebus

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Anyone is POTENTIALLY abusive. 

I have to question if perhaps you are reading a different dictionary definition of the word POTENTIAL?
 
You do notice that this is what she said?

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ORIGINAL: SirDominic
Master/slave relationships are about play; sometimes very heavy play, but play none the less. If anyone has ANY doubt, just ask any legally qualified person. Real slavery is a crime.

In this lifestyle, we do fantasy slavery. To my mind, any sub who allows themselves to be put in a position where they give up all control, to the point that they believe they must take any punishment no matter how serious, has real head problems.

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ORIGINAL: MLskajira

ownedgirlie,
to see how people think, and it worked.
and just because this girl expresses herself in pretty much the same way you did, doesnt mean she is critisizing anyone. were you?
she was only saying what she has seen first hand.

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this girl knows not many have seen the same things she has and been able to speak of it, so she was trying NOT to citicize anyone.

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: MLskajira

ownedgirlie,
to see how people think, and it worked.
and just because this girl expresses herself in pretty much the same way you did, doesnt mean she is critisizing anyone. were you?
she was only saying what she has seen first hand.

No, but then I did not make assumptions as to "part time" nor did I decide who has "truly" experienced such things and who has not. Nor did I mention anything about "lack of information" about other people's posts.  So no, we did not express ourselves the same.

Many slaves here have no rights - TRULY.  Many here could be killed on a whim.

  if that is true, then the autorities need to be called immediately!
genuine slavery is NOT consensual but something that is forced on another human. this girl makes this statement based on her own, personal experiance.
 she is not saying anything about being ""truely" experianced" in the lifestlye, but the reality is that most who have been in the shackles of people who really do traffick in human flesh, are not common, either because they are dead, refused access to any outside influence or just too damn scared to speak out.
and those who are not "part-time" need not pay any attention to the statement as it does not apply to them, bubt there are quite a few who it does apply to.

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this girl knows not many have seen the same things she has and been able to speak of it, so she was trying NOT to citicize anyone.

This is another assumption.  It may be accurate, it may be inaccurate.  But some of us answered your question based on our own personal information.  My own response was challenged as though what I may have gone through could not possibly be as hard - yet I did not mention what I went through.  So I found your assumption and challenge a little insulting.

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ORIGINAL: edana

By Leonidas, logged in as his slave, again.

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For those "Masters" who believe they have total and complete to do with their slaves as they will - that is hogwash, too. These people have lost all sense of reality, as far as I am concerned. Master/slave relationships are about play; sometimes very heavy play, but play none the less. If anyone has ANY doubt, just ask any legally qualified person. Real slavery is a crime.

It is so funny.  We had this debate over a decade ago on the old ASB, and I guess it still goes on, or people who weren't party to those debates just keep stirring the same damn pot.  Some people don't play at this.  There are people who have completely surrendered their autonomy in return for their owner accepting responsibility for their well-being and the outcomes in their lives.  We call them slaves.  No, they have not lost all sense of reality, they just live a reality that you do not.  Legality has nothing to do with consensual (though absolutely real) enslavement.  Legality only comes into play if someone decides that they don't want to be a slave anymore. 

You don't have to like it.  You don't have to do it.  If play is the alpha and omega for you, keep right on playing.  Just try to muster up maybe just a little bit of respect for those for whom it isn't, if you can.

Be well.