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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 12:54:23 PM

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As a former HRH and now HM, I think it is a presumption of someone to assume that the title is not earned or deserved. While mine is hereditary, many titles are conveyed as gifts or rewards. For a submissive to convey such a title on his/her dominant makes perfect sense to me.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 1:14:20 PM

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It's ok because in my discussions with God he explained that there is no such thing as Hell. Oh I know, that some of you doubt me but he was in my room clear as day...red cape,horns,long tail...you know ...God....err...That was God wasn't it? Hello?...That was God...Right?

out.

D.G.

p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.

Actually he's darker, not red, no cape, some wierd looking outfit i cant describe and his face is longer.. and i dun remember if he has horns.. doubtful.. Course who knows? I kept my eyes tightly shut and pretended he wasnt at the end of my bed.. and then it was prolly just a demon = )

There is no God that wears RED. ITS BLACK - get it right! lol

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 4:46:02 PM

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I think I would only have a problem if the Master really believed he was a god! A bit too much hubris there.

Interesting that you would put it that way.

Why is it that If a master believes himself to be a God we would probably label him a dangerous psychotic and administer large doses of Zyprexa so he can sleep at night without hearing the voices of his submissive flock screaming in his head ,but if a submissive believes his/her master to be a God it's ok, no problem?

Just asking.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 4:50:42 PM

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Ahh that would make sense that you would not include this in your dynamic.

Many people who are monotheistic do not get into worship of their human partners either because they feel it conflicts with their beliefs.

I believe we are all God, so my worshipping my partner is just a blessing to me to have found someone I can share that with.

Your blessing would be my hell:)

It's interesting that we are at polar opposites here which is actually very cool because it is a reminder of just how diverse we all are here.

My feeling is that I don't want to be worshiped and I offer none in return, there is no conflict here, I just don't need it and I am unwilling to give it. Respect me, love me, fear me, but do not worship me as a higher power, I am unworthy and in doing so it makes you unworthy to me.

I am neither monththeistic or polytheistic, I am a believer in a some kind of higher power but not one that has any influence on my life past the point of creation of the universe itself, at which point all that is left to man is self destiny, and that I do believe in, without question.

But than again, like WC Fields said, you my find me on my death bed shimming through the bible looking for loopholes, just like the rest of the heathens.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 4:52:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: SlyStone

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I think I would only have a problem if the Master really believed he was a god! A bit too much hubris there.

Interesting that you would put it that way.

Why is it that If a master believes himself to be a God we would probably label him a dangerous psychotic and administer large doses of Zyprexa so he can sleep at night without hearing the voices of his submissive flock screaming in his head ,but if a submissive believes his/her master to be a God it's ok, no problem?

Just asking.

Its basically boils down to the difference between a delusion and an illusion. The latter ok, the former is not. :)

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 5:14:45 PM

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..its just a jump to the left...and a step to the right.....

...anyway. Title is title. Its the meaning it conveys that is important. For instance I prefer to be called Master or Lord. Either or. I prefer Lord. It alights to the ear and has a pleasing sound when its whimpered. Shakespear said it best with 'A rose by any other name...'

...with your hand on your hips...your bring your knees in tight...

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 5:31:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: Jauque

..its just a jump to the left...and a step to the right.....

...anyway. Title is title. Its the meaning it conveys that is important. For instance I prefer to be called Master or Lord. Either or. I prefer Lord. It alights to the ear and has a pleasing sound when its whimpered. Shakespear said it best with 'A rose by any other name...'

...with your hand on your hips...your bring your knees in tight...~J

Then you swing that hokey-pokey flogger with all of your might...
Sorry...couldn't resist.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 8:06:44 PM

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I like to call him "The Great Master God over all that lives and breaths", or GM GOAT LAB for short. I know, I know. It's ridiculous. But it makes us both hot, so there you go.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/17/2007 10:15:32 PM

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Good thing I am on Gor....I'll let the Kurii handle this one

I wish you well

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Ppffffffftttt, all of that's nothing. I am Oh Great Goddess and Mistress, Queen of the flippin Universe.

So there.

(feel free to tack anything on I forgot, I would have done Lady but the Queen outranks her last I knew)

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RE: Good Lord - 1/18/2007 5:57:06 AM

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Its basically boils down to the difference between a delusion and an illusion. The latter ok, the former is not. :)

I don't know brown eyes, the line between the two may be thinner than you think.

I think in the broadest sense delusion is nothing more than internalizing a false belief and refusing to see it as false. Not necessarily a bad or harmful thing. I think the determining factor in that regard is the belief itself of course.

The question is, who determines the belief to be false, who has that right. I think we each make that determination for ourselves as we interpret the world around us and filter it through our own perceptions.

The president of the united states believes that he speaks directly to God, I find that delusional, you may not.

A submissive says that her master holds unlimited power over her and only he determines her future existence, I say that is delusion, you may not.

I find the former harmful because it effects my life, the latter benign because it only effects hers. If I found that her delusion was harming others I would change my opinion.

PS

It's cold and snowing and all things considered I would rather be down on the beach in Ziwataneo downing a plate full of huevos rancheros with fresh squeezed orange juice and hot coffee and a chaser of fine tequila, and that aint delusion that is a fact.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/18/2007 6:25:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Ppffffffftttt, all of that's nothing. I am Oh Great Goddess and Mistress, Queen of the flippin Universe.

Good morning beautiful. You forgot Her Royal Highness the Grand Empress of stray kittens and Heir to the Duchy of Applesauce.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/18/2007 7:38:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: darksdesire

I like to call him "The Great Master God over all that lives and breaths", or GM GOAT LAB for short. I know, I know. It's ridiculous. But it makes us both hot, so there you go.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...remarkably similar to my own "true" name:
Master Of All He Surveys, aka M.O.A.H.S. To my familiars...errrrrrrr, intimates...MO for short.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/18/2007 7:45:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Ppffffffftttt, all of that's nothing. I am Oh Great Goddess and Mistress, Queen of the flippin Universe.

Good morning beautiful. You forgot Her Royal Highness the Grand Empress of stray kittens and Heir to the Duchy of Applesauce.

Good morning to you gorgeous one! Thank you and how the hell did I forget those?!?!? All these wacked out hormones are causing early senility.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/18/2007 1:09:05 PM

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The way I learned the distinction between delusion and illusion is that a delusion cannot, under any conditions, be true, and an illusion is improbable, but could, under specific conditions, be true. (I associate this view with Freud, but I don't know if I'm correct here) The distinction has to do with the rationality of the false beliefs. Delusions are irrational and could never be true, illusions are wrong, but kind of make sense. Illusions are often explainable and some are systematically produced in various situations (Marx's concept of ideology, or Chomsky's notions of necessary illusions.) For the most part, the distinction between whats rational and whats not rational is cultually determined, and depends on social context.

So, given our culture which is, for the most part, either secular, or monotheistic, there isn't a whole lot of tolerance for people who declare themselves to be God. Its simply not a viable option.

So, to turn to your example of the Dom who believed himself to be God...I'm fully secular, and would find it off putting, to say the least, if someone had internalized a belief in themselves as being a God. Its not so much that they had a mistaken belief about theirself, but that they had such an inflated belief about theirself given that to claim that one is a God is also to claim that one is some kind of ultimate being. That is beyond the realm of the probable. If their belief in theirself to be a God was accompanied by the auxilliary belief in a pantheistic system where Gods wander around the earth and they recognized the existence of other Gods, I'd be probably be ok with it and think about it in terms of an alternative belief system that I didn't identify with but could respect.

Turning to the example of the sub who believes her Dom is a God. That seems to me to have more to do with a perception which is influenced by the complex interaction between herself and her dominant. Even though I'm secular, and assume a naturalistic explanation for things, I have strong worshippy tendencies, so her belief makes sense to me. I know from experience that under some conditions that a Dominant can feel like a God and, so long as those conditions persist, he might as well be a God. In those moments, I not only believe in the existence of God, but I also believe the Dominant in question is a God. And all this is well and good, and really cool, so long as he doesn't start believing he's really a God because that'd be delusional. :)

I think I've wound up in a tautology.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/18/2007 1:58:32 PM

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I think I've wound up in a tautology.

You can say that again sister :)

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RE: Good Lord - 1/18/2007 7:01:33 PM

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So where do all the Goddesses fit in here?

DG

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RE: Good Lord - 1/18/2007 7:27:33 PM

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no-one is a god or goddess or Master or Sir or Sublime Subbie Sylph or any POETIC CRAP until they meet in real life and can PROVE IT.

OH, did I accidentally bust some net/cyber fantasy? best I get ready for pitchforks and torches.

It's all like pre-nups for Nillas, folks: the leeches known as attorneys will tell ya they mean jack shit even as they take your $ to tell ya so.

Titulars are bullshit because even the Kermit the Frog look a like that made millions off of "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus" claims a real degree and all he's got is a degree in YOGA, his other degree is no longer withstanding by ANY professional yardstick.

So NO-ONE gets to claim jak shit until the meet and play and fuck and fall in love and it all works out for more than 4 weeks. sorry to bust some bubbles, but that's fucking all there is to it, since all of us, male/female, old/young/ white/non white, lie (on average) JUST as much as each other, and until the proof is tested by the pudding which is PHYSICAL,

IT'S

ALL

AS

PENN AND TELLER SAID

BULLSHIT.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/18/2007 7:42:53 PM

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Goddessessessses...

Breastesses...I like that one better.

Oh yeah... and Paynis. I had a friend that one day all of a sudden couldn't say penis and ended up calling my other friend a Paynis, instead.

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RE: Good Lord - 1/18/2007 7:56:36 PM

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I for one agree with gypsygrl. I do not consider myself to be a god. In fact, I have seen jack squat for there being any god, gods, goddesses, easter bunnies, santa clause, or tooth fairy. If my pet wishes to see me as a god, then so be it. As she mentioned, at least she can see me. I would add to it and say that she can also hear, taste, smell and feel me. In this I would have to say that, delusional though she may be, her delusion is grounded more in reality than the delusions of some others.

After all, I can push start a car with a standard transmission. Can you jump start it with a prayer?

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RE: Good Lord - 1/19/2007 4:00:27 AM

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, I have seen jack squat for there being , easter bunnies, santa clause, or tooth fairy.

Uh Oh ! You did it now. Time after time folks here on cm have made the mistake of slamming Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

I'd offer you a flame retardent suit but after what you said you deserve what's coming to you.

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