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Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 7:02:01 AM

TopinPa

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I’ve been a Dom for the past two decades; I’ve only been in one l/t D/s relationship which was with my ex-wife who I haven’t been with for ten years. (She’s since passed away) I’ve been in a few s/t relationships since than but lately I’ve had a big interest in a Master/slave relationship.

So my good friend is a slave in a M/s relationship. Her Master and she have been kind enough to answer any questions I have about the dynamic or workings of a M/s relationship. I know that she’s a Christian, as am I, so I asked how the first commandment; “Thou shalt have no Gods before Me” effected the dynamics of their M/s relationship, if at all.

My friend told me about her Master and her but I’m interested in knowing what other Masters and slaves have to say about this. If you in fact do believe in God; as a slave do you hold your Master above all others? Or as a Master, do you insist that your slave consider you to be above all others? In this world and beyond?

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 7:04:30 AM

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What is an s/t?

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 7:06:26 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

What is an s/t?

Sorry..
s/t = short term
l/t = long term

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 7:13:19 AM

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My Master is not a God and not held above my God. He is, however, held (in my eyes) above all other living beings on this earth. I believe I was put in my Master's hands for my care while on this earth. He does not require me to place him before my God. This was something we talked about prior to my becoming his slave.

This is a good question, as I occasionally keep myself in check on this subject, since in many ways, Master is god-like to me. But he is not a perfect being, and not my God...nor does he want to be.

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 7:24:33 AM

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My concept of God is quite fluid. I believe that the Ten Commandments, just as the New Testament, the Bhagavad Gita, the Book of Mormon, the Koran etc etc were all written by men attempting to express their best understanding of God and this life.

I know that my dom is not God, but I pray to him sometimes and yes, I worship him too.
Then again, I pray to God for my dom.
Until I can say Ive consciously experienced anything beyond "this world", I cant say for sure what happens there, but my belief is that the self as we perceive it does not exist there. Therefore, there is no "I" to hold any "him" in any regard.
I would like to think that in my previous incarnations and in future ones I have and will find and know him, but again, having no consciousness of what happens after this life, I can only focus on what happens while Im here.
I would imagine that those who engage in "Christian BDSM" do not incorporate the concept of worship in their dynamic. Perhaps some would be comfortable with the practice of a certain kind of "devotion" which closely resembles worship, but does not, in their minds, cross that line.
Some Christians are more comfortable with the idea of devotion to a non-divine entity than others. The example that comes to mind is the Catholic faith, inwhich devotion to Saints is a common and encouraged practice. People manage to distinguish intellectually and emotionally the difference between a deep abiding devotion to a Saint and actual worship, and they find a great deal of strength, inspiration and comfort in acts of devotion to whatever Saint they identify with. They still have One God. They still hold their God above all others, but they are able to explore on an intimate level, certain themes through the devotion to a particular Saint. I think that this sort of concept could be very easily transferred to devotion to one's dominant partner without disobeying the first Commandment.

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 7:26:22 AM

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1 Timothy 6:1-2 reads:

All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brethren, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and preach these principles.

Ephesians 6: 5-9:

Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free. And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him.

Titus 2: 9-10:

Urge bondslaves to be subject to their own masters in everything, to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith so that they will adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in every respect.

Do those help?

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 7:30:05 AM

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I am a little confused exactly what you are asking or if this just is something that gets into the “I must show everyone how special I am by telling people how much I worship my Master/Mistress is at a higher level then all others” type thing.

These are relationships and people’s religious views affect these relationships as well. Certainly in traditional relationships your significant other should be first to you compared to others so what is really the issue is how much in comparison to other people around and also the person’s religious views.

For some people the sacrifice of some to most friends and time spent with them and family members for their owner can be quite significant, but I have also seen this in traditional relationships as well. Certainly when entering in a committed relationship some sacrifice is made and in an M/s relationship in this area, that sacrifice can be put on the submissive more than their owner and that would be something I expect to do. For me though I do not see the overall extreme problem of making my Master the number one priority in my life by a long shot and still have the others things in my life including my spirituality. If an owner truly wants 24/7 living and breathing slave who can only think/exist how to please and serve their owner then good luck on a healthy long term relationship.

Religion is an important compatibility issue. Too big of a difference would probably be too tough to bridge. If a slave is very religious and their Master wants to forbid them from practicing or making them do things against their beliefs the relationship is probably doomed. The fact is making comments about placing this or that first and the reality of doing that or the fact that this or that do not interact with each other is somewhat theorized living.

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 7:31:41 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RedSavageSlave

1 Timothy 6:1-2 reads:

All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brethren, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and preach these principles.

Ephesians 6: 5-9:

Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free. And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him.

Titus 2: 9-10:

Urge bondslaves to be subject to their own masters in everything, to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith so that they will adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in every respect.

Do those help?

Yes they do...
Thank you very much

I am still interested in reading others opinions though, but yeah thanks

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 7:40:19 AM

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Holding a mortal master above everyone in earth is hardly the same as holding him above who you believe to be your creator god.

Personally, I hold my partner above everyone else in MOST ways. But I know that my nephews might one day take priority. I know that my sense of self takes priority.

In a good and healthy relationship, all priorities work together and there is no need for a master to make a point about it and somehow prove that they are "the one and only"- most of us have multi-faceted and full lives, and they can all work together quite easily, even within a M/s dynamic.

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 7:41:34 AM

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I'll refer to God's own words to respond to the question. In Genesis, God creates man, in his image. God and man had a one on one relationship, yet he recognized that it was a mistake. God said that it was not right that man be alone, caused him to fall asleep and created woman from a rib. I'll leave it to Biblical scholars as to how an infallible God could not foresee that outcome.

The relationship with God, based upon the Genesis reference, is not and never was intended to be that between people. Obviously God saw this as well during the period of time when it was just God and Adam hanging out in the Garden of Eden. There is a relationship possible with God, or there isn't based upon the "free will" program installed during creation, but based upon God's own actions it is not comparable to man's potential relationship with another human. Human interaction and relationship is better for a human than God as historical fact and action taken by God. Since all this occurred prior to the devil entering the picture, when man was perfect in God's eye, I don't think there can be any debate on the matter. Therefore "above all others" or the first commandment isn't relevant to any human to human interaction.

God, in the creation of Eve, identified a need for a relationship that God could not fulfill. The command was to not put any other gods before him. Pragmatically, no human relationship qualifies. Before worrying about a human being held, or considering himself on the same plain as a god, he should prove he's earned the title by creating something. Without that ability, there should be no concern.

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 7:42:06 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: toservez

...or if this just is something that gets into the “I must show everyone how special I am by telling people how much I worship my Master/Mistress is at a higher level then all others” type thing.

That would be unfortunate, as the spiritual aspect of power exchange dynamics is something I have a particular interest in discussing. I think there is a great deal of richness to be found there...having nothing whatsoever to do with comparison or perceived degree of devotion.

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 7:53:57 AM

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I love my Master and he is the most important thing in this world to me. I don't hold him above God. God is the creator Master is a wonderful man but he is not God. Master is a Catholic i am Proestant we both believe in God.

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 8:00:25 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: justheather

quote:

ORIGINAL: toservez

...or if this just is something that gets into the “I must show everyone how special I am by telling people how much I worship my Master/Mistress is at a higher level then all others” type thing.

That would be unfortunate, as the spiritual aspect of power exchange dynamics is something I have a particular interest in discussing. I think there is a great deal of richness to be found there...having nothing whatsoever to do with comparison or perceived degree of devotion.

I agree. I'm not even sure where comparisons and competition came into the picture here, as I hadn't even conceived of such when I wrote my post. That suggestion seems way off base to me.

I'm finding this thread very interesting already. Merc, your post was quite insightful. RedSavage, thank you for the references.

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 8:02:15 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TopinPa

I’ve been a Dom for the past two decades; I’ve only been in one l/t D/s relationship which was with my ex-wife who I haven’t been with for ten years. (She’s since passed away) I’ve been in a few s/t relationships since than but lately I’ve had a big interest in a Master/slave relationship.

So my good friend is a slave in a M/s relationship. Her Master and she have been kind enough to answer any questions I have about the dynamic or workings of a M/s relationship. I know that she’s a Christian, as am I, so I asked how the first commandment; “Thou shalt have no Gods before Me” effected the dynamics of their M/s relationship, if at all.

My friend told me about her Master and her but I’m interested in knowing what other Masters and slaves have to say about this. If you in fact do believe in God; as a slave do you hold your Master above all others? Or as a Master, do you insist that your slave consider you to be above all others? In this world and beyond?

I indeed place my husband above all others. We are both devout Catholics, though don't say that too loud as there are some here that mock, bait and bash christans. I can reconcile that commandment by keeping inmind that God created woman to care for and comfort man. Numberious times in both testements there are passages about being a good wife and womans role to support her husband. I would not say I worship my husband above my God, I adore him but I do not worship him.

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 8:26:08 AM

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i believe in God and would never put any man above him.

i love, admire and adore my DaddyDom very much however since i'm always a mother first and foremost (Daddy understands this point i'm about to make) my daughters will come first in my life.

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 8:29:41 AM

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well, i do not acknowledge an unearthly god, however my Master is a devoted Christian, very firm and passionate in his beliefs. He knows that i worship him as my God and he views this as right and good. in fact he has even said before, "as far as you are concerned, i AM God," because for me this is true, as he has complete control of my life, future, destiny. He is above all. perhaps if he had a Christian slave he would feel this was wrong, i'm not sure. but for us it works.

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 8:36:21 AM

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My Master is very human, just like anyone else in that regard. God is my creator, not a human full of the flaws that come with that.

I don't confuse the two, and I don't compare them. My Master is above others in my life, but that is because I love him and put him there. My family is just as important, and he is no less, nor.. no more important to me than my other loved ones.. it's just a different type than what I have for them.

Kasha

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 8:46:02 AM

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I believe it is wholly possible to invoke the power of Myth in one's personal relationship without violating or disregarding one's religious beliefs.

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 9:16:13 AM

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Do I hold Master above God? Absolutely not. Trying to compare those two is not fair to begin with.

Do I hold Master above all MORTAL beings? No, my teenager comes first; something both he and I agreed on before I became his property.

Do I hold Master above myself? Absolutely and with out doubt or uncertainty.

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RE: Do you hold your Master above all others? - 1/3/2007 9:16:55 AM

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I'm not sure i believe in God. My opinion at the moment is that the bible is just a book of lovely stories intended to help us live our lives well. Kind of like Aesops fables.
I call my master 'God',although technically speaking i guess due to circumstance he is not my master ....yet. I hold him above all others bar one (my unmentionable who is equal) BUT as 'God' himself says 'sometimes life gets in the way of life' and for a short time i have to make something or someone else my priority.

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