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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:06:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, the thrust wasn't that he is doing a good job. I think he is doing a very poor job.
 
The trust was in response to the notion that he hasn't fulfilled any of his campaign promisses. I find that statement to be inaccurate, based on the information provided. The "cause" is to elect leaders based on accurate information, rather than emotional spin. I think emotional spin hurts our side (those that want more sane government), because when we react with emotional spin, thats what the other side does in return ... then we get leaders, like the one we have.
 
We should be clearly issue based in this upcoming election. What would we do, if we get the chance. A campaign based on President Bush being a screw-up (even if that's the truth), will serve no purpose other than getting our own screw-up in office.
 
Just my opinion ... flame away.

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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:08:36 PM   
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I have a question. If Bush was the second biggest threat to world peace only behind saddam hussein according to a british poll, does that mean with saddams death he is now the number one threat?


If a majority of British thought Saddam was the biggest threat to world peace then they fell for Blair's spin hook line and sinker.

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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:11:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's witnessed by the guy I know serving over there. He said half the tanks they captured had no fuel. Saddam's army couldn't get a fucking can of gas, in Iraq.

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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:11:26 PM   
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The trust was in response to the notion that he hasn't fulfilled any of his campaign promisses.


I don't care about his campaign promises, I care about his OATH. And he broke that one pretty damn hard, when he started depriving people of due process, a right to a Writ of Habeas Corpus, ignoring his obligation to obey the Laws of the United States, etc...

Blowing off a campaign promise is so common, it's hardly worth mentioning.



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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:14:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		FB, you are making caitlyn's point very well, methinks.

If you take me as some kind of "right-wing-neocon-true-believer" (which I'm not), I just wanna say, as far as who I would be concerned about in the political battle of wits and control, it's caitlyn that would worry me.

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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:17:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just don't know what to say to someone, for whom breaking an oath is acceptable.

Nor do I know how to respond to someone for whom depriving anyone of equal protection and due process is acceptable.

Must be my Traditional Conservative Values. Truth, Justice, The American Way.



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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:17:33 PM   
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the CG over there said that if the pretzel gets 20K in bodies, that they could wipe it up and be out by late summer, I didn't catch the handle but I  believe he  went to war college  and was a cumma  laude  under  Westmoreland.

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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:18:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you ... but that's not what you said. You said he hadn't fulfilled any of his campaign promisses. That is factually incorrect.
 
This last election, when the left swept the stage, based on bashing Bush ... do you really think that is going to get us any better leaders than we have now?
 
Why not try something different and actually have a leader that can win on what they hope to accomplish, rather than just some guys that aren't those other guys.
 
I'll be honest ... I'm pretty new to the political debate (maybe nieve), so there is probably something I don't know, about what it takes to win. I just know that most people my age, that are actually interested in politics, are just as turned off by the "our leaders are morons" crowd, as they are by the current administration.

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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:21:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

No, the thrust wasn't that he is doing a good job. I think he is doing a very poor job.
 
The trust was in response to the notion that he hasn't fulfilled any of his campaign promisses. I find that statement to be inaccurate, based on the information provided. The "cause" is to elect leaders based on accurate information, rather than emotional spin. I think emotional spin hurts our side (those that want more sane government), because when we react with emotional spin, thats what the other side does in return ... then we get leaders, like the one we have.
 
We should be clearly issue based in this upcoming election. What would we do, if we get the chance. A campaign based on President Bush being a screw-up (even if that's the truth), will serve no purpose other than getting our own screw-up in office.
 
Just my opinion ... flame away.


I'm reading this post and thinking:

1) There's a whole load of screwing, thrusting, upcoming, serving, fulfillment, jobs and leaders going on.

2) The last sentence of paragraph 2 is bang on. The problem is, when you have two parties offering pretty much the same thing there isn't going to be a great deal in the way of debate as there isn't a great deal of difference to be discussed. Instead, they'll just slate each other on things such as military service rather than concentrate on political policy.

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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:24:53 PM   
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he "cause" is to elect leaders based on accurate information, rather than emotional spin. I think emotional spin hurts our side (those that want more sane government), because when we react with emotional spin, thats what the other side does in return ... then we get leaders, like the one we have.


So then you would want to know about bush's grandaddy being tied into the buildup and support of the hitler nazi war machine prior to voting for him right?  You would also want to know the government seized grandaddies stocks under the "trading with the enemy act" in 1942 right?  How bush was involved with them both then and now?  Who they hang with?  How they make their money?  It seems to me these are all good things to know before voting on someone.  Did you see anything on the news media about any of this?  i know i didnt!  Yet its a matter of public record in the national archives since 1942!  Can we be more unemotional that that?  i do not feel putting nazi puppets in office is sane, but on the other hand i never forgot what stalin said.  "it not who wins the vote that counts, its those who count the votes". 

I feel we should all get a numbered receipt for our vote and stop this election rigging bs once and for all.  Thats my vote!


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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:30:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
stalin said.  "it not who wins the vote that counts, its those who count the votes". 

I feel we should all get a numbered receipt for our vote and stop this election rigging bs once and for all.  Thats my vote!



Yep. We all like to think we live in democracies and we are allowed to think that as long as we accept democracy within certain perameters.

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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:44:09 PM   
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I agree with you ... but that's not what you said. You said he hadn't fulfilled any of his campaign promisses. That is factually incorrect.


I'm pretty sure *I* never brought up campaign promises...



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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:44:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
I just don't know what to say to someone, for whom breaking an oath is acceptable.

Nor do I know how to respond to someone for whom depriving anyone of equal protection and due process is acceptable.


I didn't see anyone say that. I certainly didn't say it. You made that up all on your own.
 
Lets move on to the next election. Lets say we elect someone that is really good at getting elected, by trashing President Bush's faulty strategy (which I happen to agree, is VERY flawed).
 
So, we elect that guy ... and what do we get? Do we get someone that knows how to get us out of this mess? Well, who knows. All we really know, is we just put someone in office that knows how messed up things are. Hell, I'm a twenty year old college student from Houston, and I know that. Why not elect me. Under those conditions, I'm just as qualified as anyone else.

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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:45:11 PM   
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This last election, when the left swept the stage, based on bashing Bush



It's not possible that perhaps, it wasn't Bush Bashing, but Bush's Failure to Deliver?



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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:47:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

he "cause" is to elect leaders based on accurate information, rather than emotional spin. I think emotional spin hurts our side (those that want more sane government), because when we react with emotional spin, thats what the other side does in return ... then we get leaders, like the one we have.


So then you would want to know about bush's grandaddy being tied into the buildup and support of the hitler nazi war machine prior to voting for him right? You would also want to know the government seized grandaddies stocks under the "trading with the enemy act" in 1942 right? How bush was involved with them both then and now? Who they hang with? How they make their money? It seems to me these are all good things to know before voting on someone. Did you see anything on the news media about any of this? i know i didnt! Yet its a matter of public record in the national archives since 1942! Can we be more unemotional that that? i do not feel putting nazi puppets in office is sane, but on the other hand i never forgot what stalin said. "it not who wins the vote that counts, its those who count the votes".

I feel we should all get a numbered receipt for our vote and stop this election rigging bs once and for all. Thats my vote!



George W. owns enough failure without bringing up his Nazi-Lovin' Grandpappy, Prescott.



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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:49:57 PM   
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It's not possible that perhaps, it wasn't Bush Bashing, but Bush's Failure to Deliver?


I think we are talking in circles. The people that elected him, think he has delivered, and have some things to point to. To deny they exist, and start calling everyone stupid ... tell me, how do you think President Bush's folksy banter worked the last two times he got elected? 

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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:50:20 PM   
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I didn't see anyone say that. I certainly didn't say it. You made that up all on your own.


I saw someone support George W. George W. is an oathbreaker. I don't know what to say to someone for whom breaking oaths is acceptable.

When you go up there and SWEAR to protect and defend The Constitution, then go out of your way to deprive people of due process and equal protection ( as specified by the 14th Amendment CLEARLY being due all people... ) then you're not worthy or any respect, are you?



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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:52:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

he "cause" is to elect leaders based on accurate information, rather than emotional spin. I think emotional spin hurts our side (those that want more sane government), because when we react with emotional spin, thats what the other side does in return ... then we get leaders, like the one we have.


So then you would want to know about bush's grandaddy being tied into the buildup and support of the hitler nazi war machine prior to voting for him right? You would also want to know the government seized grandaddies stocks under the "trading with the enemy act" in 1942 right? How bush was involved with them both then and now? Who they hang with? How they make their money? It seems to me these are all good things to know before voting on someone. Did you see anything on the news media about any of this? i know i didnt! Yet its a matter of public record in the national archives since 1942! Can we be more unemotional that that? i do not feel putting nazi puppets in office is sane, but on the other hand i never forgot what stalin said. "it not who wins the vote that counts, its those who count the votes".

I feel we should all get a numbered receipt for our vote and stop this election rigging bs once and for all. Thats my vote!



George W. owns enough failure without bringing up his Nazi-Lovin' Grandpappy, Prescott.




well it shows how they made their money, threw financing and arms, and double dealing, i would think it odd for them to take what they feel is success and change it.


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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:53:22 PM   
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It's not possible that perhaps, it wasn't Bush Bashing, but Bush's Failure to Deliver?


I think we are talking in circles. The people that elected him, think he has delivered, and have some things to point to. To deny they exist, and start calling everyone stupid ... tell me, how do you think President Bush's folksy banter worked the last two times he got elected?


Remember my little report card for Bush earlier on? Why don't you take a minute and tell me what your subjective ratings of those objective catagories is and whatever metrics you think are meaningful.

I see someone who would be left back a grade.
Trump woulda fired him the first episode of the season.
And since you can't AUDIT the 2000 election, ( As in a BANK ACCOUNT is audited ) I'm not sure we actually have any real clue what the hell happened. Do we?





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RE: Threat to world peace??????? - 1/19/2007 4:59:56 PM   
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Unemployment is pretty low.


4.5%, right?

4.5% of 100,000,000 =

4,500,000 unemployed.

FOUR AND ONE HALF MILLION UNEMPLOYED.

Yeah, I guess that's pretty low. As long as you're not one of the four and a half million.

That's a LOT of people.


Yes, it is.  But it's also better than it was.  Considering that the US population grows by 1.6 Million every year, I'd say we're doing something right.

Payroll Employment Up by 1.8 Million in 2006

Unemployment and Labor Force Participation at the End of 2006




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