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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/23/2007 6:33:20 PM   
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Scott,

I've read some of this thread and want to respond to your opening post here.
My opinion: Be gentle on yourself. Make friends real time in the BDSM community and over time: You'll find yourself with a nice group of friends at the very least. That would give you a chance to enjoy real life bdsm, and remain true to what you really need and want to experience.
I have had medical issues lately, and am still spending time with friends. This has given me the balance I seek. Plenty of personal stress, then an outlet that lets me be me. The support I've had from good friends has helped me cope with the day to day stuff. The fun activities  have gotten those endorphins and dopamines sizzling through my body, which makes any stress seem like a lot less.
Good luck,
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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/23/2007 6:37:21 PM   
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Do I have to turn my back on this lifetyle and my search until I present the 'ideal' of a dom?


The end of the process of self-improvement is properly called death.
Know your limitations, and make sure your partner knows them.
Be honest up front about your issues with potential partners.
You will find that the ones worth keeping are realistic.
Communicate, be solution-centric, and persevere.
If both put in the work, you'll both succeed.
Like any relationship, it's a team effort.

Any submissive looking for the ideal or perfect dominant will find only disappointment.

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Edit: I just realized this thread is ages old, and that I should've replied to the latest posts only.


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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/23/2007 6:48:32 PM   
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I know of a retired CEO with ADHD, the ability to switch gears every two minutes to tackle a new problem was one of the things that helped him succeed. He told people trying to sell him things they had ten minutes tops to present their case, if they couldn't then they didn't know it well enough or have a good enough reason for him to use them.

One of the top pediatric neurologists in the nation is severely ADHD. He's opened a dozen satellite offices in outlying areas and goes to a different one every day. He hands his paycheck to his accountant and his wife and they manage the money, he gets an allowance.

Having this just means you need to develop coping skills. You could try medication, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, find a job that does not involve sitting at a desk all day, use a planner, etc. And assigning tasks you know you can't handle well, the ability to delegate, is essential in this world. Whether you're managing subs or subordinates.

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/23/2007 6:59:16 PM   
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I also have a disorder which I struggle with too on a daily basis (won't mention what, message me if you really want to know more) and I have also received help for it and am working on my life so I know what you mean. At times I have wondered also if it was appropriate for me to be involved in this lifestyle but I keep coming back to it even when ive tried leaving....So I don't think you should leave just because you have a disorder as most people have the right to have something in their life that is fufilling, just make sure your partner knows exactly where you stand and if it is something they want to deal with.

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/23/2007 7:51:46 PM   
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There seems to be many ADD/ADHD people in the life, myself included - just like any other "category" - we're people.  The hyperintensity can be a very good thing but the problems of getting one's sh*t together is something I personally feel needs to be addressed before knowingly dragging someone else into it.  Yes, our partners can impart  compensation for and balance out our short commings and gifts with thier own.  A strong 1 + 1 can equal 3.   If your life is in disarray, shouldn't your focus, energies and attention be directed towards straightening it out rather than seeking the escape, distraction and diversion of subs/slaves?   The worst disservice we can do is to seek out and attempt to use another as a crutch for our own short commings.   By all means, learn, enjoy, meet people, play but before considering taking responsibility on for another it is prudent and only fair to have your own life together.  Not perfection, not wealthy, nothing necessarily that others might consider exceptional - but learn to compensate, manage with or without medication as apropriate, yourself.  Don't seek to control others as compensation for not being able to control yourself and your life.  And yes, some degree of stability is a positive sign that you have managed to get it together.  Few get through life without having challanges, adversity and getting the rug jerked out from under us on occassion.  It's how we deal with it that reflects on our character.  You're working on getting a handle on yourself and your challanges - great, good for you. Does having ADD/ADHD itself preclude your fitness as a Dominant?  No, but not having your own life in some fair degree of order, regardless of the cause or source, should as a matter of ethics keep you from seeking to enter into a relationship where others are dependent on your lead and judgment.

Late on the thread but I hope the thoughts and information to follow help. 

There is a Dr. Amen (think the spelling is correct) that has done research and studies in identifying the 6 types of ADD/ADHD and combinations.  Hard to diagnose true enough and medications thrown at you and tried  to "see" if this works.  Amen's wife and children are all ADD.  He did studies with dye and activities documenting brain patterns both natural and with a variety of medications  - for before and after "pictures"  of cause and effectiveness of medical treatment.  His work may be of some help in determining the needed medical treatment to correct the actual brain function deficientcies. 

And yes, undiagnosed, we do tend to try to self medicate and as a consequence do have greater tendancy towards substance abuse.  And yes, the frustrations of blindy trying to deal throughout life can also have psychological repercussions that need to be resolved as well. Get strong and right in yourself.  Gather tools that can be used to compensate and help correct.  There is a quality to life to be achieved and enjoyed once we can stop beating ourselves up for screwing it up.   Hang in there - frustration is no stranger but you're on the right path, just don't spare the post it notes to keep on it <G>.

Best wishes,

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/23/2007 8:05:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyLolly

There seems to be many ADD/ADHD people in the life, myself included - just like any other "category" - we're people.  The hyperintensity can be a very good thing but the problems of getting one's sh*t together is something I personally feel needs to be addressed before knowingly dragging someone else into it.  Yes, our partners can impart  compensation for and balance out our short commings and gifts with thier own.  A strong 1 + 1 can equal 3.   If your life is in disarray, shouldn't your focus, energies and attention be directed towards straightening it out rather than seeking the escape, distraction and diversion of subs/slaves?   The worst disservice we can do is to seek out and attempt to use another as a crutch for our own short commings.   By all means, learn, enjoy, meet people, play but before considering taking responsibility on for another it is prudent and only fair to have your own life together.  Not perfection, not wealthy, nothing necessarily that others might consider exceptional - but learn to compensate, manage with or without medication as apropriate, yourself.  Don't seek to control others as compensation for not being able to control yourself and your life.  And yes, some degree of stability is a positive sign that you have managed to get it together.  Few get through life without having challanges, adversity and getting the rug jerked out from under us on occassion.  It's how we deal with it that reflects on our character.  You're working on getting a handle on yourself and your challanges - great, good for you. Does having ADD/ADHD itself preclude your fitness as a Dominant?  No, but not having your own life in some fair degree of order, regardless of the cause or source, should as a matter of ethics keep you from seeking to enter into a relationship where others are dependent on your lead and judgment.

Late on the thread but I hope the thoughts and information to follow help. 

There is a Dr. Amen (think the spelling is correct) that has done research and studies in identifying the 6 types of ADD/ADHD and combinations.  Hard to diagnose true enough and medications thrown at you and tried  to "see" if this works.  Amen's wife and children are all ADD.  He did studies with dye and activities documenting brain patterns both natural and with a variety of medications  - for before and after "pictures"  of cause and effectiveness of medical treatment.  His work may be of some help in determining the needed medical treatment to correct the actual brain function deficientcies. 

And yes, undiagnosed, we do tend to try to self medicate and as a consequence do have greater tendancy towards substance abuse.  And yes, the frustrations of blindy trying to deal throughout life can also have psychological repercussions that need to be resolved as well. Get strong and right in yourself.  Gather tools that can be used to compensate and help correct.  There is a quality to life to be achieved and enjoyed once we can stop beating ourselves up for screwing it up.   Hang in there - frustration is no stranger but you're on the right path, just don't spare the post it notes to keep on it <G>.

Best wishes,

LL




Off topic welcome to the boards LL! Just like old times :)

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/23/2007 9:04:10 PM   
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I'm still confused about the difference between psychologists and psychiatrists,


A psychiatrist is a doctor that specializes in treating the mind.
A psychologist is a somewhat glorified counceller.
I hope that has dispelled the confusion.



A psychiatrist is an MD that took further courses in the specialty of psychiatry.  They primarily treat mental health symptoms and disorders by the use of medication.  Some psychiatrists also practice psychotherapy (talk therapy), some do not.

A psychologist is a PhD who practices psychotherapy (talk therapy) only.  My state does not allow PhDs to prescribe medicine, last time I checked only Arizona was allowing that.  If a psychologist feels their patient could benefit from medication, they will refer them to a psychiatrist while continuing to treat them with talk therapy.

There are other levels of providers who practice some sort of psychotherapy.  The titles change depending on your state.  There is MFT-Marriage and Family Therapist, which is a therapist with a Masters level degree.  In some states the equivalent is MFC-Marriage and Family Counselor.  There are LCSW-Licensed Clinical Social Workers who are not "social workers" in the stereotypical sense.  Any of these will generally do psychotherapy, some may not take the more "difficult" cases such as bipolar, schizophrenia, etc.

By the way, in my experience (which may or may not be true everywhere) most patients going to a psychiatrist for the first time have already been self-medicating in some way for a while, whether that is by caffeine, alcohol, dietary supplements, or excessive exercise (for the endorphins), to name a few. 

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/23/2007 9:59:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

quote:

ORIGINAL: scottjk

I'm still confused about the difference between psychologists and psychiatrists, but I'll work it out.


A psychiatrist is a doctor that specializes in treating the mind.
A psychologist is a somewhat glorified counceller.
I hope that has dispelled the confusion.

Health,
al-Aswad.




Actually the difference is quite a bit easier to determine

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The simplest way to describe the difference between them is that a psychologist primarily aids the depressed patient by counseling and psychotherapy. A psychiatrist may also perform psychotherapy; but, in addition, can prescribe medications and perform ECT (electroconvulsive therapy). A psychiatrist is a medical doctor. A psychologist may hold a doctoral degree (Ph.D.) and be called "doctor"; but, is not a medical doctor (M.D.).


http://depression.about.com/cs/psychotherapy/f/psychologist.htm


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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/24/2007 5:56:25 AM   
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Amazing timing on the bump, Scott, as I was just saying to My sub yesterday that I needed to do a search on this topic on the boards.  This wasn't the thread I was thinking of specifically, but it certainly adds to the discussion.

This wasn't a topic I was very familiar with until I met My current submissive.  Since then, I have learned a thing or two about it.  Like you, he wasn't diagnosed until he was an adult either.  In his case, there were also some false diagnoses along the way, because it wasn't even classified as a disorder when he was a child.  A lot of the problems that you discussed in the OP and some of the subsequent replies are experiences that he's had as well.  Issues with lacking focus, job instability, difficulty with finishing tasks, etc were par for the course for a long time for him.  These things can still be problems if he doesn't take his medication regularly.  I won't list here what he does take, but it's not considered a level 2 substance, which can make some things easier than what you were talking about in your update.

As to ADHD in the lifestyle, there are more than a lot of people would think.  The reason for it seems to be equated with the higher risk catagory for abusing drugs and alcohol.  Simply put, it's a way of self medicating without ingesting a substance.  The rush (Topspace/subspace, if you prefer) that W/we get from wiitwd causes the same reaction in the brain without putting anything into the body.  It can work the same for those who use sex or excercise for the same effect.  All of these things get the dopamine to the frontal lobe of the brain, and that's the big draw for those with ADHD.  It's My opinion that submissives with ADHD also benefit from the structure of the lifestyle.  I've seen that help with some of the focus issues.  It's just a theory of My own, but I think it would also benefit someone from the Dominant side, if the submissive in the dynamic was faithful about rituals in place, etc.

A side thing that I do want to mention here.  It is because of the chemical rush during BDSM play that My sub has more focus than during most other activities.  That might be the same from the Top side as well.  You might find that you have wonderful clarity during a scene basically because of the chemicals rushing around in your head.  I know from the feedback that I get from My boy that it is certainly true in his case.  I've heard it from others who are active in the lifestyle that it has the same effect. 

Unfortunately, I can't remember off of the top of My head the title of the book My sub is reading that has a chapter on this particular subject.  I can remember the name of the chapter title, which is, "I bet I can make you hit me'.  If you would like to message Me on the other side, I will ask him for it.



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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/24/2007 8:23:07 AM   
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Oh, don't I know it.
Based on what I've discovered, those that have been on stimulants as children appear to be less likely to abuse substances. However, the flip side is that those that have never been treated tend to 'self medicate', usually with stimulants, like coffee, smokes, cocaine, meth, alcohol, etc. They're the higher risk group. But... it's kind of a oxymoron, are those that self medicate abusing drugs or are they trying to treat themselves without knowing it? If they're treated for thier disorder with stimulants, will the addiction continue, abate or vanish? Are they addicted if stimulants are what the body needs to function properly? (Diabetes for instance, if you take insulin, is it an addiction or medicine?)



hmmm i wonder if i had actually been diagnosed as ADD as a child if i wouldn't have done all that meth and crack...i was diagnosed the last time i was in outpatient treatment for drug use...in school they just told me i was bored because i was so smart...which was true...i didn't learn anything in school until 8th grade math (which was actually algebra 2...they had me in a special math program) but, there actually was another reason why i wandered around the hallways of my elementary school while the other kids were doing their school work that i finished in five minutes...


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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/24/2007 8:24:29 AM   
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Ummm...what were you saying?

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/24/2007 8:52:04 AM   
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hi there im a submissive and ADHD as well and i didnt have a good treatment till recently when the SPECT (single proton emission computed tomography) was used to identify 6 seprate types of ADD/ADHD afecting men amd wemen equaly. the diffrence is in treatment all recomend a high protien lower carbohydrate diet, the rest depend on the areas in the brain that are underactive. im on SSRI and a dopamine receptor meds and i am enjoying life for the first time without alienating everyone else. the propper meds will make a monumental diffrence in your life, i had many of the same problems as you describe and i have had a dramatic change in how i deal with the world. as a submissive i have found a small change in how i enjoy the lifestyle but for the better, as far as a dominant i cant say how it will be for you youl have to find out for yourself. as far as how you present yourself just do it as you have done so here if there realy trusting the will accept you with the respect you deserve. the appointments need to be made a priority have a trusted freind aid you in getting you there, my wife drug me in and i got the new meds its worth it to get them done. :D

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/24/2007 8:53:27 AM   
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i dunno, i just kind of skimmed over the thread...

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/24/2007 9:15:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: scottjk

I'm still confused about the difference between psychologists and psychiatrists, but I'll work it out.


A psychiatrist is a doctor that specializes in treating the mind.
A psychologist is a somewhat glorified counceller.
I hope that has dispelled the confusion.

Health,
al-Aswad.




It does and thank you. :)



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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/26/2007 12:35:48 PM   
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I have ADHD and BDSM has helped me control it. It has allowed me to set rules for relationships both vanilla and bdsm. I believe a combined vanilla and bdsm relationship makes the best experiences but moving on. These rules that I set for myself allow me to focus on the subs/slaves that I come in contact with and allow me to gain some trust in our relationship enough to have casual sex or even light bondage etc. Through this goal of say having casual sex with a sub...this is good because I am getting her to submit to me enough where she is able to remove her clothes and pleasure me no matter how mutual the pleasure exchange maybe. This allows for trust to be built in and out of the bedroom. Knowing that with ADHD, you can get a sub/slave to trust you will give you the strength not to loose it so you can expand into bdsm where the sadistic side can help cause you can channel your excess energy into his/her punishment and help them change that into pleasure.

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/26/2007 4:19:31 PM   
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i have ADHD. i always thought of myself as a 'nervous' person... couldn't sit still without something in my hands to keep them busy or something to work on mentally. i got bored very easily. i did well in school, but only by working at it.

i don't know how classic it is, but i can focus on things that interest me. i can spend hours reading, sitting still. i can focus on a movie but it helps if i have knitting, crocheting or something else to do with my hands while i do it. Those kinds of crafty things are my coping mechanisms, learned before i realized that i had ADHD. I also learned self-discipline due to a  father who would beat your butt if you didn't know when to sit still and be quiet. i have also learned to focus better mentally by doing number and logic puzzles

It wasn't until my youngest started meds that i realized i had it too. i was in a job where i got criticized for working too fast ( i was stunned... what boss would complain about that?), that i didn't finish things and got labeled with the nickname "Ricochet Rabbit". The boss was impossible to please and two co-workers were  sabotaging me with her. i got so stressed that the symptoms got worse, i'd actually start to shake and tremble at work, felt like i was going to vibrate right out of my skin.

i went on Adderall for several months... i lost 15-20 i couldn't afford to lose. i'm in a new department and store now, with a great boss and am focusing fine without the meds.

i have been reading this post with an intense amount of interest, as i hadn't thought of my coffee/cola habit as self-medication before. i also didn't connect the feeling of intense relaxation after subspace as anything more than really good sex .  So i have to thank everyone for some great links...

BTW, i don't think that having ADHD is any bar to being a good Dom -- any more than it would be to being a good parent. If You understand Your limitations and organize things around them, it is possible to do anything You set Your mind to.



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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/26/2007 5:20:13 PM   
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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/26/2007 5:27:51 PM   
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i have been reading this post with an intense amount of interest, as i hadn't thought of my coffee/cola habit as self-medication before.


Caffeine hits the same receptors in the brain as do stimulants. So if you give an um who is bouncing all over the place caffeine and they settle down, then that's damn near a perfect diagnosis of ADHD.
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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/26/2007 5:28:06 PM   
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Some of you have seen some of my postings. Some of you I respect, some I find down-right goofy. :)

I have a confession and I have a really serious question.

I am ADHD, and I'm having a hell of a time with it. In fact, I'm having self esteem issues because of it.

Here's some background.

It's been undiagnosed most of my life. The outdated diagnosis has been Hyper-activity.

Some of the problems involved with undiagnosed ADHD include social isolation, failed relationships, repeated job failures and so on. Even post-education is a major issue. Learning on our own is a monumental roadblock for us, depending on the type of ADHD (there are six basic types, by the way)

I'm seeking help, and that isn't easy either. <chuckle> The paradox for ADHD people is actually getting to our appointments on a regular basis. Trust me, it's more than a challange! :) I'm hoping that once I start getting to those appointments, life will improve. (Talk about a prayer that NEEDS an answer)

In spite of all this, I consider myself exceptionally empathic, have a strong sense of honor and responsibility and I know, without any doubts, I'm dominant. However, that creates a paradox within myself.

Here's the paradox. A dominant is more than a sadistic streak. Far, far more, as I'm sure you all will agree. There's an enormous amount of responsibility involved. But because I'm ADHD and struggling with life in general, I have serious doubts in being a provider of security, a trait that all subs and slaves desire in spades.

Honestly? Failure is a part of my life in respect of being a provider of security. I'm trying to change that, but does that mean that I must reject d/s relationships until I (gods I hate this term) "master myself"?

Do I have to turn my back on this lifetyle and my search until I present the 'ideal' of a dom?

If not, how do I present myself as a dom while I'm struggling with all this?

Gang, I'm at the end of my rope. I'm an honest and loving man in search and I just don't know how to present myself as a viable dom and I have doubts that I can.




Meds of various kinds can increase your ability to focus dramatically.

See a professional to get help, this is not that difficult to remedy these days.

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RE: I'm an ADHD Dominant - 12/26/2007 6:00:14 PM   
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Oh man, I so feel you buddy! One of the biggest challenges for me as an ADHD Domme is to be consistent in my expectations and reactions so my subs don't a) walk all over me or b) get hopelessly confused and start to feel helpless (and not in the good way).

A smart sub can easily distract me from my course with candy or something shiny. It's like I'm a toddler. Of course, he/she's in trouble if I catch them in the act!

I find that the latter (b) problem can be avoided with good communication and a little humility on my part. The conversation should start something like this: "I have ADHD. What this means for you is that sometimes I will be a little absent minded and forget things I said or promises I made. When I do this, please remind me. You will not get in trouble and I will not get mad at you." Then, when your sub does remind you of things you forgot, try not to beat yourself up too much and definitely don't abuse your sub! Just say "Oh yes, that's right, thank you for reminding me" and carry on with whatever else you were doing at the time. Some subs are even good enough to remind you of punishments you may have forgotten. "Sir, I had an essay due to you today." These subs are keepers ;)

But there is another issue you brought up in your OP, and that is the issue of feeling like a failure and therefore not being able to be a good Dominant. In my humble opinion, you are looking at the whole issue backwards. A D/s relationship is a safe place for you to be the person you are afraid to be out in the real world. Out there, you may be constantly shown up and emasculated by more accomplished men, or always overlooked by your boss, or simply just screw things up on a regular basis. But in your home, with your sub, you are God. You are the boss. You are the one calling the shots.

Instead of dragging all the outside baggage in and drowning your D/s life with the same anxiety that cripples you in life, let the fantasy empower you! D/s is very real, just as real as "real life," but in many ways it allows us to explore facets of ourselves we can't explore elsewhere. This is why having a D/s community like a local group or these boards is so great. Here, Sir, you are a Dominant male, even if elsewhere in life you are not.

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