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juliaoceania -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 4:57:49 PM)
quote: Welcome to the boards NT. Actually, this is nothing new and kinda mild compared to when things really get rolling. The hypocrisy can get downright stunning sometimes, not to mention the venom. I just happen to really enjoy online needle play. Yes, but I withdraw my consent[:D] You will have to find someone new to engage in your nonconsensual kink with. I have better things to do than to get upset over the hypocrisy I see. The biggest hypocrites are those who are blinded to their own brand of it, and I have never been blind to my own when pointed out to me by someone I respect. Like I have said on another thread recently, my son taught me a couple of years ago how hypocritical I can really be... I just am not in denial about it[;)]

juliaoceania -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 5:00:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NaiveTempest WOW you ARE being snarky. People can't even be nice and try to post calmly to you. I don't feel emotional about this at all, but YOU seem to be very much so if you're gonna attack everyone. Thanks for making this post such a riot. I'll be sure to take my "emotional agenda" somewhere were people don't mind others being nice to them. Tsk, tsk how depressing....I need some Zoloft or Prozac now. I just do not get what you are so upset over, or how I have upset you, but have a nice day and that is NOT snarky.

NaiveTempest -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 5:06:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: we WILL be in Iraq for a long time so get use to it people. Why? Didn't the Republicans lose both the house and senate as a wholesale rejection of the Iraq policy? It's not a matter of will we be AT WAR with Iraq for a long time, just that an American presence with be there for a long time. We're still in Korea for pete's sake and the war was in the 50's. And as for your other post, if the higher ups of some powerful company are doing illegal acts in the name of said company do you blame the average workers at the company that are just doing there job and supporting there families? There are many IN the military that are speaking up, it's not like we're BEGGING to be sent away from home and to war. It's not like we're begging to kill or be killed. People have made cases for the war, people have made cases against it. Will we ever know completely the REAL reasons all this happened? I doubt it. Do I think we were feed lies and twisted info? Probably. But I tell you one think, when an Iraqi comes to me to say thank you for free us.....do I think it was all in vain? No.

WyrdRich -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 5:10:07 PM)
Nope. Implied consent. It's like walking into an airport or courthouse, consent is given when you walk in the door[:D] If you do not wish to be searched, stay outside.

NaiveTempest -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 5:11:27 PM)
LMAO, but that's just it. I'm NOT upset. It seemed to me that YOU were. But if I seem upset to you and you seem upset to me then is either of us really upset? Are we BOTH upset subconsiously? Or are we both just miss reading each others words? Is it okay is that a peace treaty be signed now?

juliaoceania -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 5:14:24 PM)
I am just very adamant when posting politically, and no I am not upset. I like doing more positive things with my energy

domiguy -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 5:17:31 PM)
De-escalate,investigate, troops home now...Seems reasonable to me...Why the venom steered towards a woman who lost her son and now wants answers as to why her son had to die and to what ultimate purpose does his death serve? Every step of the way this administration has either horribly misunderstood the dynamics of the region or has intentionally tried to bring out misguided patriotism by tying Sadam's regime with that of Bin laden or simply wrapping the whole mess as "the war on terror." We should get out. We are fighting in the midst of a civil war...The Shiites feel betrayed because if we allow a true democracy to take root then they should be in charge...and they hate the Sunnis who they feel have been responsible for atrocities against them...and feel we are dealing with their enemy. A mess that can't be solved within one year or a decade so why wait...get out. Build a memorial...perhaps placed at the bottom of Bunker bomb crater...list the names of the deceased... apologize to their families as well as the wounded and explain that all they have sarificed has been done in vain. Our borders are loose...How would we catch a handful of suicide bombers who decided to cross over from Mexico? We can't. Doesn't it make anyone wonder why? Oh, that's right you bought into the bullshit that we are keeping the "terrorists" busy over seas with the war....Imbeciles. Stop being Bush apologists and understand this was never a war that could be won. 16 shitheads fly planes in to the towers... and we forget our responsibilities of being Americans by questioning our government...and we criticize those who do. Under this administration we have lost rights...phone taps(illegal) opening mail(illegal)..just to name a few...Now many of you old poops will sit back and say "if you are not doing anything wrong than you have got nothing to worry about." How Un American! Get out...save the lives and legs and eyes of our fellow Americans. out. D.G. p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.

MasDom -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 5:20:47 PM)
Strips naked for the security guard. "Guard cringes." Hey its your problem now buddy!

juliaoceania -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 5:21:23 PM)
quote: De-escalate,investigate, troops home now...Seems reasonable to me...Why the venom steered towards a woman who lost her son and now wants answers as to why her son had to die and to what ultimate purpose does his death serve? I have SO wondered that myself. I have great admiration for her. quote: Stop being Bush apologists and understand this was never a war that could be won. I believe that is true. The military bases that were planned and are probably still on the agenda seem proof positive we never want to leave Iraq

MasDom -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 5:23:37 PM)
I think we should still stay a little longer. They need a stable sain government before they get their hands on nukes. Also a few treaties so we can go in, and rid terrorists of theirs.

crazychris52285 -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 5:33:00 PM)
why the hell even bother being in the Middle East in the first place? all we've gotten for so many decades of being over there and dealing with corrupt and crooked governments is nothing more then grief. and over what? oil? it sickens me...our men and women being sent to some fucking backwards country thousands of miles away to die for nothing more then the greed of a few. and some say our presence in iraq is the centerpoint for the "war on terror"? yeah, right. too bad we're actually losing it.

WyrdRich -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 5:49:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazychris52285 why the hell even bother being in the Middle East in the first place? Be cause oil is what our economy moves on, and it has become painfully obvious that we value the quality of life of caribou over the lives of our soldiers. Was there food on the shelf last time you went to a grocery store? Money in your wallet or debit card to pay for it? Are you willing to condemn 100's of millions, even billions to starvation when we convert the breadbasket of the planet to production of bio-fuels?

crazychris52285 -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 5:55:08 PM)
i know what you're saying wyrd, but still, all we've gotten is nothing more then grief ever since we first stepped foot on that part of the world. common sense should tell you that somebody way the fuck up in the government chain-of-command has access to other forms of energy...why not put it to use? it'd save us a lot in terms of pollution output, and it'd more then likely end terrorism...that and any policy that dictates absolutely no diplomatic ties with authoritarian regimes too.

Sinergy -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 5:57:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn But, rushing to cut bait, when we don't even know whats on the line, doesn't make sense to me, and is certainly a political agenda. That is probably the most accurate description of almost everything Monkeyboy has done during his time in office. Rushing to cut bait when he doesnt know what is on the line. Thank you. Sinergy

farglebargle -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 6:02:30 PM)
quote: And as for your other post, if the higher ups of some powerful company are doing illegal acts in the name of said company do you blame the average workers at the company that are just doing there job and supporting there families? Didn't we hang Nazis at Nuremberg to make the point that "Just Following Orders" wasn't an excuse?

Sinergy -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 6:06:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: And as for your other post, if the higher ups of some powerful company are doing illegal acts in the name of said company do you blame the average workers at the company that are just doing there job and supporting there families? Didn't we hang Nazis at Nuremberg to make the point that "Just Following Orders" wasn't an excuse? [sarcasm] The rules were different then because we knew we were right and we had the power to enforce our will. Now we know we are right, and we have the power to enforce our will, so "just following orders" is a perfectly acceptable excuse. [/sarcasm] Just me, etc. Sinergy

WyrdRich -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 6:16:42 PM)
I never really bought into the tales of 110 mpg V-8s, or the magic pill that turns water into gas. I see too many hybrid cars sitting on the shoulder of the freeway on hot days to consider them a viable option. We need an energy breakthrough. Probably a workable form of fusion. But the stop-sign never goes up on the dangerous intersection until after somebody dies and I doubt we'll pour the kind of resources that would be required into an alternative energy program until oil shortages are turning Northeast residents into liberal-sicles every January.

Zensee -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 6:17:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich Be cause oil is what our economy moves on, and it has become painfully obvious that we value the quality of life of caribou over the lives of our soldiers. Was there food on the shelf last time you went to a grocery store? Money in your wallet or debit card to pay for it? Are you willing to condemn 100's of millions, even billions to starvation when we convert the breadbasket of the planet to production of bio-fuels? Yay! \o/ Blame the islamo-fascist caribou! And just why should creatures who have no part in our greed and stupdity be made to suffer more because of it? The lives of those soldiers are being wasted by GWB's hubris, not wilderness conservation. If, over the last few decades, a fraction of the resources that have been spent on subsidising petrochemical production and consumption (especially with wars), had gone to alternate, no carbon based energy, there would be no need to commit such atrocities as we are presently witnessing. Not against US troops or Iraqi civilians or American citizens or the world or even caribou. In general, nations must be prepared to fight but battles are best won without firing a shot. If the USA had maintained its presence, as part of the NATO / UN endorsed mission in Afghanistan, and had focussed on restoring infrastructure and protecting a real democracy (not yet another western flunky fest), Saadam would have been powerless, if not delivered to the coalition for the reward money. There would be blood but a lot less than there is now. More importantly there would be a foreseeable end to the situation - which is certainly not the case now. The USA, and by extension the western secular democratic countries (not to mention Iraq and Afghanistan), are far worse off now that they were before :Mission Accomplished" was declared. Z.

Sinergy -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 6:27:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich Be cause oil is what our economy moves on, and it has become painfully obvious that we value the quality of life of caribou over the lives of our soldiers. Of course, this trivializes the issue of drilling in the artic. First off, it is oil sands, not vast underground wells of crude. The refining of these oil sands takes 3-4 times as much energy to refine. Sure, waste the stupid Caribou. Pay 12 dollars a gallon for the gas it makes. Secondly, the total oil reserves in the Alaskan wilderness could supply the US oil needs for a week to ten days. So two weeks after we slaughter the Caribou, we are in the same position we find ourself in today, only worse. Sinergy

WyrdRich -> RE: Pelosi warns Bush: Troop surge won't be accepted (1/7/2007 7:01:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy the total oil reserves in the Alaskan wilderness could supply the US oil needs for a week to ten days. Sinergy I'd love to see a source for this (I can't insist on a link, since I don't do those myself). My understanding is that even exploration has been pretty well blocked and we have no idea how much oil is there. If the oil industry didn't think there was enough to cover the extreme cost of exploration, extraction and transportation, followed by profit, it wouldn't be an issue. Your estimate strikes me as being a tad low. Or is snarkiness an STD? I have a tendency to get a bit metaphorical in my style of communication and often make the mistake of assuming that others are smart enough to pick up on that. Beyond the unknown quantity of ANWR, we also have the offshore deposits that cannot be tapped due to environmental restrictions and shale oil that cannot be refined without a tremendous environmental price. Nice beaches to surf on are obviously much more important than the lives of our troops as well.

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