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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 9:39:19 AM   
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Of course submissives have rights, If we didnt, then we would be called slaves....


HORRORS!!!!!!   Oh no ..not THAT!!!!   ROFL!

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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 9:40:41 AM   
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but there comes a point when its not voluntary and they want to get out surely they can do that. I agree with most of the above Lashra . You strike me as a woman who sees the real picture and  has her head screwed on. Sadly most Mistresses do not see beyond their greedy desires and building their own empire of wealth at the slaves expense. Thats the only point im making but youve expressed it well yourself. Thank you
shamed

Sure if a sub or slave is unhappy with how the relationship is going they can leave. I have only seen one view or lifestyle of slavery that stated a slave could never leave, if she did she would be brought back. My advice don't get involved with that sort of thing because it sounds a bit whacky to me.
If your needs aren't being met and this person is draining you financially, then I would say they do not have your best interest at heart but instead their own greed. Get out and move on. I know thats very hard for alot of subs/slaves because they get so attached to their owners. If someone is more concerned about whats in your wallet then whats going on in your heart or head..big RED flag. "A fool and his money are soon parted" very wise words. Don't be the fool.

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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 9:42:06 AM   
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Yep!!! it is true!!!

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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 9:43:42 AM   
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Of course submissives have rights, If we didnt, then we would be called slaves....


I doubt very highly that any of us live in slave owning societies therefore slave have rights too. If you don't agree, see which side a police officer or a judge takes if your slave should decide to call on them for any reason.

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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 9:52:25 AM   
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you talk a lot of sense and im glad your not into money domination yourself, heck if you were slaves would be penniless because you could make millions with the sound advice you give, only kidding
keep well
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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 10:09:19 AM   
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HIS devious ways?   What planet do you originate from?
HOW do devious and manipulative equate to "criminal" on their own merit? 

EXAMPLE, I tell you that in order for you to respond to this post you MUST give Me $1000.   Where is that criminal?  Devious, yes. Manipulative, maybe. 

But YOU have the right to ignore Me, respond to Me, or send Me the $1000.  At what point did any criminal act take place?  If you CHOOSE to send me $1000... yippeee lololol  and if NOT...... good for you, you saw the ruse.

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well im sorry mate anyone who demands money off someone they barely know is a criminal, a DEVIOUS MANIPULATIVE CRIMINAL END OF STORY. if you do that and it sounds from your piece that you might, well lets just say, i have zero respect for you and i hope you get whats coming to you
God bless you and may he help you to get out of your devious ways
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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 11:34:26 AM   
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well i do think people are nasty who ask for money from vulnerable individuals

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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 11:38:20 AM   
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again a huge contradiction you are, you claim to love christianity yet think nothing of asking for money from an individual you do not even know
have you ever heard the commandment , it is one of only ten
"you shall not covet your neighbours goods, his house or anything that he owns"
By asking for money from someone you do not know, you are doing precisely that, you are desiring something that is not yours
god bless
shamed

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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 11:42:48 AM   
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If you wish to know who said this, it is the leader of Chrisitianity, the one we are all bound to love and obey -JC (Jesus Christ)  We all im sure hope to go to heaven, God will help us get there.  No where is it said that anyone is not saved. Everyone can be redeemed
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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 12:06:47 PM   
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noone is required to bow down to, obey, etc. to anyone ....... unless u are under 18, or over 18 and still living with your parents.  this is america...........  some people are rude and being domme or sub or slave...........  anyone who wants to own, use whatever another person........... must also be considerate of that person......... if not MOVE ON.   its like a person with his or her pet, we must care for the pet, and not abuse it, but correct it and train it....... try kicking a dog... its more time in the big house then child abuse in some cases. 

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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 12:08:15 PM   
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Sorry mate but equality has EVERYTHING to do with.  If there is not mutual respect between Dommes slave and an agreement to treat the person with respect and equally in general life there is nothing. Play is different of course it s ok once a week or whatever by consensual agreement that the Domme plays the wicked stepmother or cruel boss or whatever and the sub must do everything she says. But this and this is where I broke away from my current Dominant Lady, im separated at the moment, because of the fact she wanted to treat me cruelly or her fashion day in and day out , I would never be anything but a slave to her mere property and would be treated as such including having to sleep on the floor every night and outdoors as punishment if necessary and that I would have to give everything I owned to her, I would have no treats , no rights, no privileges except the ones she allowed, she would control everything, I could not have it that way and told her so . At the end of the day my friend we are all human beings and deserved to be treated with kindness and respect with everything 50/50 in chores and everything apart from play where of course we assumen the submissive role but to be subordinate to her in everything to be totally controlled that I could not accept.  And im sure a lot of people would agree.


shamed,
In a vanilla relationship, I'd agree that equality has a great deal to do with it, but not in a D/s relationship.  I understand where you are coming from, believe me I do!  I walked away from an abusive relationship myself with a former Mistress/wife.  Those kinds of entanglements are not exactly easy to extract yourself from, especially if there are children involved.  The courts and legal system here in the States are geared to protect women who have been abused and not men who are being taken advantage of or in any way abused by a woman.
 
My saga of many months to retain my rights as a father will soon be over; most likely sometime near the end of next month.  I have had to prove I was fit to take care of my unmentionables during visitation with me, even though I've been doing that since the beginning, yet sadly I expect I will most likely lose some of the visitation I had previously negotiated to have with them.  Their mother simply reneged on our agreement and got a court order to have us evaluated by a court psychologist; something greatly to her advantage.
 
From your description it sounds as though your wife/Mistress decided to change the rules defining your D/s relationship without renegotiating them with you.  To most in this lifestyle, this would be a breach of what is considered acceptable treatment of each other in a power exchange.  I still seek a loving woman with which to have a D/s relationship in an equitable power exhange where things are explicitly agreed to in the form of a contract that can regularly be renegotiated as the situation merits.  I recognize that we as people grow and change with time and experience.  Our needs, wishes, and limits will tend to change with time in such an arrangement. 
 
As I assume (we all know what that can mean) you are recently separated, it sounds as though your emotions are probably raw and that you likely need time for them to begin to heal.  D/s relationships by design aren't equal, but it is my opinion that equal respect is still due a sub from a Dominant as is normally expected of the Dominant by her submissive, but in a much less formal manner. 
 
D/s relationships are symbiotic by nature.  A Domme cannot dominate without a submissive who will submit to her.  If I agree to submit to a woman, I believe I am due her respect for having the strength and courage to do so.  Exactly what I am willing to submit to and the form of domination she is willing to provide in the exchange of power is something that needs to be negotiated before submission or domination begins by either party.
 
What works for one couple may be totally different for another.  It is entirely up to each person as to the nature of the relationships they'll be having with their partners.  I don't believe it is for us to judge the relationships of others, only to decide what we are willing to accept for ourselves.
 
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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 12:09:37 PM   
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*pops into the thread and sells the crowd little bags edible pellets to feed the troll*

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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 12:34:52 PM   
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*pops into the thread and sells the crowd little bags edible pellets to feed the troll*


*takes the troll pellets and throws them to her turtles instead* maybe if we don't feed them, they'll dive of starvation......

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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 1:04:55 PM   
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your bang on the money, that is precisely my point

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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 1:08:19 PM   
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thank you pixelslave, i d like to let you know there was no changing of the rules, the dynamic was wrong from the start, she wanted to own me, i will soon be getting back with her but not as her slave and she has agreed to this, please do not ask me to go into this it is too complicated

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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 1:10:59 PM   
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Well obviously, I would think when it comes to financial domination especially you ought to have (unless it's a prodomme) a 24/7 lifestyle situation with extreme trust involved.  And perhaps some knowledge that your old age will be taken care of and you won't be left a penniless  sub/slave?  It just seems to me if she's a good investor you'd both come out ahead, right?

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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 1:53:43 PM   
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I'll buy one, but I'm holding on to mine for the next time I feel like feeding one.      M

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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 3:06:47 PM   
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well im sorry mate anyone who demands money off someone they barely know is a criminal, a DEVIOUS MANIPULATIVE CRIMINAL END OF STORY. if you do that and it sounds from your piece that you might, well lets just say, i have zero respect for you and i hope you get whats coming to you
God bless you and may he help you to get out of your devious ways
regards
shamed



If I walk up to you, show you a gun in my hand, point it at you and demand your money- that is a crime.  I have made a physical threat towards you.  If I am sitting at a computer 3000 miles away from you and I demand your money- that may or may not be a waste of my time.  That is up to you.  No threat.  No crime.  Personally I don't get the money slave thing.  But that's my right.  Just as it is his to practice as he wishes. 

To the OP: you have the right to expect the same respect that any online "Domme" might expect. Successful relationships require it.  It may take different forms, but it is in some basis always there.  Unless the two of you have an agreement that you are hers and hers alone, you owe her nothing but the intial benefit of the doubt.

There are some truly wonderful dominant women out there, worthy of respect and devotion.  And when you find her, there will be no question.  Good luck

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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 9:06:09 PM   
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for heaven's  sake it was an EXAMPLE.  As for this religiosity you like to toss around like those pellets for trolls........  LOL your heaping tons of condemnation based on your set of beliefs.

I desire many things that are not mine, difference being I know I cant have them LOL

As you said in one of you MANY previous posts about your profile "it's private".  You exemplify your hipocracy by reading other's profiles yet not wanting anyone to read your PUBLIC profile and making comments on it.  My profile is there for any and all to read.  I choose to whom I justify anything that is on it.  You are not one of them. Operative word is "public". 

I would enjoy a conversation with your alleged Domme (Im not sure she really exits).  Have a good day! 
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ORIGINAL: shamedmale

again a huge contradiction you are, you claim to love christianity yet think nothing of asking for money from an individual you do not even know
have you ever heard the commandment , it is one of only ten
"you shall not covet your neighbours goods, his house or anything that he owns"
By asking for money from someone you do not know, you are doing precisely that, you are desiring something that is not yours
god bless
shamed



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RE: Being a submissive, do we have any rights? - 1/9/2007 9:16:21 PM   
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hi mate, dont mind some of the Mistresses here , like in real life you get females here who are just completely off the wall, some are downright cruel and some are just way over the top. Like that Najakacharmer for instance or whatever her name is called, now she needs her head examined. Seriously there are no serfs today if she expects everybody to just  worship her and have the slave doing everything, well let's just say she's not living in the real world. What a bitch!
regards
shamed


Good gods.  Did someone actually think I was serious? 

But it looks like I did get the message across pretty effectively.  If a strange domme you don't even know tells you that you have no rights, you should come over and paint her house, buy her a car and brand her initials on your forehead, even though she doesn't know your name, and you realize that this is incredibly stupid and are willing to tell her so, then you might have learned something.  Good for you!

Now you just have to learn to catch references to the "Exit to Eden" comedy movie. 


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