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LotusSong -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 7:15:35 PM)

Gentlemen.  In case you haven't heard:
 
Women....don't.... have...to....pay...for...sexual....attentions.  They....don't...have...to. 
 
(If they want some but can't get any....  they knit.)



LotusSong -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 7:21:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: aSlavesLife

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

They do because they can.  A man's Achilles heel is his sex drive.  Men hold the lion's share of the wealth and power in his world.  This is THEIR only control over the women.  And the women have their source of control over them via the man's primal drive.
 
When a woman (in general) gives the man what he wants.. he calls her bitch,whore, slut, cunt, twat.  Gee, thanks guys.. and we were being nice like you wanted.  Now, when a woman charges for her favors.. again, she is called  bitch,whore, slut, cunt, twat, but in the latter scenario she has some sort of compensation.
 
I'm a Domme that just simply won't play with a man if it's"going to take my time, be too much trouble, cost too much".  I have things that I enjoy and the tools to create them.  I'm a firm believer that people need to build their OWN play bag with the things they enjoy and not expect others to provide  the hardware.  That's how you solve THAT problem.  
 


My apologies in advance if I am misinterpreting this, but it seems as though you are condoning the stereotype attitudes of both males and females, and using this as justification for charging.


I was just stating the reason why one can charge and the other really has no leverage to.  I'm not condoning anything.  



bandit25 -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 7:25:28 PM)

Well. Lotus, I am not a man, so maybe this wasn't directed at me.  I don't know that men have to pay for it either, to be honest.  Um, I knit cuz I like to, not cuz I'm not getting any.



bandit25 -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 7:28:06 PM)

I don't think that those who charge (or those who pay) are looking for a meaningful, romantic D/s or M/s relationship.  They may just want to get beaten (or beat) without any strings.  I don't know why this is such a big deal to some.  You don't want to pay, don't contact those women.  How the hell hard is that?



domiguy -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 7:31:12 PM)

And Lotus my dear, there is nothing that say that a woman does have to charge for her sexual attentions.  D.G.  is not a fool...I understand that there are men who are "paying"(bandit). Just as I understand there are people buying crack, child pornography, and cigarettes...all different vices and all horrible depending on who you talk to.

All I'm saying is just cause she can, does not make it admirable.

However,maybe it is a good service..."cuz I remember the Domme shortage of  '97 when these poor pathetic male sub/saps were coming up to complete strangers on the street and asking to be flogged....It was so annoying! Femininely dressed men going through cbt withdrawal were overloading our emergency room services.  Truly a tragedy.

out.

D.G.

p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.



bandit25 -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 7:34:38 PM)

Never thought you were a fool.  I don't necessarily think it's admirable either, but I don't think it's horrible either.  I just think it fills a need, that's all. 



BRNaughtyAngel -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 7:38:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

I don't think that those who charge (or those who pay) are looking for a meaningful, romantic D/s or M/s relationship.  They may just want to get beaten (or beat) without any strings.  I don't know why this is such a big deal to some.  You don't want to pay, don't contact those women.  How the hell hard is that?


Well I thought maybe I was missing some vital piece of information as this topic does seem to pop up regularly. [8|] [;)]

Not that I spend countless sleepless nights over the subject, but sometimes, I just wonder about stuff, so I figured I'd ask. [&:] [:D]






bandit25 -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 7:41:37 PM)

Nah, but I also wonder why it keeps popping up.  If the guy doesn't want to pay, then don't contact that domme.  It's not like one of the dommes is going to read this thread, smack herself in the head and say "Of course, they are right!  I won't charge anyone any more".  I mean, what's the point of this?

But then again, I don't see the point to a lot of the posts I read here.  Course that doesn't stop me from reading them.



Lashra -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 7:53:56 PM)

Can we beat this dead horse anymore? Its simple..if you want to pay a Pro then pay, if you don't find a female Domme who doesn't charge. I have NEVER EVER charged a sub for anything, I am not a pro. I am strictly living a lifestyle that I enjoy.

These pros out here charge because they can. Why? Because men PAY them..and believe me these women aren't arm wrestling them to the floor and snagging their wallets.

So let's stop feeling sorry for the "poor" guys who pay the Pros because they are doing so because they WANT too. Let's stop name calling the Pro's because they are in a business and they are making money. Believe me there are Pro male doms out there too doing the same thing, only they keep it more underwraps. Or how about the Master who doesn't work but has 2 or 3 slave girls who do and turn over all their earnings to him...Its the same thing..its business.

~Lashra



domiguy -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 7:56:08 PM)

Yep that is it...just another ethics test....Most of which I know the correct answers just don't choose to always follow...so why would I ever expect more from others.

Lt. Col. Frank Slade: When in doubt, fuck.
———————————————
Lt. Col. Frank Slade: Haven’t you heard? Conscience is dead.
Charlie Simms: No sir, I haven’t.
Lt. Col. Frank Slade: Well then take the fuckin’ WAX out of your ears! Grow up! It’s fuck your buddy, cheat on your wife, call your mother on Mother’s Day… Charlie, it’s all shit
-----Scent of a woman 1992

out.

D.G.

p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.



aSlavesLife -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 8:00:02 PM)

I think I get it now. Prostitution is men exploiting women for profit, and therefore bad. Prodomme is women exploiting men for profit, and therefore good. Yep, I sure see the equality in action. Glad that we have advanced past the double standard.



LotusSong -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 8:01:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

Never thought you were a fool.  I don't necessarily think it's admirable either, but I don't think it's horrible either.  I just think it fills a need, that's all. 


... I didn't say it was admirable.  Just stated the "why".  Guys will even buy sex from other guys.



bandit25 -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 8:01:39 PM)

I don't want to banter with you.  I just don't see it the same way.  I don't see it as ethical or nonethical...it just is.  I'm glad you know the correct answers and I'm not sure what you are expecting from others, but I hope you get it.



bandit25 -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 8:03:39 PM)

But women buy sex from male escorts all the time...what's the difference?  Maybe I am just tired and I'm not making any sense.  As I said to domiguy...I don't see this as admirable, ethical, nonadmirable or nonethical...it just is.



cloudboy -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 8:04:24 PM)

Most of the posters on the board are genuine enthusiasts. You can take heart in that.

Also, its easy to avoid Domme's pursuing the financial angle, and generally they aren't solicitious or deceptive about what they want or do either.

So, although its a contentious topic, its also one that's easy to let go.



MsSlaveDriver -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 8:05:04 PM)

I am not a professional dominant, but I can understand why many charge.
Many of the "submissives" online only want someone to dress up in fetish
wear and "play" with them.  Many are married or in vanilla relationships.
They want no committment at all.  How many attractive or even non-attractive
women are looking to dress up in fetish wear and play with strangers that
want no committment?



MsSlaveDriver -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 8:09:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

I don't know why men can't charge...they can do whatever they want.  Now, will someone pay them?  That's the question.


I would pay if the submissive was worth it, and provided a service I was unable
to find elsewhere.



MizSuz -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 8:13:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BRNaughtyAngel

I'm confused!  [sm=whiteflag.gif] <------- see, that's the confused me.

But are people actually paying a dominant money or giving them goodies, and in essence saying.... "Hello Potential Owner of My Heart, here is a hundred dollar down payment, would you date me, fuck me, beat me (fill in the blank me), and hopefully this will develop into a beautiful committed relationship."? [sm=confused.gif]  [sm=hewah.gif]

Just trying to learn here.



Stranger things have happened.



Lorelei115 -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 8:28:22 PM)

You know.. we hear a lot from really vocal men that hate Pro's... Are there any men out there that have used Professionals and enjoyed it? Obviously SOMEONE must be since the ladies are making money. I'd really love to hear a different perspective from the "male prodomme hater" and the "female prodomme defender or indifferent to".



Stephann -> RE: big argument over female dominants (1/12/2007 8:35:56 PM)

Men...don't...have....to...pay...for...sexual....attentions.  They...don't....have....to.

That some men do pay for it has no bearing on dominance or submission.  Money is power, and everyone - male and female - trade power for sex, in the same fashion they might trade power for any other commodity.

That something silly like love should play into the matter, though, almost seems relevant.

Stephan



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