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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/4/2007 10:41:55 AM   
MistressNoName


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Interesting...First thanks again to all respondants. I really have read all you have to say and have taken all under advisement. Still, I'm kinda smiling to myself wondering where/who to address first.

Well, how `bout last first? To DominaSmartass (cute name) - Yes, I am actually a member of 3, count them 3 lifestyle groups in my area, including TES and MAsT. Have been to the Center many times. Heck, maybe we even know one another...who knows? And I do go to as many events as my schedule, health and pocket will allow.

Now, let me jump back to pixel: I have considered what you've said and I first of all want to point out that the "negativity," you refer to is in my journal entries, not in my profile proper. And those journal entries were used for simple ventilation...folks use their journals for all kinds of reasons and I don't think my usage of it is much different from most. Also, those entries were very experience-specific and certainly not directed at anyone who is truly sincere. Still, I do understand your point - you are addressing it's power to positively attract others...I do get it.

Maybe thornhappy (what does that mean? very cute) and others who have suggested time's the thing are ultimately correct. Perhaps I have not given the search enough time...I dunno.

Now, the other point...several people have talked, including pixel, about just ignoring the rude ones, the curious georges, etc...ok, great advice...how does one do that? I mean, have other people found some way to simply not get frustrated with time-wasters, wankers etc? If so, what is your technique? I'm not trying to be flip, I am seriously interested in learning this skill as I obviously do not have it. And, I must caution you, please don't tell me to just put on a happy face. I'm from NYC...more specifically, from Brooklyn, even more specifically, from da hood. (And no, I'm not suggesting that all New Yorkers are these mean, hardened so-and-so's) I would not classify myself as a grump by a long-shot, but I also don't live in the Merry ole Land of Oz, and wouldn't want to. I'm just saying, I consider myself to be reality-based. And I'm seeking a reality-based method by which I can let some of this stuff, how did pixel put it? "act like a duck and just let it roll off your back." Fascinating.

Oh and MzMia - thanks for the support but as I stated, I believe pixel was referring to my journal, not the profile itself.

Later All,

MNN

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/4/2007 11:36:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressNoName

Now, the other point...several people have talked, including pixel, about just ignoring the rude ones, the curious georges, etc...ok, great advice...how does one do that? I mean, have other people found some way to simply not get frustrated with time-wasters, wankers etc? If so, what is your technique? I'm not trying to be flip, I am seriously interested in learning this skill as I obviously do not have it. And, I must caution you, please don't tell me to just put on a happy face. I'm from NYC...more specifically, from Brooklyn, even more specifically, from da hood. (And no, I'm not suggesting that all New Yorkers are these mean, hardened so-and-so's) I would not classify myself as a grump by a long-shot, but I also don't live in the Merry ole Land of Oz, and wouldn't want to. I'm just saying, I consider myself to be reality-based. And I'm seeking a reality-based method by which I can let some of this stuff, how did pixel put it? "act like a duck and just let it roll off your back." Fascinating.



Well, I can't specifically relate to the frustration of searching for a partner, but when I get frustrated I do some things that I'll share:

1) tell my friends (and family)

2) write about it in a story or in a journal (privately)

3) read some books on other peoples' BDSM experiences and get validation for not being alone

4) eat chocolate

5) bake something -- I succeed with something and get to eat it too!

6) and now I have this "Smush Bush" doll that I can mush up in my fist when I get frustrated -- I don't think little George here will last long

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/4/2007 11:59:30 AM   
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MNN, I can understand your frustration.  I have received thousands of emails on this site from people professing to be real, true, and everything else you can imagine, just as I'm sure you have gotten many of the same emails, and probably from some of the same people.  I have set up meetings with more than I care to count (read somewhere between 80 and 100), and out of those maybe 10 have actually shown up.  Two of those ten turned out to be someone I actually wanted to spend time with, but nothing further than that. 
 
During the time that I was searching here on CM, I was also out and about in the community attending munches and functions.  I didn't make looking my first priority, I made my happiness my first priority.  I was out having fun, playing with all kinds of people and enjoying it.  One night, when I least expected to run into the sub of my dreams, I did.  We have been together for almost a year now. 
 
I know that the old cliche is that you will find something as soon as you stop looking for it, but I don't think that's necessarily true.  I found my happiness just as I was pursuing it.  My focus was not a search and destroy mission to find the sub I longed for, but to enjoy myself and my life and the details just fell into place.
 
As for her, just before we met, she swore off relationships completely and decided that she was going to live the rest of her life happily single.  See how that worked out?

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/4/2007 1:16:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressNoName

Now, let me jump back to pixel: I have considered what you've said and I first of all want to point out that the "negativity," you refer to is in my journal entries, not in my profile proper. And those journal entries were used for simple ventilation...folks use their journals for all kinds of reasons and I don't think my usage of it is much different from most. Also, those entries were very experience-specific and certainly not directed at anyone who is truly sincere. Still, I do understand your point - you are addressing it's power to positively attract others...I do get it.

- snip -

Now, the other point...several people have talked, including pixel, about just ignoring the rude ones, the curious georges, etc...ok, great advice...how does one do that? I mean, have other people found some way to simply not get frustrated with time-wasters, wankers etc? If so, what is your technique? I'm not trying to be flip, I am seriously interested in learning this skill as I obviously do not have it. And, I must caution you, please don't tell me to just put on a happy face. I'm from NYC...more specifically, from Brooklyn, even more specifically, from da hood. (And no, I'm not suggesting that all New Yorkers are these mean, hardened so-and-so's) I would not classify myself as a grump by a long-shot, but I also don't live in the Merry ole Land of Oz, and wouldn't want to. I'm just saying, I consider myself to be reality-based. And I'm seeking a reality-based method by which I can let some of this stuff, how did pixel put it? "act like a duck and just let it roll off your back." Fascinating.

Oh and MzMia - thanks for the support but as I stated, I believe pixel was referring to my journal, not the profile itself.



Hi MNN!
Actually I was referring to both your profile and your journal.  Your journal is definitely more negative than your profile.  Its my opinion that both could use some positive reinforcement.  Let me also add that your profile is FAR more positive than many I have seen here on CM!   I wanted to make that point as yours is clearly NOT a poster child example of all that I was referring to!  However, even your profile uses many (sic) "DO NOT", "NO This" or "NO that" throughout it, which could be restated in some kind of positive manner or simply omitted.  No disrespect intended, but even your profile name is not exactly inspiring in that it contains "NoName".  A sub wants a Mistress who is creative and you can't even seem to come up with a name.   Not to sound harsh, but what does that say to subs about your ability to be creative when it comes to other things?  If you want a worthy sub who might even be "the best", are you offering the same?   If so, then your profile needs to reflect it, just as a commercial for an auto or some other product you might see on TV needs to do the same in 30 seconds.  Do they spend time telling consumers who qualifies to "buy" their products in the time they have to highlight all the great features they have to offer?  Do they begin with what they think is the worst of their features or what they failed at when they were designed?  I hope you see my point as a person's profile and their journal is their chance to tell what they have to offer a sub (or Domme as the case may be) of their dreams.   And for the record, I consider my profile to be far from perfect too (the latter being something which describes me to a "T")!

On to other things...  You've asked how people learn to ignore the frustrating posts from those who don't meet your expectations, anger you, or are outright offensive.  The analogy which I had used, was shortened in my post, but actually goes like this: "Be like a duck and just let the water roll off your back."  That's something of a Zen-like saying, meaning not to allow yourself to internalize something or to take it personally.  The post is a reflection of the sender, not of you.  If you take it personally, you give power to it.  But as you've noted, not doing that is easier said than done.

At the root of what we're really talking about is anger/stress management and letting go of things which "cause you to feel angry"No person or any event has the power to "make you angry" unless you allow it to.  That is the essence of the most important thing you can learn.  So the question becomes, once you realize that you are angry, how do you let go of it as you are learning not to let other things aggravate you and have the power over you to cause you to feel anger? 

There are a variety of ways and you will need to experiment to find what works for you.  For some, meditation works to help with all of life's annoyances.  Some use exercise to release their stresses and it works very well for them.  In the past, it has been very effective for me, especially when I was younger and raced bicycles as a hobby.  Taking a walk or listening to relaxing music can also do it for some.  Petting the dog or playing with children works for others.  You can pamper yourself with a scented bubble bath by candle light, do Yoga or get a massage when you feel things building up.  There are relaxation tapes and books with breathing techniques and other ideas/methods for dealing with stress and anger which you can also purchase. 

In the particular case of the posts that annoy you, writing about it (and other events) in a journal works for some just as you've been doing here.  I suggest however that you instead use a private journal or one posted elsewhere (IMO, part of the reason blogging has become so popular).  I don't know how well journaling has actually been working for you to release things at that moment they occur though. 

As an aside, one of the things that happens is that when we get annoyed by many different things throughout the day or week, etc., they accumulate, and then often get vented all at once when they are released by something in particular (called displaced anger).  For example, and I have no idea if this is true as its just an example: as is obvious of others here on CM, you might be releasing or focusing all of your frustrations of the day when receiving an offensive or unwanted post from a potential suitor that is not the kind you wish to receive.  One thing that might work is to print the post, crumple it up, and then throw it in the trash.  As you do, visualize yourself letting go of all the anger associated with the post.  You will want to mentally associate the physical act of tossing it in the trash with releasing all the anger from your mind and your body (try to see your face in your mind turning from anger to one of a pleasant smile as well).  If you pay attention, you'll notice that not only are you mentally & emotionally angered, but your body will feel tense as well, perhaps your stomach might not feel well or there may be some other physical manifestation that also needs released (this is why some people get ulcers). 

At first this may not work well or seem silly, but with practice, it likely will help.  Taking a deep breath, holding for a count of ten, and then slowing releasing it and mentally visualizing yourself letting go of the anger as your muscles relax is another method of also ridding yourself of the frustration over things.  There are lots more, but far too many to go into here.  I just hope something I've described strikes a chord with you and helps or gives you an idea for something else that will be effective for you.

- pixel


< Message edited by pixelslave -- 1/4/2007 1:21:11 PM >


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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/4/2007 2:27:28 PM   
MistressDolly


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressNoName

Now, the other point...several people have talked, including pixel, about just ignoring the rude ones, the curious georges, etc...ok, great advice...how does one do that? I mean, have other people found some way to simply not get frustrated with time-wasters, wankers etc? If so, what is your technique? I'm not trying to be flip, I am seriously interested in learning this skill as I obviously do not have it. And, I must caution you, please don't tell me to just put on a happy face. I'm from NYC...more specifically, from Brooklyn, even more specifically, from da hood. (And no, I'm not suggesting that all New Yorkers are these mean, hardened so-and-so's) I would not classify myself as a grump by a long-shot, but I also don't live in the Merry ole Land of Oz, and wouldn't want to. I'm just saying, I consider myself to be reality-based. And I'm seeking a reality-based method by which I can let some of this stuff, how did pixel put it? "act like a duck and just let it roll off your back." Fascinating.
MNN


Hey, fellow Brooklynite :)

*Your thoughts are your reality.   You cant control outside events, you can only control how you will  interpret and  feel about events.  It is not the event that causes you distress, it is the way in which you decide to react.  eg., You get into a fender-bender minor accident on the way to work one morning.  You feel awful, pissed and totally bent-out-of-shape (pun intended).  If this very same accident happens to you 3 years from now but you've just started a new romance, or your sister just had a baby or you are about to graduate from college -  you could very well have a  totally different and lighthearted response to this very same accident and say:  Oh well, a little hassle but ah, life goes on. Same event [car accident], two different reactions.   You don't necessarily need to have a future filled with pleasant promises to do this (I just used those pleasant circumstances to prove my point), you just need to realize:   It's life.  Life comes with both the good and the bad- instead of fighting it, roll with it.     

"You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength." Marcus Aurelius

It's not easy, especially if you're accostomed to thinking one way, but it is possible.  

*IMO (for those that may take offense that I am speaking for them. )  :P

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/4/2007 4:48:00 PM   
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Thanks for the advice, all...tammyjo, where can I get one of those smush bush dolls? Had I known something like that was on the market I'd've included it on my x-mas list.

BTW, pixel, there is a big difference between feeling frustrated about a situation and taking people's comments personally. If I took personally all the horrible things that some emailers have said to me, I would've deleted my presence here a LONG time ago. Trust me when I say, I know that what people say is a reflection on them, not me.

Seriously, I AM in the market for one of those dolls.

MNN

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/4/2007 7:08:16 PM   
MzMia


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressNoName
Thanks for the advice, all...tammyjo, where can I get one of those smush bush dolls? Had I known something like that was on the market I'd've included it on my x-mas list.

BTW, pixel, there is a big difference between feeling frustrated about a situation and taking people's comments personally. If I took personally all the horrible things that some emailers have said to me, I would've deleted my presence here a LONG time ago. Trust me when I say, I know that what people say is a reflection on them, not me.

Seriously, I AM in the market for one of those dolls.

MNN


I like your spirit!  Write your journal/profile the way YOU want it written.
I don't think you want a submissive that is looking for Mistress Make Me Feel So Good.

I think you are marvelous, good luck.
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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/4/2007 8:40:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressNoName

I'm just really frustrated beyond belief with this search for the right sub/slave. I know that perhaps my frustration may be in and of itself self-defeating, but, wow, am I ever tired of one-line emails, subs who only want to meet via web-cam or yahoo messenger, argumentative and anxiety-ridden subs, you name `em, they've contacted me.

Can anyone relate to this, or am I wasting my energy with this? I would sure appreciate some insight and support. Thanks.



Yup, I can relate.  I had to get off that train.  I started by clearly telling people I'm not interested in their kink so don't bring it to me, I'll ask for it if I ever want it.  Then I policed that boundary by not even bothering to respond to emails that do not respect that boundary.  If they email me and the only thing they have to tell me is what makes their dick hard then I simply delete unresponded.  All the Ma'ams and Mistresses in the world won't fix that.  Then, I stopped looking.  It was a GOOD thing for me.  Just stop looking.  Be available for the right kind of company, but abandon the search.  It just gets in the way.  If you feel you really 'need' a submissive then I'd suggest you examine that motive more closely - there may be something in it for you.

Then just kick back and make friends.  You might be surprised by the magic of serendipity.  Yeah, it's cliche but true.  It won't happen until you stop trying.  Just be available to the kind of company you want and don't waste time on the kind of company you don't.  As a domina you're going to be approached as a lifesupport system for fetish delivery by some individuals.  Hell, probably by most individuals.  If you engage those individuals then you're going to get what you made, which is to say frustrated and overwhelmed.  Why bother with all that if it's not increasing your chances of making what you want? 

If they don't add value they are not a match.  The end.


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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/4/2007 8:53:58 PM   
pixelslave


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia
I like your spirit!  Write your journal/profile the way YOU want it written.
I don't think you want a submissive that is looking for Mistress Make Me Feel So Good.



MzMia,
You've been a very positive influence on this forum and I've been greatly impressed with all the energy you've put into encouraging participation here over the last month or so.  However, this is one time, I have to take exception to your posted comments as it appears to be a reference to mine. 
 
What I'm about to say, has nothing to do with MNN.  Each and every one of us is fully entitled to write their profile the way they wish to and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.  Ditto for their journal.  They may of course expect to obtain the results the content in their profile and journal reflects and merits.  In no manner did I ever suggest that a profile or journal should be written in the format of "Mistress Make Me Feel So Good".  My intent was only to convey that as a sub who does read profiles and journals before deciding whether to contact a woman, it greatly offends me and totally turns me off to read one that is filled with lots of negative comments intended for those who won't bother to read them to begin with and it only conveys to me the negative, jaded, and perhaps unrealistically perfectionistic attitude of the woman who has posted the profile.  A woman who might have otherwise seemed compatible, no longer appears attractive to me after reading her rants and often endless lists of what it is she doesn't want instead of what it is she has to offer as a woman along with what it is she actually wants from a man and a sub!  Most Dommes that post here say that want a man to get to know them as a woman, but few seem to tell us hardly anything about themselves as a woman in their profiles.   Its incredibly hard to write an introductory message, asking about a woman, whe she offers little information about herself as a woman instead of only as a Domme! 
 
I hope you understand my point, that as a sub who genuinely is looking for a Dominant Woman with which to have a relationship, I genuinely dislike being lumped into the category of all those who have previously offended a woman and am not into reading about their every offense while trying to learn something about her beyond that she's angry about men who had no common sense and who most likely were not even submissive, let alone had any ability to show consideration for the desires and wishes of a woman in search of her ideal submissive!
 
To me, this just wreaks of an "us" vs "them" mentality instead of trying to bring the two together to help understand what it is that both want and expect from each other in order to make a connection as well as to help each other find suitable partners.  I personally think that's unfortunate.   Just my $0.02 for the day...
 
 - pixel

< Message edited by pixelslave -- 1/4/2007 8:57:49 PM >


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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/4/2007 9:15:58 PM   
MzMia


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quote:

ORIGINAL: pixelslave
quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia
I like your spirit!  Write your journal/profile the way YOU want it written.
I don't think you want a submissive that is looking for Mistress Make Me Feel So Good.



MzMia,
You've been a very positive influence on this forum and I've been greatly impressed with all the energy you've put into encouraging participation here over the last month or so.  However, this is one time, I have to take exception to your posted comments as it appears to be a reference to mine. 
 
What I'm about to say, has nothing to do with MNN.  Each and every one of us is fully entitled to write their profile the way they wish to and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.  Ditto for their journal.  They may of course expect to obtain the results the content in their profile and journal reflects and merits.  In no manner did I ever suggest that a profile or journal should be written in the format of "Mistress Make Me Feel So Good".  My intent was only to convey that as a sub who does read profiles and journals before deciding whether to contact a woman, it greatly offends me and totally turns me off to read one that is filled with lots of negative comments intended for those who won't bother to read them to begin with and it only conveys to me the negative, jaded, and perhaps unrealistically perfectionistic attitude of the woman who has posted the profile.  A woman who might have otherwise seemed compatible, no longer appears attractive to me after reading her rants and often endless lists of what it is she doesn't want instead of what it is she has to offer as a woman along with what it is she actually wants from a man and a sub!  Most Dommes that post here say that want a man to get to know them as a woman, but few seem to tell us hardly anything about themselves as a woman in their profiles.   Its incredibly hard to write an introductory message, asking about a woman, whe she offers little information about herself as a woman instead of only as a Domme! 
 
I hope you understand my point, that as a sub who genuinely is looking for a Dominant Woman with which to have a relationship, I genuinely dislike being lumped into the category of all those who have previously offended a woman and am not into reading about their every offense while trying to learn something about her beyond that she's angry about men who had no common sense and who most likely were not even submissive, let alone had any ability to show consideration for the desires and wishes of a woman in search of her ideal submissive!
 
To me, this just wreaks of an "us" vs "them" mentality instead of trying to bring the two together to help understand what it is that both want and expect from each other in order to make a connection as well as to help each other find suitable partners.  I personally think that's unfortunate.   Just my $0.02 for the day...
 - pixel


I understand what you are saying.  You are positive and enjoy seeing positive energy.
I think sometimes what one person perceives as negative, others don't see as negative.
Some of us enjoy reading how someone really feels, be it positive, negative, happy, sad, etc.
I don't see that as having a  bad or negative persona.
I see it as an indication of what the person has experienced.
I don't mind a submissive approaching me, with a profile that says he is disappointed and has been let down.
As long as he does not sound as if he hates women or is hateful or mean, it does not bother ME.

Actually, I don't like profiles that are "too upbeat", often I feel they are "hiding" something.
Some of the meanest and nastiest people I have encountered online, had screen names like "Kindsub4you" and
"Sweetsubmissive", "Niceguylooking" etc.  I RUN from these profiles. LOL
 I do see your point, and we have a right to peacefully disagree.
Thank you for your post.

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/5/2007 5:25:10 AM   
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Excellent points, MizSuz and thanx again for the support, MzMia. Will be carefully considering your points.

MNN

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/5/2007 7:45:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressNoName

Thanks for the advice, all...tammyjo, where can I get one of those smush bush dolls? Had I known something like that was on the market I'd've included it on my x-mas list.

BTW, pixel, there is a big difference between feeling frustrated about a situation and taking people's comments personally. If I took personally all the horrible things that some emailers have said to me, I would've deleted my presence here a LONG time ago. Trust me when I say, I know that what people say is a reflection on them, not me.

Seriously, I AM in the market for one of those dolls.

MNN


It was a gift from my husband. He probably got it in a local store here in our town. I bet if you put "Smush Bush" into google you could find it -- it's printed right on the things butt!

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/5/2007 10:05:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

I understand what you are saying.  You are positive and enjoy seeing positive energy.
I think sometimes what one person perceives as negative, others don't see as negative.
Some of us enjoy reading how someone really feels, be it positive, negative, happy, sad, etc.
I don't see that as having a  bad or negative persona.
I see it as an indication of what the person has experienced.
I don't mind a submissive approaching me, with a profile that says he is disappointed and has been let down.
As long as he does not sound as if he hates women or is hateful or mean, it does not bother ME.

Actually, I don't like profiles that are "too upbeat", often I feel they are "hiding" something.
Some of the meanest and nastiest people I have encountered online, had screen names like "Kindsub4you" and
"Sweetsubmissive", "Niceguylooking" etc.  I RUN from these profiles. LOL
 I do see your point, and we have a right to peacefully disagree.
Thank you for your post.


Hi MzMia,
I agree we all have different perceptions of what we read.  Those perceptions can even vary with our mood on any given day.  I too prefer to know how someone really feels.  I want to know the real woman, and not the on-line persona that she might like to project.
 
I prefer to read a woman's description of what she wants from a man who is a sub.  Repetitive entries of what she doesn't like or what she won't tolerate, doesn't really tell me what she desires from a man.  Instead it only tells me that she's perhaps had some not-so-great-experiences or has decided in some fashion what she believes will not work for her.  
 
Here's an example:  Saying "Attractive and Sensuous 45 y/o Dominant seeks an unmarried submissive male between 35 and 50 to eventually collar for 24/7 LTR." is quite different than saying "Sensuous and Attractive 45 y/o Dominant seeks male sub who meets my standards, with the possibility to receive my collar for 24/7 LTR.  You must not be under 35 or over 50 and you better not be married or some other woman have a claim on your ass as I will quickly find out and you'll be gone!  No fakes, time-wasters, jerks or wannabees need apply!" 
 
This is part of the difference I'm talking about.  The fakes, time-wasters, jerks and wannabees are still going to apply (they're either not going to even read the profile or would gloss past that part of it anyway).  Ditto for the married men or those who are otherwise attached.  The first example said what the person was looking for without framing anything from a negative or angry-sounding point of view or describing anything as what they didn't want instead of what they did want.   
 
I don't feel a need to repeat all that I've said about the rants that I've read, which as you've noted come across as hating the other gender or possibly being mean in their nature.  I only wanted to give an example that illustrated the kind of difference that a person can make in their profile just be restating some things in a more positive manner and omitting the superfluous. 
 
And yes, peacefully disagreeing is part of what I believe these forums are all about.  Its also how I'd hope we would all learn to understand each other better.  Thank you for reading my posts and giving consideration to my thoughts.
 
 - pixel

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/5/2007 10:34:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sissikerin
d) The FEW lifetyle subs that are out here are also overwhelmed with the huge number of "Mistresses" that are seeking tributes. Why tributes?? well because they can't come right out and say they want to be paid.

Yes, I do think that some might be saying they are expecting tributes because they are implying they are ProDoms, but I don't think that all of them do it for that reason. I think there are some that are just feed up with the submissive males that are looking for a free ride from a Domme. Like the gender reversal of a 1950s household.  
quote:

ORIGINAL: sissikerin
e) After writting email after email of any length and detail and hearing nothing at all back in response it becomes weary from our point of view as well to write lengthy emails that don't get a response.

This is frustrating to me as well. Yet, I just tend to move on with my life and look for others assuming they have no interest in me.  

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/5/2007 10:40:40 AM   
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As frustrating at it can be.  Believe me, being an odd ball in the lifestyle, as I am unique in many ways, I have so much against me to begin with.  But, it really is a test of faith.  If you make a 'faith' that there won't be a slave in your life/future--it will come true.  If you create your faith in a positive manner, it will come true.  After all, we do create our own heaven or hell--on Earth.
 
I am a believer, that each person has a place in destiny.  We (in general terms) are threads that creates the tapestry of this lifestyle and or the community.  Each of us touches another person in many ways and unexpectedly so.  And, I say this due to proof provided by the ladies and gentlemen who read the forums and message me in private how I've helped in some way. 
 
I am a believer, that not all of us are given our charts in our journey to find someone quickly.  Yet, those who touch us briefly fill our basket, with experience, knowledge, advice, skills, the gift of seeing in different ways, to problem solve and or to heal, teach, mentor and or be a good friend to those who can use one.  Then, when Providence decides it is now your time--it will be time.  No sooner.  No later.  Not of our timing but that of a higher power's time.
 


First off, I really do love reading your postings, LadyHugs, you have such a way with words. I just wanted to quote the the above section and say that had to be the most poetic and beautiful thing I have seen you post so far. Very well put.

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/5/2007 12:08:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

I understand what you are saying.  You are positive and enjoy seeing positive energy.
I think sometimes what one person perceives as negative, others don't see as negative.
Some of us enjoy reading how someone really feels, be it positive, negative, happy, sad, etc.
I don't see that as having a  bad or negative persona.
I see it as an indication of what the person has experienced.
I don't mind a submissive approaching me, with a profile that says he is disappointed and has been let down.
As long as he does not sound as if he hates women or is hateful or mean, it does not bother ME.

Actually, I don't like profiles that are "too upbeat", often I feel they are "hiding" something.
Some of the meanest and nastiest people I have encountered online, had screen names like "Kindsub4you" and
"Sweetsubmissive", "Niceguylooking" etc.  I RUN from these profiles. LOL
 I do see your point, and we have a right to peacefully disagree.
Thank you for your post.


I agree with you 100%.   I see it as an indication of the person's past experience and they have every right to list what they don't want or like.  Why sugarcoat anything when you know from past experience there's a lot of confused subs out there what really need to consider if they are submissive or REALLY bottoms instead. 

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/5/2007 2:38:46 PM   
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<<I agree with you 100%.   I see it as an indication of the person's past experience and they have every right to list what they don't want or like.  Why sugarcoat anything when you know from past experience there's a lot of confused subs out there what really need to consider if they are submissive or REALLY bottoms instead. >>


Excellent point. It does seem that many male bottoms call themselves subs and slaves without any real understanding what is even meant by these terms and without taking into consideration how differently these roles may be defined from Top to Top. Case in point, a boy wrote to me the other day...his nickname contained the word slave, but he identifies as submissive. When I asked him about this he stated when he first did his profile he was not sure of the meaning of the word and since he cannot change his nick, he just decided to keep it and identify as sub. I know it happens often enough and many people, including myself, upon entering the community identify one way and then find out more about the life and evolve into some other role. I think esp for newbies, perhaps they should not identify at all unless they are very self-aware...and most of us just are not when we are starting out.

< Message edited by MistressNoName -- 1/5/2007 2:41:13 PM >

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/5/2007 2:45:41 PM   
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 Hi MzMia,
I agree we all have different perceptions of what we read.  Those perceptions can even vary with our mood on any given day.  I too prefer to know how someone really feels.  I want to know the real woman, and not the on-line persona that she might like to project.
 
I prefer to read a woman's description of what she wants from a man who is a sub.  Repetitive entries of what she doesn't like or what she won't tolerate, doesn't really tell me what she desires from a man.  Instead it only tells me that she's perhaps had some not-so-great-experiences or has decided in some fashion what she believes will not work for her.  
 
Here's an example:  Saying "Attractive and Sensuous 45 y/o Dominant seeks an unmarried submissive male between 35 and 50 to eventually collar for 24/7 LTR." is quite different than saying "Sensuous and Attractive 45 y/o Dominant seeks male sub who meets my standards, with the possibility to receive my collar for 24/7 LTR.  You must not be under 35 or over 50 and you better not be married or some other woman have a claim on your ass as I will quickly find out and you'll be gone!  No fakes, time-wasters, jerks or wannabees need apply!" 
 
This is part of the difference I'm talking about.  The fakes, time-wasters, jerks and wannabees are still going to apply (they're either not going to even read the profile or would gloss past that part of it anyway).  Ditto for the married men or those who are otherwise attached.  The first example said what the person was looking for without framing anything from a negative or angry-sounding point of view or describing anything as what they didn't want instead of what they did want.   
 
I don't feel a need to repeat all that I've said about the rants that I've read, which as you've noted come across as hating the other gender or possibly being mean in their nature.  I only wanted to give an example that illustrated the kind of difference that a person can make in their profile just be restating some things in a more positive manner and omitting the superfluous. 
 
And yes, peacefully disagreeing is part of what I believe these forums are all about.  Its also how I'd hope we would all learn to understand each other better.  Thank you for reading my posts and giving consideration to my thoughts.
  - pixel
[/quote]

What a well written message! You must be a writer by profession.
I understand a little bit better what you are saying, and I even agree!
I can understand a bit of both, explaining what you seek and explaining what you don't want.

I guess its best if you can reach a happy medium!
Thank you for being so kind in our debate.

This is an example of two people who initially did NOT see eye-to-eye having a discussion in
a CIVIL manner, and reaching a happy medium.
I wish I saw more of this on these message boards.
Bravo pixelslave! Now come let me spank you until you totally agree with me!

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/6/2007 7:50:44 AM   
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Most of the time I don't respond to these but I like this one, Try to respond to a profile where you spend twenty minutes typing and get no response from the Domme at all! Or some rude coment back, Many times I just say I like your profile and if she even bothers to respond at all, we go from there. Second Till you get to know someone many things are not their business. Even in your profile you say you like to take things slowly yet on first meeting want to know everything about the person, I see why you get so few messages. Dave

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RE: Need to Vent-Need Support - 1/6/2007 8:19:18 AM   
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Dave,

Actually, I don't say I want to know everything about a person on first meeting. Please show me exactly where I have said that and I will edit my profile. Expecting to know all about a person upon first contact would be an unreasonable and silly expectation. And I'm sorry that whoever received your took-you-twenty-minutes-to-write email did not even bother to respond. That must've been quite disappointing.

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