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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/19/2007 8:02:09 AM   
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I have no idea if I have ADD but in reading what others have said, it wouldn't surprise me. 

Nobody here is perfect, I sure as hell ain't!  There ARE things that having your issues would make difficult, dealing with a submissive who needs micromanaging would drive you nuts, but it does to me too. 

As for "security" and having a job etc. if you were marrying the girl it might be a real issue but until you get to that point, don't stress about it. 

Glad to see you going to therapy and taking your meds, now where is that chicken?

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/19/2007 9:19:44 AM   
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LotusSong, I think we are on the same page.

I'm not saying he could put someone in physical danger.
More like, emotional danger.
If one has trouble keeping employed, keeping a relationship, (IMHO) one should stay away from someone that needs stability.
The subs I've met need someone that is consistent, steady, and self confident.
I'd hate to see a sub that is dependent on a Master that has, for whatever reason, lost interest and walks away.

I guess the reason I'm so strict with my point of view on this matter, is because I'm looking at it from a 24/7 D/s M/s relationship state of mind.
I guess it could work if he was Master of the bedroom only.

Please don't take my words as harsh or cold, I am only stating my opinion.



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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/19/2007 9:28:31 AM   
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I just recomend they stay away from people who think they have halos, they tend to be the ones who really end up doing the worst emotional damage.  At least that is my experience based on running groups, playspaces, and being involved in large metropolitian BDSM scenes.

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/19/2007 9:54:24 AM   
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I agree.


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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/19/2007 11:06:40 AM   
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By the way, I never claimed to have a halo, only an opinion.


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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/19/2007 11:27:10 AM   
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M. Glitch-
 
That's a joke, son...
 
(take another look at your profile pic)
 
Welcome aboard.
 
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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/19/2007 11:31:02 AM   
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"That's a joke, son..."
I might believe that if simplymichael hadn't e-mailed me saying I was the idiot he was talking about.

"Welcome aboard."
Thanks!

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/19/2007 11:52:39 AM   
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I was attempting to save you from some embarrassment, seems it didn't work.

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/19/2007 12:18:03 PM   
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I'm not embarrassed that you feel my opinion is not up to your standards.

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/19/2007 2:08:59 PM   
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I have ADHD as well. People like to play with me because they don't get bored heh heh.
Make the most of your abilities and ask for help when needed. I actually appointed a friend as appointment rememberer, makes my life so much easier.

LS

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/20/2007 1:15:26 PM   
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I came back to review the postings in this thread and felt compelled to respond.

LaTigresse:

It's wonderful that you've been able to manage it. And I agree, there isn't any one way to treat ADHD. Back then, ADHD was relatively unknown and under a great deal of debate, even in the DVM. As a child I was diagnosed as hyperkenitic, placed in special ed, medicated (sparsely) and an attempt was made to educate me. Looking back, I learned that my mother was also ADHD, and since dad was on the road working most of the time, I rarely had much support. Add to that, my medications were rather poorly managed. If I was dosed every 3 hours or so, I probably would have done very much better in spite of the poor support at home. If mother had been treated too, life probably would have turned out very much differently, especially for the rest of my brothers. 30 years later, I have to undo all that, along with the 'gerry-rigged' coping skills I learned along the way that is, frankly, not working for me. It's wonderful to hear that you've learned coping skills, and had the support to take advantage of your gifts.

ExSteelAgain:

Doctors and professionals are scientists. They like clear boundries and specific explanations. I don't think ADD/ADHD is debatable, I think the diagnosis has BEEN debated vigorously. It's difficult to get two doctors to agree on symptoms because the symptoms tend to overlap with other disorders. Considering how complex the brain is, and the neurochemical interactions going on, the rest of the body seems like so much paper mache` and chicken wire, and considering that the brain is the 'seat' of our sense of self, it's frightening to even adress it. Part of that fear stems from not being able to examine it directly like the heart, liver, or a broken bone while it is functioning. We are forced, for the most part, to observe the brain indirectly, via behavioral observation, and considering that psychology is a science of theory, rather than fact, it is a frustrating tool indeed to employ. The best we can do is say, "The odds are that it might be this."

In terms of the idea that we over medicate, I agree. If I'm depressed from situational stress, I don't feel I need an anti-depressant, simply because I'm SUPPOSED to be depressed. I don't need a pill for that. I'll definately need a medication if things are going well and I'm down in the dumps and I can't explain it, or if things are bad and I'm way too optimistic. :)

I should note that 'hyperactivity' is a misnomer in the eyes of the layman, and is often misunderstood. From a neurologist's point of view, it's not an outward behavior, but a disorder in an area of the brain. An area of the brain is considered 'hyperactive' if it's overactive compared to normal function. 'Hypoactivity' is also diagnosed if an area of the brain us underactive compared to norma function. However, using both hyper and hypo active tends to confuse most people. In adressing ADHD, some areas of the brain are overactive while others are underactive and still others are functioning normally during different activities. That's were a diagnostitian starts to scratch his head and get's frustrated. He's coping with a vacum in terms of information. While we are mapping the brain structure and identifying what structures influence what behaviors and activities, we are only just getting started. What we have learned is that if we 'grease' up certain areas that are overactive, and stimulate areas that are underactive, we can help bring things up to what might be considered productive norms. We have quite a few drugs that target specifc areas of the brain, and some that affect all of the brain, but only certain chemical functions. Those of us that cope with psychriatric disorders, have to treat ourselves, experimenting with drugs with a doctor along side providing knowledge and support. We often do research on what drugs have what kind of effect, and ask our doctor to prescribe to us a working supply so that we can work as our own apothocary. Now, that doesn't mean we all build up our own private pharmacy, some just need small doses of very few drugs, while others need a large array of medications and suppliments.

fawne:

Thanks fawne! Good girl for that link! ADD/ADHD does has advantages, however, not everyone with the disorder has the same advantages. Just like individuals, we excell and do poorly at different things.

goodpet:

For me it's "I'm the mast....OOOOHHH! Shiny!"

MasterGlitch:

I'm sorry, but you're way off base. ADD/ADHD people suffer socially, and it translates to financial problems. They demonstrate a neurological lack of self control in terms of impulsivity. It's not severe, but it's enough to cause problems at work, in relationships and the social environment. I'm a textbook example of that. I often acted out impulsively throughout my school years, angry that no one would see things the way I do. Kids often pushed my buttons for amusement. Later on when I joined the work force, I often got into arguments with coworkers, failed to complete tasks, and frankly aggrivated my employers. I often felt that life was unfair and felt that everyone was amoral. My career and income spiraled into the ground. I'm VERY good at what I do, but in terms of social skills, I sucked, big time. I have almost NO friends (two at last count). Over the years, I've lost my extrovert qualities and became introverted, compounding the problem. Most people don't understand that good social skills are more important than hard skills. People with solid social skills accomplish more, earn better salaries and often have better relationships than those with poor social skills. Top that off with difficulties in education, and you've got a great receipe for failure. Granted, ADHD is a handful of letters, but it has a significant impact on a person's life, and yes, even survival. I have a disability, I want it to be recognised so I can get some kind of accomodation and understanding. I don't want sympathy or pity, just acknowlegement of both my weaknesses and strengths.

You should take time to be better informed before commenting. People with ADD/ADHD have exceptionally developed empathy towards others. It some cases, it's a handicap all by itself, we stick to a relationship LONG after they should have left. We have an overdeveloped desire to help and nurture. We almost experience physical pain when we discover or realise we have done or said something to harm another, physically or emotionally, (especially, in this lifestyle, without intent or consent). To put it simply we tend to be devestated. I cannot believe that any dom that has a sub dependant on them would just walk away due to lost interest without first attempting to adress the dependancy issues. Further, I would most likely believe that such a dom would adress such a thing up front, in the event he must leave suddenly for whatever reason.

People, especially doms, with ADD/ADHD are not as distractable as you seem to imply. We don't wander around constantly, following the next shiny thing that grabs our attention. We just simply have difficulties in staying on task, or moving on to the next task, or staying organized, or struggle with impulsivity. We are highly capable of providing stability, more than most, we just have trouble with the tasks involved that provide that stability.

Please, read up on ADD/ADHD, especially for adults. You've expressed some misconceptions that you should adress.

LotusSong:

I'm dissapointed. "Master, master thyself" is circular logic. It ranks right up there with self-help programs that tell you what you should do, but doesn't provide details on the how. Getting one's ducks in a row is all well and good, but if you don't know when there are enough ducks lined up, you don't know when to declare victory and move on, let alone know how they should be lined up. The best advice I often give to 'new' doms is this: Be observant, trust your empathy and don't be afraid to ask for help. Insofar as my self assesment as a dom? Of course I wouldn't want to be dominated. People have tried to dominate me all my life and I hate it, but I love to be the dominant, it feels as natural as breathing to me. However, I have the intelligence to dominate with empathy and wisdom and understand that there is no set formula to follow. I also understand based on my life experience that with power comes responsibility.

Everyone:

I'd like to offer my thanks to everyone that has given me encouragement and support. It means a lot to me. It's also given me perspectives that I haven't considered, and it's also given me ideas as well.

This discussion has also pointed out another hurdle that I must try to learn to navigate. Ignorance about ADD/ADHD. People that post in regards to topics tend to do so because they have some knowlege or experience regarding it and have something to offer. Those that don't tend to just read about it and not bother posting. It illuminates the problem of what to do about jobs, relationships and family. Most with ADD/ADHD need some kind of accomodation in order to do well, on the job or in a relationship, the trick is to ask for that accomodation without making it seem like a burden on others. I HATE asking for help simply because I'm concerned about the burden it my place on some one. But, I also do understand that it's a neccessary thing.

Not an easy thing to do...

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/20/2007 4:00:55 PM   
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Scott, thanks for your intelligent, thorough reply, especially the part directed to my comments. One thing I believe, is that someone with your intelligence and dedication to solving the problem is going to find the solution. Hang in there and look for the positives about the condition always. Good luck.

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/24/2007 6:23:03 PM   
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I know this is kind of 'bumping' the thread, but I just wanted everyone to know that I've considered everything carefully, including the supportive emails, and finally updated my profile.

Crossing my fingers now.

<chuckle>


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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/24/2007 9:11:17 PM   
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I have to say that "if you have ADHD" you hyperfocus quite well, based on your writing.  If that is the case than you'll hyperfocus with a bottom or a submissive.

In the book: Driven to Distraction this is written:

"The impact of ADD upon sexuality is poorly understood.  However we have seen so many people in our practice, both men and women, who complain of either an inability to pay attention to sex well enough to enjoy it, or the opposite: a hyperfocused hypersexuality.

Those who appear hypersexual may turn to sex as a form of intense stimulation to help them focus.  Many adults with ADD are drawn to high-stimulus situations as a means of alleviating boredom or clearing their mind of distraction.  Some get involved in physically dangerous activities such as racecar driving, vertical skiing, or bungee jumping or they get involved in risky activities such as gambling or dangerous romances.  They do these things as a means of focusing themselves; they focus around the high stimulation.  For some adults with ADD, sex acts as a kind of stimulating medicine, and they use it to find not only the pleasure of orgasm but the pleasure of being focused."

In short a dominant with ADD can hyperfocus, and may often derive much pleasure in maximizing the experience for the submissive.

Yet there is an element of something else in your posts that I find curious.  ADD/ADHD often have trouble with social cueing and confrontational issues.  You mention that you are having an employment crisis.  You write elegantly, intelligently and from a highly focused perspective.  Your writing says nothing of a self-esteem issue.  It sounds to me that you are quite assured related to your ego and your intelligence. 

Why do I say "if?" I do because if your childhood was difficult how did you get to the point where you write so elegantly?  I'm not saying that you aren't ADHD but there seems something rather amiss here.

In your profile you state: "I'll also make this clear. It's difficult for me to initiate the initial contact."  Uh... hmmm...it isn't hard for you to initiate contact, nor maintain it here based upon what I see.  So what's up?

You talk about the childhood hyperkinetic diagnosis and yet that diagnosis uses dextroamphetamine and methylphenidate as primary medications the same as you'd take now.  If you are ADHD most likely they would help you focus, if that is the problem, but I do not see it.

I find much of your 2/20 post oddly arrogant and confrontive:

"I'm sorry, but you're way off base."

"You should take time to be better informed before commenting."

"I'm disappointed. "Master, master thyself" is circular logic. It ranks right up there with self-help programs that tell you what you should do, but doesn't provide details on the how."

Then you say to us as though this is a lecture to the horribly ignorant population here at collarme.com:

"This discussion has also pointed out another hurdle that I must try to learn to navigate. Ignorance about ADD/ADHD."

"Please, read up on ADD/ADHD, especially for adults. You've expressed some misconceptions that you should address."

What I seem to perceive here is that you play games.  Whether or not this is related to ADHD is something that I don't know.  Whether this is intentional or non-intentional I don't know.  But I suspect that this very scenario is why you have no friends.

You write:

"I'm VERY good at what I do, but in terms of social skills, I sucked, big time. I have almost NO friends (two at last count). Over the years, I've lost my extrovert qualities and became introverted."  Well you don't sound introverted here.  Rather you sound quite self-assured and extroverted.  So what's up?

I suggest that any problem that you might have is only obliquely related to the ADHD, for I do not see any issue around focusing and I suspect that the real problem is the push/pull of a sort of "I'm no good;" but "I'm the best," issue that I perceive here.  If you have this sort of problem with the social world, then yes, you are likely to have problems with a dom/sub relationship, in fact you will likely have problems in any relationships dom/sub or not.  Learning to work with the social and business world is no different than learning to work with relationships.

I highly recommend the book Driven to Distraction.  You can buy it for a few bucks on Half.com.  I suggest that you find a Certified Social Worker and work on understanding why you don't survive well socially.  A lot of it is realizing that the way you see things, and the way the rest of the world does do not coincide.  This may irk you as you see things very differently than others—and at the same time know that you are right.  Also I suggest that you try taking the Briggs-Meyers personality test.  You may well be a General or Executive personality style.  If so reading about how that style works may give you extremely valuable insight as to why you are often not in synch with the rest of the world.  This can give you insight to the way you need to deal with other personality types so that they don't feel criticized and confronted in everyday interactions.  For if they do, quite simply they won't be your friends.

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 2/24/2007 10:57:33 PM   
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Hmm, plenty of good points, so I'll sort through them...

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ORIGINAL: NightWindWhisper
Why do I say "if?" I do because if your childhood was difficult how did you get to the point where you write so elegantly?  I'm not saying that you aren't ADHD but there seems something rather amiss here.


I'm not certain, but I can put forward a theory that I spent quite a bit of time alone growing up. I spent a lot of time reading sci-fi novels, and not much TV. I was informed in high school that my vocabulary level was off the charts. The truth is, just about everything in school bored me to near tears. I could do the work, I just wasn't able to take the time to do it. I was quite distract-able. Additionally, I can write like this simply because I've spent so much time on line, in forums, or in chat or in the news groups. I often joke that my brain is directly connected to my fingers. I just think and it's put up on the screen. Additionally, a few of my past jobs had me rubbing elbows with leading scientists and professionals in the country. I was kind of forced to communicate with them, and with help with a technical editor, I was able to improve my writing skill considerably. Also, like I have with my diabetes, I took pains to learn as much as I could about ADHD. I was motivated to know exactly what it is, how it's diagnosed and how it's treated. I looked at it, both the diabetes and the ADHD as a technical issue, rather than an emotional issue. It helps.

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In your profile you state: "I'll also make this clear. It's difficult for me to initiate the initial contact."  Uh... hmmm...it isn't hard for you to initiate contact, nor maintain it here based upon what I see.  So what's up?


One on one contact with some one is quite different from a forum post to me. One theory I can offer is that rejection in the forums is less of a concern than it is with a personal direct contact on line. It's the same for me in physical social environments. It doesn't mean I don't try, it just means that my anxieties get really wound up due to past experiences growing up in social venues. Try to remember, teens aren't exactly the paragons of civilization that we might like to think. What happens to us in those years and the early twenties shape who we are for the rest of our lives.

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You talk about the childhood hyperkinetic diagnosis and yet that diagnosis uses dextroamphetamine and methylphenidate as primary medications the same as you'd take now.  If you are ADHD most likely they would help you focus, if that is the problem, but I do not see it.


Probably because I have been taking methylphenidate for about two months now. Additionally, the body provides other stimulants during times of emotional excitement, such as anger, fear, arousal, etc. You don't see it simply because you're not part of my regular social circle, small as it is, or my work environment. Especially since before I was taking the medication. Additionally, many of the behaviors learned before the meds are taken will still be there, and will require behavioral therapy to unravel.

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I find much of your 2/20 post oddly arrogant and confrontive:

"I'm sorry, but you're way off base."

"You should take time to be better informed before commenting."

"I'm disappointed. "Master, master thyself" is circular logic. It ranks right up there with self-help programs that tell you what you should do, but doesn't provide details on the how."


For those individuals that I was responding to, in those particular instances, one was certainly guessing and not well informed about the disorder. Better to point it out up front. There were plenty of others that commented that certainly better informed about it. The second one, if must rehash, stated a truism that should have died the first time it was coined, for exactly the reasons that I've stated. The truism itself is arrogant beyond tolerance.

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Then you say to us as though this is a lecture to the horribly ignorant population here at collarme.com:

"This discussion has also pointed out another hurdle that I must try to learn to navigate. Ignorance about ADD/ADHD."

"Please, read up on ADD/ADHD, especially for adults. You've expressed some misconceptions that you should address."


Hmmm, you're a little out of sequence there, the first quote was in closing, the second was directed to some one specifically, and both do address the ignorance. Misinformation spreads and becomes difficult to dislodge because ignorant people, in an effort to act as if they are indeed not, comment on things they barely understand. I would rather nip things like that in the bud wherever possible.

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What I seem to perceive here is that you play games.  Whether or not this is related to ADHD is something that I don't know.  Whether this is intentional or non-intentional I don't know.  But I suspect that this very scenario is why you have no friends.


'play games'... no, I don't play games. Playing games implies that I enjoy manipulating others for my own pleasure and ego. I don't.
Not my thing, so I'll categorically deny this.

quote:


You write:

"I'm VERY good at what I do, but in terms of social skills, I sucked, big time. I have almost NO friends (two at last count). Over the years, I've lost my extrovert qualities and became introverted."  Well you don't sound introverted here.  Rather you sound quite self-assured and extroverted.  So what's up?


I've been asked that before, in chat, forums and the like. All I can offer is a theory based on my own experience, that I have posted before:

I often acted out impulsively throughout my school years, angry that no one would see things the way I do. Kids often pushed my buttons for amusement.

The psychological view is this will tend to cause kids to turn inward from the pain of being socially ostracized like that. Extroverts can easily be turned introverted in that kind of environment. I generally kept to myself after a lot of that abuse, including from the instructors, that decided that it was easy to label me as lazy and undisciplined, rather than wrapping their heads around the concept that there might really be a neurological issue that could be addressed. The simple answer was to stuff me in special ed and forget about me.

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I suggest that any problem that you might have is only obliquely related to the ADHD, for I do not see any issue around focusing and I suspect that the real problem is the push/pull of a sort of "I'm no good;" but "I'm the best," issue that I perceive here.  If you have this sort of problem with the social world, then yes, you are likely to have problems with a dom/sub relationship, in fact you will likely have problems in any relationships dom/sub or not.  Learning to work with the social and business world is no different than learning to work with relationships.


ADHD is only part of the problem. The behavioral issues associated with it are a symptom of ADHD, and those behaviors are reinforced over time. The behaviors have to be unraveled. This is what I'm attempting to do. As far as relationships are concerned, yes, you're quite right, if both parties of the relationship are unaware of it. However, if both parties of the relationship is aware of the issue, then it can be managed quite well. As I've mentioned before, social skills are important in relationships as well as the work environment, I agree, and it can be done when everyone is aware of the potential issues and is willing to work with it.  

NightWing, I appreciate your concern, but I really don't enjoy having my posts picked apart and having to pick back in defense of myself. It's not constructive. I called two people on the carpet for 1) Misconceptions 2) Stating an annoying truism that should have died a long time ago. Everyone else provided a great deal of information and support, some of it by email,  and that was more appreciated than they'll ever know. THEY were constructive. Being critical and suspicious isn't. Thanks anyway.

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/23/2007 4:43:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterGlitch

Scott, the best thing you can do for yourself, and your future subbie, is to take full responsibility for yourself first.
There is no way you can be responsible for someone else without first being responsible for yourself.
That's all it boils down to really.
Quit blaming why you can't keep a job, relationship, etc, on a handful of initials.



Ohh.... I love this, boiling things down to a matter of will power! LOL

ADD/ADHD isn't what you think it is if you think it's about blaming a bunch of letters, my friend. :)
Sure, I could quit blaming my problems on a handful of initials, but that would imply that my problem is an issue of character, rather than a disorder/disability.

Want to know the most common comment I got while in school? "You can do the work if you wanted to."
Those nine words are among the most cruelest in my life. Why? The problem wasn't that I didn't want to do the work, and the problem wasn't that I couldn't do the work. The problem was that I couldn't focus on the work long enough to complete it. What's worse? It's not something that you can use will power on. Just like an epilectic cannot choose not to have a siezure, I can't just focus when and if I please. I can develop strategies to manage my focus issues, but it's not a matter of will. The biggest mistake most people make regarding ADD/ADHD is assuming it's just a matter of will power.

What's more, it's not a learning disability, the learning issues are an effect of ADD/ADHD. Hell, even the letters themselves, the label are an observed effect of the disability. Wait, it gets even better! It's not restricted to the executive functions of the brain, it effects the emotional functions of the brain. Some one with ADD/ADHD can appear bi-polar at times, but it wouldn't be bi-polar at all. It's just the emotions jumping tracks unexpectedly.

The thing about ADD that makes it different from a lot of other disorders is that it's a quagmire to diagnose and treat. There are a lot of symptoms related to other disorders like bi-polar, clinical depression, manic depression, etc., that can be attributed to ADD.

Quit blaming a collection of letters? Then how would I work out what is an actual character flaw within myself and what is an issue related to my ADD?



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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/23/2007 5:24:35 PM   
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Well, it's been over a year since I posted the topic. Basically, the year sucked in this regard.

Apparently, research in Adult ADD/ADHD seems to be exceptionally thin. The majority of the focus is on children and new medications. (Gee, I wonder why? Nothing like an emotional hook to improve sales, hmm?)
The venerable Physician's Desk Reference (PDR), has no relevant dosing information for Schedule II drugs outside of pediatrics. (Never mind that research has shown that dosing is individual and body weight has no bearing on the effective dose.)
I've been declared a high risk for drug abuse and alcohol abuse simply because I asked for treatment for ADD, asked for a specific medication (drug abuse flag developed by the DEA), and mentioned when asked that I take a few shots of bourbon once or twice a week to help with sleep.
I've also discovered that most M.D.s don't know how to treat ADD effectively and often resent being educated by a patient.
I've been managed, handled, rolled, spindled and mangled in the process and all the while I've tried to be understanding of their ignorance and prejudice.

Overall, I've pissed away a year just trying to achieve an effective dose of medication that I still haven't worked out, and as a result I've made no progress.

I've learned something that I discovered as quite true, the road to hell is paved by good intentions. Because of well intentioned medical personnel, politicians and law enforcement, I've gone through hell.

Nice huh?

Take it from me, the mental health system is never going to go out of business. They often generate their own demand.

(Sigh) I hope the coming year gets better than this one. I've learned a lot, developed a few strategies and I've a new game plan, but getting cooperation is almost impossible.

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/23/2007 5:31:30 PM   
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i don't know what this is about, perhaps the high risk of ADD/ADHD adults for drug abuse...but the only psychiatrist i have met that has been trained in addictionology (taken some absurd number of hours - 100 or 300 or something - in addiction, rather than the standard 10, that almost all psychiatrists have) was also the best psychiatrist for figuring out what ADD/ADHD medication and what doseage was best for the patient...not that they are easy to find....just a heads up...

good luck
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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/23/2007 5:43:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

i don't know what this is about, perhaps the high risk of ADD/ADHD adults for drug abuse...but the only psychiatrist i have met that has been trained in addictionology (taken some absurd number of hours - 100 or 300 or something - in addiction, rather than the standard 10, that almost all psychiatrists have) was also the best psychiatrist for figuring out what ADD/ADHD medication and what doseage was best for the patient...not that they are easy to find....just a heads up...

good luck
chelle



Oh, don't I know it.
Based on what I've discovered, those that have been on stimulants as children appear to be less likely to abuse substances. However, the flip side is that those that have never been treated tend to 'self medicate', usually with stimulants, like coffee, smokes, cocaine, meth, alcohol, etc. They're the higher risk group. But... it's kind of a oxymoron, are those that self medicate abusing drugs or are they trying to treat themselves without knowing it? If they're treated for thier disorder with stimulants, will the addiction continue, abate or vanish? Are they addicted if stimulants are what the body needs to function properly? (Diabetes for instance, if you take insulin, is it an addiction or medicine?)

I'm still confused about the difference between psychologists and psychiatrists, but I'll work it out.

Thanks for the heads up. :)

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/23/2007 6:12:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: scottjk

I'm still confused about the difference between psychologists and psychiatrists, but I'll work it out.


A psychiatrist is a doctor that specializes in treating the mind.
A psychologist is a somewhat glorified counceller.
I hope that has dispelled the confusion.

Health,
al-Aswad.



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