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ORIGINAL: losttreasure
Your "model indictment" appears to simply skip that step.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

When/if the Dominions become as populated and accepted mainstream as CAIR and the Muslim I'll be concerned. Meanwhile - you keep an eye out for them.

btw - you could also have mentioned the American Nazi party, or the KKK and they would have been just as relevant. Their "religion" is no less fringe and the Dominions.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

When/if the Dominions become as populated and accepted mainstream as CAIR and the Muslim I'll be concerned. Meanwhile - you keep an eye out for them.

btw - you could also have mentioned the American Nazi party, or the KKK and they would have been just as relevant. Their "religion" is no less fringe and the Dominions.

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Franklin Graham is the son of Billy Graham and a far more influential figure in the evangelical Christian community than Jerry Falwell or even Pat Robertson. Graham is viewed as the torch-carrier for his father, who is still among the most beloved figures in American Christianity. Moreover, the Graham family is close to Bush. Billy Graham led Bush to Christianity in the 1980s; Franklin Graham delivered the invocation at his presidential inauguration.
In addition to being publicly allied with the Bush administration, Graham also happens to be stridently anti-Islam. His list of anti-Islam comments is long; his most succinct was that Islam is a "very evil and wicked religion."
Graham is also, he says, "poised and ready" to send representatives of the charity he runs to Iraq as soon as possible. His primary purpose is humanitarian aid—providing food and shelter—but he also admits, "I believe as we work, God will always give us opportunities to tell others about his Son. … We are there to reach out to love them and to save them, and as a Christian, I do this in the name of Jesus Christ."

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you can't fathom Christianity being used the same way

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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you can't fathom Christianity being used the same way

To reiterate, it's not the Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists or Miscellaneous, but how they're used and abused to promote political and nationalist goals.

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Now I am sorry to see that this thread has become some sort of pseudo way to bash Islam, kinda like your thread about Islam being a religion of war, but frankly, that thread died for a reason, and I have zero desire to debate that issue with you, you showed exactly how you can't fathom Christianity being used the same way.... We have a president that claims God told him to invade a sovereign country, what does this tell you? I am sure you can find some double standard to justify that in your mind, but I surely can't. Here is something interesing to chew on:

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Now I am sorry to see that this thread has become some sort of pseudo way to bash Islam, kinda like your thread about Islam being a religion of war, but frankly, that thread died for a reason

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If any such action did occur I doubt the pope would be leading the dancing in the streets of the Vatican as Muslim clerics do.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Worse - their leaders make sure I get my opinion confirmed regularly.

An open mind is required here. Imagine if the world viewed the US as 300 million GWBs. I reckon there'd be a fair few red faced Americans (based on the regular statement that this government does not act in Americans' name).
 
I personally view the misrepresentation of Islam as the most dangerous issue around at the moment. It's a big factor in creating the climate for bigotry at one end of the spectrum and invasions at the other.
 
Think of it like this: you don't personally know the people in your government and you don't personally know the people of the Middle East. So why would you take the word of a group of people you have never met who claim that another group of people you have never met are hell bent on killing you? People don't tar Americans with the same brush as a despot such as bush so why can't you afford the Islamic world the same luxury. People are the same the world over. Most just want to get their heads down and make the best of life. Then there are the idiots in all countries who spoil it for the rest.

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You can't fathom the difference between a religion that wanted to accomplish the goal of death or Christian historically and one who has the same goal today. There has yet to be one Christian who's bombed a bus full of children and justified it by his/her religion

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 any such action did occur I doubt the pope would be leading the dancing in the streets of the Vatican as Muslim clerics do

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Pat Robertson a terrorist?
I guess it depends...on what you consider a terrorist.

I mean, take for instance Osama Bin Laden. As far as it's known, he hasn't been on the frontline of a fight since the 1980s when he and his buddies were repelling Soviets with the mujahadeen in Afghanistan with the aid of...the US Central Intelligence Agency. And, he's never strapped a bomb on himself and blown up a cafe.

Yet, Osama is considered a "terrorist" because he preaches "jihad" (Muslim holy war) on the American infidels.

And, Pat Robertson is preaching that God should destroy godless PA, godless New Orleans for harboring those gay heathens, etc. This can only lead the mindless radical Christians to think "If it's God's will, then I should do it."

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Because I'm taking the "word" from the "official source" of people representing they ARE hell bent on killing me, you, and everyone else not them. My right to belief them, yours not to. No 'judgement'.

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In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful

U.S. MUSLIM RELIGIOUS COUNCIL ISSUES FATWA AGAINST TERRORISM

The Fiqh Council of North America wishes to reaffirm Islam's absolute condemnation of
terrorism and religious extremism.

Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives.
There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism. Targeting civilians’ life and
property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram – or forbidden -
and those who commit these barbaric acts are criminals, not “martyrs.”

The Qur’an, Islam’s revealed text, states: "Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though
he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind."
(Qur’an, 5:32)

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Because I'm taking the "word" from the "official source" of people representing they ARE hell bent on killing me, you, and everyone else not them. My right to belief them, yours not to. No 'judgement'.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Because I'm taking the "word" from the "official source" of people representing they ARE hell bent on killing me, you, and everyone else not them. My right to belief them, yours not to. No 'judgment'.

Hmmmmm,.. So Indonesians are out to get you (oh, btw Indonesia has the highest population of Muslims in the world and they are moderate for the most part, but don't let that interfere with your stereotyping)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

...why bullshit? The Muslim council in question tries to take a civilised stance, one that may educate a few young 'uns as to a better use of religion, and people cry bullshit? It's almost as if people want Muslims to be terrorists.......because when they try not to be they still get stick.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Bullshit was called on the assertion that no Muslims are denouncing terror in clear language.
The person who made that allegation was Totally Served.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Considering the past activity in Indonesia I believe they fit the Muslim self model and stereotype perfectly.