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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 2:24:00 PM   
MissyRane


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Now since we've got that cleared out then to answer the question when will they learn?  When have peanut-brains been known to learn anything?

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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 2:35:10 PM   
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I gave each one of these women the name of both the sheriff and mayor of the city / county in which I live and a link to the city/county web sites with contact information.


Yeah... but did you tell them that the sheriff is your cousin, and the mayor is your brother-in-law? ...

Seriously though, I agree with you. MGD's posts are typically very good, but this one doesn't make the grade. I could be wrong, but it seems that he may be carrying some sort of baggage into potential friendships/relationships with this age thing.

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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 2:39:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

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why make such a freaking big deal about it?

Indeed why do you? Beyond being just a number, Is it really any of your business?...and if so, where in the Constitution does it say women are owed full disclosure of this and other numerical information? like income? Are you here to meet a nice person, or a nice person in a peticular age group? Why should a man ever divulge his age? Give me one good reason outside the fact that you won't continue the relation out of....ignorance?

You HAVE NO RIGHT  to know his age till he's ready to tell you.
deal.



Say Brother....

Been reading most of your posts and they have been pretty good. However, this one I really disagree with.

When you get to the point where you feel your somewhat like-minded and the compatibility level is such that you've set a date on the calendar to meet, why is there still a need for all the mystery when it comes to something as simple as one's age?

I'd think if you really start to like the person and feel as though there might be some serious potential, you should really go out of your way to make that person feel very comfortable. Shouldn't you? When you lie....or fail to disclose the truth, you only set yourself up for failure later.

I know from my standpoint.....I have only liked and gotten to know two women on these sites well enough that I wanted to meet them in person. I only met one of them. However, on both occasions I talked /chatted to them for a very long time. They got to know a lot about me, my family, my business, etc. And being the way the net is....with all the nuts and goofy people out there, to make them feel even more comfortable, I gave each one of these women the name of both the sheriff and mayor of the city / county in which I live and a link to the city/county web sites with contact information. I then told them if they ever have any questions or doubts....feel free to call either one of these guys, at your will, and ask them for a personal reference.


I dunno.... the truth, with regard to such simple things goes a long ways.



- R


Granted, but I had just met this girl, and knew we'd likely never meet, knew she needed mentoring as both artistic and submissive arenas, having only met one dominant here, who gave good phone then dumped her, still a virgin. I knew what was about to happen when she asked my age first thing in our initial chat offsite, and reacted as I did, perhaps over-zealously. I didnt seek her out, but did like her, and believe it or not, was a bit hurt by her decision. By the time I meet someone, they WILL know my age, and usually will the moment I feel any respect for them, or think I like them. But it had better not be the first bridge we cross, and if it is, then I dont like or respect them enough to tell them jackshit anyway. I am a dominant, and they identify a sub. If they can't submit to my wishes and indulge me on such a smal thing, I know then they arent for me, doubt theier submission, or that they ever will be.


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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 2:39:23 PM   
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Well, it’s happened yet again: I exchange mail here with some guy, I decide I rather like him; we share YIM ID where I discover a large discrepancy in the age stated; I ask about it…only to learn (yet again) that he doesn’t look his age, that men half as old as he cannot keep up physically; AND…'lotsa women lie about their looks by posting 20-year old pictures'
I suppose I would feel the same way only because he seems to be holding on to the information for dear life.   Whereas I could understand you're not asking and him not telling, I cannot understand your asking and him refusing...  That kind of mindset bothers me because it indicates that getting any significant information from him will require pulling teeth or act of congress effort;   I don't do excessively cynical people as I can't stand them for too long.
On the other hand, if I very much liked the person, enjoyed talking with him, and wanted to meet him for all the right reasons except that I don't know his age, I would still do it and see if the online chemistry translated to real life chemistry, regardless of age.      M


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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 3:02:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

LMAO… well…that post is likely to get pulled!  I gave up reading it when he started the sarcastic name calling (…little hot rich girl).

Yup, I’m with you regarding internet personas; they’re just not for me because I don’t play online.  Still, generally speaking, age is not all that important to me, either.  I’ve dated and enjoyed the company of men 20 years younger and 15 years older…and I know a couple of HOT guys in their 70’s (but, alas, they’re vanilla, too.)
Yup...it's the lying part that bugs me.B




Sorry my use of language was offensive to you, but it wan't directed at you, so discontinuing reading it seems obtuse. Beyond that, Bullshit. you quit reading because you didn't like what i was opining, and didnt want to even think about it enough to respond in any intellectual context, much less see it through enough to finish the post. had you done so, you'd have seen me admit my use of words was less than stellar, having no tact or diplomacy.

So you now post this, and say "Still, generally speaking, age is not all that important to me, either. "....??
Bullshit again, and if so, why did you make this post? Like me, your gent didnt lie, but didnt want to say, a distinction you seem unable to make. You even said you were really liking him, didn't think he was outside you age range anyway. If so, put your money where your mouth is, and go back and talk to him. he hasnt done anything wrong. you have. And imo no longer talking with him is likely more your loss than his. Try having more patience and tolerance...at least until he's has surrendered to you.

Who shit in my wheaties?
I dunno, some chick on CM called MsBearleeopenminded...lol.

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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 3:06:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger
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When you get to the point where you feel your somewhat like-minded and the compatibility level is such that you've set a date on the calendar to meet, why is there still a need for all the mystery when it comes to something as simple as one's age?  
  (bolding is mine)

You just hit the nail on the head, Ranger!  We were AT that point ...age had not come up until we exchanged new addresses (so he could send me a picture and we could set a meeting date) and I noticed the descrepancy...and asked about it.
 
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ORIGINAL: mgdartist
Granted, but I had just met this girl, and knew we'd likely never meet, knew she needed mentoring as both artistic and submissive arenas, having only met one dominant here, who gave good phone then dumped her, still a virgin. I knew what was about to happen when she asked my age first thing in our initial chat offsite, and reacted as I did, perhaps over-zealously. I didnt seek her out, but did like her, and believe it or not, was a bit hurt by her decision. By the time I meet someone, they WILL know my age, and usually will the moment I feel any respect for them, or think I like them. But it had better not be the first bridge we cross, and if it is, then I dont like or respect them enough to tell them jackshit anyway. I am a dominant, and they identify a sub. If they can't submit to my wishes and indulge me on such a smal thing, I know then they arent for me, doubt theier submission, or that they ever will be.


Now, see there...we DO agree, afterall!   Right up to and including my doubting his ability to submit to my wishes or indulge me on any other 'small thing'.  Happy New Year!
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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 3:23:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mgdartist

Sorry my use of language was offensive to you, but it wan't directed at you, so discontinuing reading it seems obtuse. Beyond that, Bullshit. you quit reading because you didn't like what i was opining, and didnt want to even think about it enough to respond in any intellectual context, {There was intellectual context in there with the name calling?} much less see it through enough to finish the post. had you done so, you'd have seen me admit my use of words was less than stellar, having no tact or diplomacy.

So you now post this, and say "Still, generally speaking, age is not all that important to me, either. "....??
Bullshit again, and if so, why did you make this post? { uhhhhhhhhh...because, as I've mentioned seveal many times now...it was about lying, not age.}
 
Like me, your gent didnt lie, but didnt want to say, a distinction you seem unable to make. {Speaking of not reading posts...have you read mine?  He stated he was 55 in one place and 62 in another} You even said you were really liking him, didn't think he was outside you age range anyway. If so, put your money where your mouth is, and go back and talk to him. he hasnt done anything wrong. {in my book, stating one age in one place and another age in a different place...is lying; and is NOT saying "I'd rather not say"} you have. And imo no longer talking with him is likely more your loss than his. Try having more patience and tolerance...at least until he's has surrendered to you.  {I see, you'd put up with a sub who just lies a little...until you get to know her well enough to make her yours?}

Who shit in my wheaties?
I dunno, some chick on CM called MsBearleeopenminded...lol.


Oh my...more name calling.  Yup, this is intellectual, all right.  I can see now, I was wrong, after all; in my last post regarding you!  LMAO
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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 3:33:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Hi Bearlee,
 
.I get a kick out of those guys that post their age and have a pic that looks 15 years older.  Boy, there are some rough looking 50+'s out there then.  I keep my pic's current and honest.
Shhh, Lotus, don't tell them. When "Shifted" tells me to look at this pic and it's some guy my age that appears as if he has one foot in the grave....it makes me feel a hell of a lot better....lol.

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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 4:06:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I don't care what age he is.. if he's going to be that upset at her request.. I'd figure his baggage alone wouldn't be worth the aggravation to deal with.  Remember the old skit about  "Niagara Falls"?


BINGO!  That's what I mean about all that reflecting on one's ability to submit or obey.  I don't play at this, nor do I want to drag/beat/cajole submission out of anybody.  I figure if they are interested in being mine...they'll do as I ask.

No...what about that skit; I guess I've not heard of it...

It was an old vaudeville routine.   When on of the character's heard the words "Niagara Falls" it set off a flashback.  The guy would get a crazed look in his eyes.. turn slowly to the person who said it and as it went:
 
"NiiiiiiiiiiAAAArga Faaaaalllllllllllllllls!  Slowly I turned.. Step by step.. inch by inch..  I grabbed the guy...etc" Then he begins to pummel the guy who said it t begin with. The 3 stooges do it also.

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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 4:18:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mgdartist

Ah, I love this thread, posing an urgently pertinent question, and thank the OP for starting it, and hope she wasn't too put off by my initial comments, as she must know they weren't actually directed solely at her, since for me, this has been an ongoing debate, and in the spirit of which I'd like to be beaten with intelligent rebuttal if I am in fact wrong. Using interpretive logic, and being assessed as bitter, dishonest or lacking integrity arent addressing the core of the issue, but if you have something intelligent to say, after reading the following, I'd love to hear it:


Since you asked, I thought you were being very obstinate, irrational, and even immature.  But that's just my opinion and whether you think it's an intelligent contribution is entirely up to you.  Of course, you are also perfectly entitled to be those things; I just wouldn't be surprised if you enjoy that privilege in solitude more often than not.

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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 4:26:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash

 ... When "Shifted" tells me to look at this pic and it's some guy my age that appears as if he has one foot in the grave....it makes me feel a hell of a lot better....lol.

LMAO, isn't that the truth, Scooter?  THAT would be why age doesn't matter all that much, huh?  Lordy, I've met guys ten years younger than me who acted like they were 20 years older!  Life is too short to 'act' old!  Dang, I'm 58 years young and enjoy any body's company who can keep up with me on a hike!  <grinz>


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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 4:28:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

"NiiiiiiiiiiAAAArga Faaaaalllllllllllllllls!  Slowly I turned.. Step by step.. inch by inch..  I grabbed the guy...etc" Then he begins to pummel the guy who said it t begin with. The 3 stooges do it also. 


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh... THAT old skit!  LOL  Thanks LS.

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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 4:53:23 PM   
diamonddreamlove


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Status: offline 		As a sub/slave i can not imagine refusing to answer a simple question about age when someone i was trying to serve asked it of me.  Of course acting like someone pissed in my Wheaties also would not be a good thing for a Dom to use in regards to a sub asking that question either.  Don't want to be involved with anyone that insecure.

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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 5:50:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: losttreasure

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ORIGINAL: mgdartist

Ah, I love this thread, posing an urgently pertinent question, and thank the OP for starting it, and hope she wasn't too put off by my initial comments, as she must know they weren't actually directed solely at her, since for me, this has been an ongoing debate, and in the spirit of which I'd like to be beaten with intelligent rebuttal if I am in fact wrong. Using interpretive logic, and being assessed as bitter, dishonest or lacking integrity arent addressing the core of the issue, but if you have something intelligent to say, after reading the following, I'd love to hear it:


Since you asked, I thought you were being very obstinate, irrational, and even immature.  But that's just my opinion and whether you think it's an intelligent contribution is entirely up to you.  Of course, you are also perfectly entitled to be those things; I just wouldn't be surprised if you enjoy that privilege in solitude more often than not.



But i didnt ask for another mudslinging character assessment, but in fact specifically requested that be foregone., and for you to explain to me why what im getting at is wrong, or why im wrong. As even tho I feel youre as pompous, condescending, and judgemental a person as ive yet met online, I'd listen to what you said, as you do seem intelligent, so mere mudslinging doesnt look good on you. And if you'd write something i could respect, I'd then not feel you'd just judged and left without invoking your intellect. But you said I had every right to feel as I do, then just indicated that by excercising it, I'd entitled you to be judgemental.
But i guess we're even now, and were i to choose between being alone and a sub of your calibre.....well theres little need to go there.


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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 6:23:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bearlee,
 
i can accept that age does not matter to some people, and i don't knock that.  But, for me, age does matter.  First of all, i am looking for a Daddy Dom.  It is much easier for me to picture one in that role who is older than me.  Albeit, i have considered those slightly younger than me, but at almost 50, i am not interested in calling someone in their 30s 'Daddy'.  Sorry to say that i just cannot get into that mindset.
 
The other thing is that i have a 32 year old daughter, an almost 27 year old son, and grandchildren.  Again, a potential partner in his 30s is just too much for me to wrap my head around.  Therefore, it is extremely important for me to know one's age before any major conversation pursues.  True enough, an 18 year old could be on here and say they are 50, while the opposite is true.  i guess that is why i don't waste a lot of time on chat/emails.  Phone conversation and actual meeting will tell all.
 
As far as the lying....i would not even bother with such a person.  i had a dom write me whose profile said he was 30.  When i responded that this was too young for me, he wrote back 'So 35 is too young?'  like i was some goofball or something....lol.  So he went from 30 to 35 and actually, who knows for sure?  i obviously never pursued that.
 
i would never, ever entertain the notion of continuing conversation with anyone who would not initially disclose their true age.  i really don't have that kind of time.
 
i read MGD's chat conversation (well most of it anyway).  Even as a sub, i would not have continued on as long as that sub did.  i have found MGD's posts intelligent and well spoken.  But not disclosing his age was, to me, just an act of obstinance....and then trying to later validate such obstinance.  But the point is....where did it lead?  So, i guess you can hold on to that type of behavior...or let it go.  All depends on him.
 
BTW.... i just want to say that for 58....you look great girl!  i can only hope
 
DG
 
 

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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 6:42:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have never had a problem with anyone telling me their age... more often the problem has been the other way around. I don't look my age. I will be 40 on the 11th of this month. The pic on my profile is 2 yrs old & the only reason I haven't changed it is because so many people on here talk about what a hard time they have getting their pics approved.

I still look the same, hair is longer & I have darkened the color but I haven't changed a bit.

What happens most often is that people go by a photo rather than anything else listed on a profile & because of this I am contacted by much younger men. I know age is a number but I really don't care to involve myself with someone young enough to date my daughter.

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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 6:50:37 PM   
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{I see, you'd put up with a sub who just lies a little...until you get to know her well enough to make her yours?}


I never ask their age, as where i was raised, it is rude to do so. I rarely look at the age listing either, and if I do, it never affects the relation. doubt you believe that, but fact is, i don't feel it's much of my business till such point as I have serious interest, and they do as well. Nonetheless, it's invariably an issue long before then. Not for me. Time is irrelavant. Her body's age means almost nothing. Her need to ask and demand to know has little to do with much but her being a pesky busybody, no matter what she claims about her age limits and why. You all make this huge deal over honesty and straightforwardness, while rarely being so yourselves, and make a point of not revealing anything you dont want to, but end any association when we do the same. And almost invariably, when I've been straightforward, Ive regretted it. It's a trap,
This is online. I feel its my duty to appear on cam if they wish, nothing more, but so many of you wont even do that, yet can stillcastigate those like me for dishonesty. Frankly, were another user here, if male asked me wether he should tell everything he's asked online, I'd advise him "Hell no, tell them NOTHING. they may want and demand your full honesty, but rarely, if ever appreciate it. Generally, long before you get done telling them your age, income, state of residence, and sexual/lifestyle preferences, etc theyre long gone."-
Unless youre rich, goodlooking, have a great body with a bigun, unmarried, no kids, and the best and most expertly wonderful of dominants, with tons of experience, and often a mindreader, being straightforward about anything here isnt really advisable.

So to answer the above question..sure, I'd hardly care if she fibbed about her age..it's sorta cute really, and understandable she might fudge up the numbers...if I even asked. It's not unsubmissive to my mind, its just human nature.

Another poster pointed out I was insecure, and I doubt it would change her opinion should I argue. Besides, this is all academic, As I point out in the beginning I'd likely "lose by default by virtue of not playing." So when you say i'd be rejected, hell, I figured that out from the getgo, and carry forth with all this on principle, disbelieved by all. I'm now called obstinate as well..ok, fine, then again, I don't see many or any shifts in opposing views, despite little successful rebuttal.

The only thing I've so far read that gave me pause,  was that this wasnt such a mature way to be. That I can see,  If I am wrong, it could easily be of precisely  that, lacking maturity to accept how I'm perceived via age, and not rebelling against life's inevitable inequities, as the immature youths are prone to do. I've always been too rebelious. Still doesnt mean I'm wrong, or any of you are right.

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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 7:29:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Question for the thread author/OP:

You're a female dom, I'm a male ass fetishist/sadist/top.  Technically we'd be equal in what we'd be entitled to ask/find out and not be lied to about. So -

Age is important to you, booty shape/size is important to me.

If you are entitled to ask a male's age and not be fibbed to, do you feel I am entitled to directly ask a woman's booty size/shape?  Yes or No?

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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 7:35:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsLadySue

I think it hilarious that someone would go to such lengths to get their point across. In my opinion, if he so strongly believes that his age is none of my (or anyone's) business, what else will he not be willing to tell me? He's nothing but an attention seeking joke!  LOL


Thank you. Noted, partially granted.
While I admit to having been a show-off most of my life, being a publically performing artist..the "extent to which I've taken this", was because of SO MUCH flack from SO MANY ladies. And all of it, like yours, as ridicule, judgemental, interpretive logic and telling me how I "seem", and not one valid reason that made any sense adressing the question.

...and if you think I'm that funny, youre easily entertained dear. glad to be of comic relief.


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RE: When will they learn? - 1/1/2007 7:38:26 PM   
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I think it's ok to tell someone that you're not comfortable telling them your age or ass size, or whathaveyou, then the person can decide whether or not they can accept that or talk to the person about their discomfort.  But I dont think it's ok to lie about age or size, marital status  or whatever.  

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