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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 10:17:36 AM

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And I have to point out that I haven't really even voiced an opinion of Goreans, but have found that, much like in any other group, some are great (IB, to name only one) and some are stubborn.

Once again though, if you want to change our image of Goreans, change the way you portray them.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 10:55:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Well Leonidas...

You do have a point...so much for the idea of an intelligent exchange of ideas. It is interesting to note that not one Free Women Gorean posted, and I know some here on Collarme and I can understand why.

Perhaps you missed the posts by Another? She appears to take the title of FW fairly seriously, but of course, I don't know her, so can't be sure.

quote:

It does appear that there are biased attitudes and rather than an open formum of enlightment...well..as they say.."Never try and teach a pig to sing..it waste your time and annoys the pig".

That bias runs both ways, Nosathro. As to the rest of your statement, I'm a bit disappointed that you decided to take that road as I held you in higher regard. That said, if you believe an intelligent discussion is not viable, there is little that anyone can say to open your own eyes to the possibilities that such a statement is inaccurate, so I won't even try.

I'm sorry to say, that because of that attitude, I probably won't be speaking with you again. I dislike trying to have intelligent conversations with people who don't believe that I'm capable of such, so I wish you well and hope your life is fruitful and fulfilling.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 10:57:09 AM

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I take it you define intelligence as that opinion which unquestionably agrees with yours?

You may wish to take your boyish jabs back to your Gorean forum where they belong. This whole discourse has done nothing more than to solidify my original opinion of the practitioners of Gor.

And Leonidas.. what WOULD they do without you telling them how to think?

Pot. Kettle. That's the trouble here. "You don't accept our way, so you call us stupid. That makes you stupid, stupid."

Reasonable debate requires an open mind. Statements of feelings don't. There's nothing wrong with how people feel about Gor - there's only something wrong when how one feels is portrayed as how all should feel.

Stephan
A non-Gorean

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 11:06:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

That bias runs both ways, Nosathro. As to the rest of your statement, I'm a bit disappointed that you decided to take that road as I held you in higher regard. That said, if you believe an intelligent discussion is not viable, there is little that anyone can say to open your own eyes to the possibilities that such a statement is inaccurate, so I won't even try.

I'm sorry to say, that because of that attitude, I probably won't be speaking with you again. I dislike trying to have intelligent conversations with people who don't believe that I'm capable of such, so I wish you well and hope your life is fruitful and fulfilling.

Well said, Celeste.

May I add a ditto?

Yours,

benji

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 11:28:21 AM

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And Leonidas.. what WOULD they do without you telling them how to think?

Um... well... Get sucked into your flame-bait-ish quips about flouncing, lisping, Gorean nacy boys and get this thread locked? Now, wouldn't that be fun? What I suggested, was that they ought to consider repecting that you have your own opinons about Goreans and allow you to express them here without feeling like they need to counter you. If you have some problem with that, it makes me wonder about your motives to begin with.

But hey, I guess most folks love a little drama. Take a look at the stats on this thread compared to the others in this section. Four times as many posts and twice the number of reads of any other. There used to be threads like this all the time whenever Goreans came up. It's why there's a Gorean section.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 11:32:07 AM

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If you just want to express your opinion, write it on your wall at home.

This is a discussion forum, where I, for one, enjoy discussing things.

Discussion involves listening and trying to understand the others' perspectives.

That has not happened.

I'm done.

Yours,

benji

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 11:41:22 AM

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I don't agree, benji.

Fair to say quite a few people have come with open minds, asked honest questions, and to one degree or another, and discussed what they read. That a vocal minority wishes to sling mud cakes (from both camps) isn't a reflection of the success (or failure) of the topic.

Obviously, anyone can read about Gor on wikipedia, lurk in the Gorean section, or do a search for Gor and read the hundreds of "What is Gor?" threads that turned into similar flame-fests; but the real interest (like, say, abortion rights) isn't to learn or exchange ideas, but rather rain hate and discontent on the opposing side. Usually this goes on until the thread's locked, or everyone gets tired of throwing mud cakes, and goes home.

Stephan

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 11:41:54 AM

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And yet they wonder why negative feelings towards them exist.

Just once I would like to see a gorean male use a nice bit of intelligent conversation and mature humour rather than get their back up and give the appearance of a bunch of thick headed, sword wielding, weird talking, buffoons.

Oh wait, we did see that until he got sick of the bs and left.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 11:49:09 AM

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Greetings All,

Here is an excerpt from a letter by John Norman in book 26.Please do with it what you will...............

I have refused to surrendur, to submit, to yeild, to comprimise the integrity of the Gorean vision. Better it die than be betrayed.
I wonder if our enemies can understand that?
I suspect not.
The hounds of hatred are still afoot.
I find it hard to understand them.
Are we such a reproach to them? Can they not forgive us for refusing to enter and share their small, dark, ugly world?
It seems not.
I worry.
There are more of them than there are of us.
But the herd need not be king.
There is a role, surely, for the hunters, the wanderers, the nomads, the different ones, the lonely ones, the seekers of less trodden paths and greener fields.
They will try to supress us, to destroy us. For years they have tried. They may yet be successful.
But if they are successful, what would be left? Only the desolute flats, the arid deserts, of conformity. How ashen, narrow and sterile is the tedious, platitudinous world they would impose on us?
They want us to be free-free to be just like them. But perhaps we would rather be free-to be just like us.
Liberty is not so terrible, it only seems so to those who fear it.
The virus of hate is abroad.
Our defenses are several,and formidable, the blasting winds of honor, the distance of disdain, the heights of contempt, the sunlight of truth,the approbative collegiality of nature.
So here is a book.
Words, but swords and flames, and signals, and cries in the darkness, and reminiscences of brighter, better times, of times before the houses of a once-promising genre were turned into ideological brothels, peddling the politics of intellectual incarceration.

May she wish you all well

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 11:52:53 AM

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Okay, maybe its the fever and headache........but I don't get it.........

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 11:54:38 AM

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Maybe the brilliant penmanship is too high for a Free Woman, LaT....

Accept your kajira side, and you'll soon understand it.

Yours,

benji

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 11:59:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Maybe the brilliant penmanship is too high for a Free Woman, LaT....

Accept your kajira side, and you'll soon understand it.

Yours,

benji

Dearest benji,

Kiss my ass.

Yours,

LeeAnn

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 12:56:44 PM

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It is my sincere belief that there can be a discussion here, an exchange of ideas, without reducing it to a mudslinging festival. Please keep the name calling and baiting to under-your-breath-mutterings or even top-of-your-lungs screams, that don't reach your fingertips.

Play nice and have a good day.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 12:59:00 PM

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Yeah, LaT.

You heard the Mod, no telling me to kiss your ass. PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTT!

Fucking women.

Und es liebs Gruezi em Schwiizer.

Yours,

benji

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 1:08:42 PM

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Okay, time to lock this thread and throw away the key.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 1:14:14 PM

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**** Please do not take offense to this post, it is not ment to offend anyone****

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

Greetings All,

Here is an excerpt from a letter by John Norman in book 26.Please do with it what you will...............

Are we such a reproach to them? Can they not forgive us for refusing to enter and share their small, dark, ugly world?
It seems not.

This is sort of what I cannot understand about Gorean. Why is your way ........the prettiest, best, most wonderful way. I understand it is the best FOR YOU, but why is my way not as pretty.

I know it was not your words fyeredbub it was Mr. Norman's. But he did write the books you follow.

I am not threatened by Gor. I feel that it is a valid way of life for many many people. I understand that a few can spoil the bunch and that not all Gorean people are like the few examples I have seen in real life mingling with Goreans. But it is something I cannot understand. In the books there is much violence advocated. A slave may be killed ( I know in another thread it was said "yes but no slave was actually ever killed").......but still the law was there. Slaves were hit so hard as to cause nausa. I cannot understand why all the violence? Why all the "all woman just need a big strong man to find their inner slave"?

Perhaps, I am viewing it wrong.

I will say that I have really enjoyed this thread. It did answer some of my questions and for the most part everyone has been peaceful.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 1:14:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Yeah, LaT.

You heard the Mod, no telling me to kiss your ass. PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTT!

Fucking women.

Und es liebs Gruezi em Schwiizer.

Yours,

benji

Benji, I don't know wether to kiss you or spank you!!

The best laugh I have had all day, unfortunately with water up my nose........ouch.

P.S. I did notice a mutual, feel sorry for us party, on the gorean forums that suggested that, like lesbians, all a dominant woman really wants and needs is that one, good man. I was a well mannered lady (my grandma and great aunt would be proud) and left without explaining the foolishness of their words to them. I guess there are just some people that refuse to think outside their own box. Thank god I am not one of them.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 1:16:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

Greetings All,

Here is an excerpt from a letter by John Norman in book 26.Please do with it what you will...............

I have done with it what I would. If anyone wants to see it, please email me privately :)

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 1:16:26 PM

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Benji, my post had nothing to do with LaTigresse telling you to kiss her ass.

LaT may tell you all day long in every thread on CM to kiss her ass.

In fact, I look forward to reading all about it.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/4/2007 1:17:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: ModeratorTwelve

Benji, my post had nothing to do with LaTigresse telling you to kiss her ass.

LaT may tell you all day long in every thread on CM to kiss her ass.

In fact, I look forward to reading all about it.

Mod 12, you are now at the top of my Christmas list!

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