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RE: Good Lord - 1/16/2007 10:18:16 PM   
MasterWilliam55


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Status: offline 		Personally, I'm happy with Sir, Master and Daddy. The other honorific titles are actually a bit disconcerting to me. But each to their own. If others are happy using these titles, that's their business and none of mine. But if your happy calling me DukeofEarl or MasterofAll.....so be it. I'm a pretty laid back God.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/16/2007 11:05:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps our ability to truly worship the One who dominates us is an example of what seperates us from vanilla relationships?

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RE: Good Lord - 1/16/2007 11:51:04 PM   
PossiblyMaybe


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Status: offline 		I think for worship fetishes it really makes sense referring to your the master/ mistress involved as more then "just human". For one, people have a craving for individuation. How often do you want to feel like a unique and beautiful snowflake? Hey, Polaniak might not believe I am but I do. Also, people have very very different senses of spirituality and to many of us there is a very real religious rapture connected to a bdsm relationship where there is enough trust to truly give all of yourself to.

To call a master/mistress God, is to tell him/her that you worship them in a very primal, spiritual, and real way. Worship of the person you love, can be akin to spiritual and religious feelings even in a vanilla relationship. It's a holy feeling. Those of you who have been to subspace (as being chatted about on the boards recently).. know the intensely spiritual feel of it. So why is it weird or hard to understand calling a Top God. Whether it is a fun role playing-ish type honorific.. Or because in your mind you link this relationship so closely to your spirituality.. or because you like to imagine fucking Zeus, really there are tons of reasons for the honorifics.

Why do people role play? Why do people believe in God? Why DON'T vanillas worship each other?

Personally, I am involved with something very intensely spiritual right now as I finally am in a relationship with a person walking the middle road, much like myself. He sees into me on a very basic level in ways I'm not used to and I'm completely in love with him. I worship our love. A lot of us live for love - some don't but I think a lot of us do.

I think of the NIN song (cliche, but appropriate) "You bring me closer to God". I think he does. I like to call him my priest. Because, he is that to me. I am not a "lifestyler" (I think you would call it??) and we only are master/slave in scene, but I even call him my priest sometimes when we are not in scene. He can be very enlightening at times. Oh yea.. and playing a catholic school girl is fun ;)

How often to males call their mistress "Goddess" during worship? And how often is it invested in women in our society to look for their "Knight in shining armor" and how many of us seek out a psychic connection, a holy connection, something superhuman?

IT doesn't seem odd to me at all to think of your dom as more then human. Because none of us are JUST human. It is a choice each of us make in how to view our lover. I think that mutual worship in a loving relationship is good.

There are so many different "typical" role play situations even outside of BDSM where people use honorifics like these such as ren fest, etc. IT surprises me someone would really wonder "why". If you want to know why, you will probably have to ask everyone who's ever said it and consider what each of these honorifics really "mean" in the greater sense of the word. "God" and "DArk Lord" both have very different connotations to all of us.

And also, at the end of the day lets be realistic a lot of us are imaginative, sci fi, role playing, fantasy, anime-watching, boffer weapon weilding dorks. Our vivid imaginations spill out into other things then just wanting a good spanking.

As long as you don't start believing your master is all seeing and all knowing and can read the minds of everyone around you and make money pour from the sky, theres nothing wrong with it. I would *imagine* most of us are not taking this to the level of psychosis but I think like with ANYTHING in life it can be taken too far. I can see where the concern would be about a bad Master/Mistress taking advantage of this worship scenario, but he/she can do that just as easily with someone who calls him/her "sir" or "mistress".

That's just my take on it. Sorry for the long ramble.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 12:21:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

If you love the SCA(not sure what it is...

D.G.

Society forCreative Anachronism
and sometimes it fun to dress up and be a bit silly, I like Renfests! :

p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.


Hahahahahahaha~ I laughed so hard I think lemonaid came out of my nose!

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 12:31:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MaryT

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ORIGINAL: SlyStone

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Ever cry out "Oh MY God" whilst in the throws of some major orgasmic experience?...well most Dominants I am sure say "yes, my dear, scream for me

It depends. When I am feeling existential I slap her and tell her God is dead but there is a risk of ruining the moment, for sur



Plagerizer!  Nitche would kill himself if he knew how you would USE his brilliance!

MaryT, with tongue firmly planted in cheek





Underlined by me.

MaryT, it is Nietzsche. I can easily understand that the way it is written is difficult for non germans (i am still struggeling with english, as every post on the here shows).

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 1:16:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SlyStone

What is with this my master is my God or lord or knight or king business. I mean is this something the women here really believe or is it poetic license, cause I don't get it. I figure a  man is a man and that should be enough but maybe that's just me settling for my dismal reality without lordship or knighthood or sainthood an even remote possibility. Woe is me.



Y'know, I have issues as well. For instance, I'm not this gooey sweet stuff made by bees and found in hollow trees, but sometimes I'm called "honey." I know I've been around for a more than a few years - and even remember most of them, and yet, I've heard and responded to "baby." I know I'm not a dog, cat, gerbil, ferret or fish, and yet still, I've been called "pet" before. So I can completely understand this whole confusion you're sharing regarding words like "Lord," "Master," et all. After all, god forbid (it's a phrase, I'm not calling you that), that ANYONE should have a name for the person in their life that is a term of endearment, an acknowledgment of the control that person holds over them, a nod to the fact that they are, perhaps the most important adult person in their lives.

And I agree, if "ferret-face" (oh wait, that's a pet reference), "asshole" or something else along those lines expressed the depth of my devotion, acknowledgment of his importance in my life, as well as the continued verbal acceptance each time I use the term of his control over me, I'd probably call him that instead. But for right now, Master and Sir really pretty much cover my feelings for him and my respect for his position in my life.

And I also agree that a man is a man and that should be enough - and it is. However, while his name is a man's name with certainly no attempt or expectation to be god-like, I happen to know quite a few people with that name and not one of them holds the position in my life that he does. So, if my endearment, my acknowledgment, etc drives you to drum up a tribble or two, dress in a corset, fishnet hose with platform shoes, or beg and plead with someone to just "beam you up," then that would be your issue not mine, and certainly not his.

As for me, I know his name, call him Sir and recognize him as my Master. It works for me. It works for him. Should you ever petition him to become his slave, and prefer to call him by his given name, I'm sure he'll give your preferences some due consideration. But until then, I guess you'll just have to deal with the fact that for some of us, endearments mean something.

But hey, I've been to those renaissance faires, and it never fails, there's always a sword booth there. So, if my term for this very important man in my life is that disturbing to you, there's always the option of hara kari.

I know, next you'll be taking us all to task about our assertions that we're slaves - or is THAT view something that's understandable and acceptable to you even though actual slavery itself has been both outlawed and was never exactly historically the joy that it is for those of us who call ourselves that today?

juliet

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 1:29:57 AM   
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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 1:37:03 AM   
PossiblyMaybe


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Status: offline 		well put Juliet

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 3:52:43 AM   
adaddysgirl


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ORIGINAL: SlyStone

What is with this my master is my God or lord or knight or king business.


What????  And like 'Master' is the socially acceptable etiquette and other titles are somehow bizarre?  Get a grip....lol.

Maybe we should just all call our partners boyfriend or hubbie.  Afterall, that's what's really acceptable, isn't it?

Daddysgirl

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 4:02:02 AM   
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But now I am wordering about half Klingon, half Elvish Jedi on the planet Gor. Sounds like a great movie idea.


Lmao....i always thought Klingon sex would be hot! But the Lord of my Universe, Master of my world(who often answers "Yes" when i say Oh God) is an Irish biker.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 4:09:21 AM   
SlyStone


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Status: offline 		It's interesting that there are two opposing views here. One is that I drank of the koolaid and it is my reality that I worship my master and to me he is a God. This one is completely foreign to me but I respect it if you truly believe it.

The other is that D/s is a mixture of fantasy and reality. I would like to hear more from this point of view because it interests me. What place and how much place should fantasy and illusion have in a D/s relationship?

My view is that no man is a God, and no man could ever live up to the expectations of a God, and that I like my BDSM steeped in reality.

Room for all of us I hope.



Scotty better beam me down a universal translator and oh yeah send Mccoy's hot nurse to ummmmmmmm operate it.

Kirk out

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 4:14:55 AM   
kyraofMists


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Status: offline 		You don't have to understand it.  At the most you may just be able to offer your appreciation for other people's choices.

For us it has little to do with worship.  It is a Lord of the Manor title for someone who has been knighted.  In our house his word is law and that is the reality that matters to alandra and I.

Knight's kyra

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 4:28:58 AM   
MaryT


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ORIGINAL: dragonchained

MaryT, it is Nietzsche.


Thank you, Ruth.  I knew it didn't look right but didn't feel like looking it up.  I don't know what was harder in philosophy, learning to spell their names or figuring out how to pronounce them. 

MaryT


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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 4:38:11 AM   
MaryT


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ORIGINAL: SlyStone

It's interesting that there are two opposing views here. One is that I drank of the koolaid and it is my reality that I worship my master and to me he is a God. This one is completely foreign to me but I respect it if you truly believe it.

The other is that D/s is a mixture of fantasy and reality. I would like to hear more from this point of view because it interests me. What place and how much place should fantasy and illusion have in a D/s relationship?

My view is that no man is a God, and no man could ever live up to the expectations of a God, and that I like my BDSM steeped in reality. 


Atheists have no expectations of God.   I like my religion steeped in reality. 

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Scotty better beam me down a universal translator and oh yeah send Mccoy's hot nurse to ummmmmmmm operate it.


She was a married woman you know ... Gene Roddenberry's wife.

MaryT

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 4:42:53 AM   
jimbo747


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Status: offline 		everyone's different in tastes.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 4:53:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, Im betting you arent really a dragon, either. Maybe you chose that avatar because it holds some symbolic meaning to you. Perhaps in some way, your own personal myth involves your identifying with the dragon as a sort of archetype.

Is it too far a stretch for you to imagine that people apply archetypes and personal myths to their significant relationships as well?

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 5:30:29 AM   
BeingChewsie


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Status: offline 		Well to cut right to the chase..I have no higher authority than him..so he is God as far as I'm concerned.

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ORIGINAL: SlyStone

What is with this my master is my God or lord or knight or king business. I mean is this something the women here really believe or is it poetic license, cause I don't get it. I figure a  man is a man and that should be enough but maybe that's just me settling for my dismal reality without lordship or knighthood or sainthood an even remote possibility. Woe is me.

Is this coming from the male dominant or is this something created by the female submissive, and if so, what do you get out of it?  Does it excite you to use such a title or do you do it to please your dom/master. Do you  believe your dom/master is more than a man? Do you need to believe that?

I ask this because to me BDSM is about as raw and real as you can get but sometimes it sounds like a twisted renaissance faire with a touch of star trek convention around here and it makes me wonder what is real and what is fantasy and illusion in the D/s relationship circa 2007 via collarchat.com.


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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 5:30:33 AM   
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She was a married woman you know ... Gene Roddenberry's wife.



Nope didn't know that Mary, I guess you could say I cheated on Gene cause I loved that women and that is all I have to say about that.


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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 5:32:19 AM   
SlyStone


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Well, Im betting you arent really a dragon, either. Maybe you chose that avatar because it holds some symbolic meaning to you. Perhaps in some way, your own personal myth involves your identifying with the dragon as a sort of archetype.



That's a dragon? I though it was a fucking lizard!

But honestly it was that or my picture and I aint that pretty so I went with the dragon.





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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 5:33:30 AM   
MaryT


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ORIGINAL: SlyStone

Nope didn't know that Mary, I guess you could say I cheated on Gene cause I loved that women and that is all I have to say about that.


First Nietzsche, now Roddenberry.  You are shameless!  

MaryT

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