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thompsonx -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 11:08:05 AM)
luckydog1: Because I can tell the difference between a rich mans cow and a poor mans life I am somehow using poor people as pawns????????? If the govt. drops food to starving people they will just shit it out and make a mess....is that what you really ment to say??? thompson

FirmhandKY -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 11:33:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Do you think the people of the United States would have been in favor of the war with Japan if they knew how Roosevelt maneuvered the Japanese into the attack on Pearl Harbor? Perhaps you are interpreting the "dance of international diplomacy", and the calculations, miscalculations and such as "collusion and intent" with 20/20 hindsight, thompson. It's alway easy to make judgement and see "patterns" years and decades after the facts. It doesn't necessary make the judgements correct, or the patterns real or accurate, but it does give some people a feeling of power and special knowledge to point them out. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Did you know that of the 8 battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor only one stayed on the bottom (the Arizona) and that 6 of the remaining 7 were tactically operational in less than 6 months. That all of the battle ships at Pearl Harbor were half the size of the the more modern battleships in the USN and that only two of the battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor had 16" guns while the rest mounted only 14" guns. The hardware that the Japanese destroyed at Pearl Harbor was antique junque. The fact that the administration knew in advence of the attack they stocked the harbor with junque and prepared it so that it could be refloated and made operational with a minimum of effort. thompson Pure conspiracy theory. FirmKY

missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 11:47:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation My apologies emperor. I truly believe though that the only topic worthy of discussion left in this thread is getting high, twinkie, porn and having lots of sex!! [:D] missturbation: I am unsure of your use of the word twinkie....are you speaking of the little cakes filled with whipped cream or is there a more lacivious meaning that I am not aware of? thompson Twinkie is extremely extremely horny [;)]

Real0ne -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 12:59:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Did you know that of the 8 battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor only one stayed on the bottom (the Arizona) and that 6 of the remaining 7 were tactically operational in less than 6 months. That all of the battle ships at Pearl Harbor were half the size of the the more modern battleships in the USN and that only two of the battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor had 16" guns while the rest mounted only 14" guns. The hardware that the Japanese destroyed at Pearl Harbor was antique junque. The fact that the administration knew in advence of the attack they stocked the harbor with junque and prepared it so that it could be refloated and made operational with a minimum of effort. thompson Pure conspiracy theory. FirmKY So whats the difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory to you? WHere do you draw that line?

mnottertail -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 1:04:48 PM)
I will point out that if I woof a phattie blunt, there is a good chance that I personally would become a threat to world peace...I get kinda anxious at them levels of cannabinabinol-----LOL Is it a conspiracy? it is only theory? stay tuned..... Ron

FirmhandKY -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 1:44:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne So whats the difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory to you? WHere do you draw that line? Real0ne, I generally do not engage in discussions about conspiracy theories, or at least, I am very careful when doing so for the simple fact that such beliefs are akin to religious beliefs. No amount of discussion will dissuade someone who believes in them, and they generally get rather - irrate - when challenged. I attempted to engage you on this subject several threads ago, when I asked you specific questions about the "USS Liberty" incident and a few other things, but I was ignored. There are conspiracy theories, and then there is the elements of common human desires and drives that often seem to act as conspiracies. Perhaps a small difference in final outcomes, but a big difference in attitude and the understanding of history, and how to affect change, and where to place blame or credit. FirmKY

Real0ne -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 1:49:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne So whats the difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory to you? WHere do you draw that line? Real0ne, I generally do not engage in discussions about conspiracy theories, or at least, I am very careful when doing so for the simple fact that such beliefs are akin to religious beliefs. No amount of discussion will dissuade someone who believes in them, and they generally get rather - irrate - when challenged. I attempted to engage you on this subject several threads ago, when I asked you specific questions about the "USS Liberty" incident and a few other things, but I was ignored. There are conspiracy theories, and then there is the elements of common human desires and drives that often seem to act as conspiracies. Perhaps a small difference in final outcomes, but a big difference in attitude and the understanding of history, and how to affect change, and where to place blame or credit. FirmKY oh? do you remember where it was? i missed it

luckydog1 -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 1:49:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx luckydog1: Because I can tell the difference between a rich mans cow and a poor mans life I am somehow using poor people as pawns????????? If the govt. drops food to starving people they will just shit it out and make a mess....is that what you really ment to say??? thompson Bluntly, yes tompson...the plan decided on by the people of New Orleans before the storm was that everyone had to be evacuated, if the leeves failed. That plan obviously failed, some were left behind, and others refused to leave for personal reasons. But absolutly thousands of pounds of more sewage in the shelters would have been even worse than it was. Thousands more would have died. I notice you skirted my question entirley. At what point would you have had the feds evacuate NO by force?(remeber it would have to occur before the storm hit) The people who ignored/refused to leave, would you shoot them to make them leave?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 1:55:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne oh? do you remember where it was? i missed it It was the thread in which we briefly discussed the YouTube videos you have in your sig line. The "Failure of World wide capitalism" thread, I believe. FirmKY

Real0ne -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 1:58:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne oh? do you remember where it was? i missed it It was the thread in which we briefly discussed the YouTube videos you have in your sig line. The "Failure of World wide capitalism" thread, I believe. FirmKY yah ok i remember now, i started out to find my supporting docs on it and got sidetracked...

FirmhandKY -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 2:09:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne yah ok i remember now, i started out to find my supporting docs on it and got sidetracked... It happens. I wasn't looking to re-open it, unless it was pertinent to the thread at hand. FirmKY

seeksfemslave -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 4:59:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave Missturbation, I love you madly, but you are allowing your emotions to lead you astray. If at the time the US had got itself into position to launch a ground strike on Japan, your decision, and you saw estimates of the likely casulties to your own troops, and an alternative ie Nuclear Weapons existed....what would you do ? Incidently, to get close enough to Japan had cost enormous loss of life, fighting for the islands in the Pacific. seeksfemmeslave: Could you enumerate what you mean by "enormous loss of life fighting for the islands in the pacific. The numbers I come up with are less than 50,000 which would be less than 5% of what the germans lost in the battle for Stalingrad. Since the Japanese had been trying to surrender since the battle of Midway the claims of a million casualities in taking the home islands of Japan seem more than a little disingenious. In the end the Japanese got the terms that they started the negotians with ie: the preservation of the emperor. thompson In terms of casualties 50000 is an enormous number to my mind. 95% more is a double plus ungood ginormous number isn't it ? Japanese suing for peace means what exactly, trying to extract themselves from a "difficult" situation. Was not the US policy, confirmed or at least not rejected or opposed in any significant numbers, by your legislators, one of unconditional Surrender. Surely the Japs could have done that in 1943 . NO ?

seeksfemslave -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 5:17:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave They dont forget,(USA's missiles in Turkey) most probably didn't know. A big point is tho' that the existence of nuclear weapons seems to have maintained the peace , at least between the USA and USSR. Along the same lines of "not knowing" I bet that most Americans dont know that Heny Cooper knocked out Cassius Clay as he then was. Only some very dirty tricks saved Clay's bacon. Relevence, well it all depends what the mass media emphasise in their reporting. seeksfemmeslave: Henry Cooper did not knock Cassius Clay out, The only real punch he landed throughout the entire fight knocked Clay thruough the ropes and out of the ring onto the apron. Clay acquired an extra 60 seconds on his stool while the referee found a replacement glove for one that had been damaged. Clay then went on to beat Cooper mercilessly for the rest of the fight which the referee stopped about one minute before the end of the final round. thompson This is the kind of talk that really does endanger world peace. Clay was so bedazzled by the mighty left hook that knocked him virtually senseless that his eyes were spinning in both directions at the same time, reminding me of either Amos or Andy after Sapphire had hit him with her handbag ! The "damaged glove" was deliberately split by Angelo Dundee, we Brits knew that anyway, but Dundee is on record as admitting it. Cooper was not beaten, he cut easily and his splattering blood was considered a health risk to Cassius. and anyone sitting in the first three rows of ringside seats.

thompsonx -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 8:17:00 PM)
seeksfemmeslave: Do you happen to remember what the round by round score was in that fight? It was a long time ago but as I remember it, Cooper did not even win the round he managede to hit Clay in. As for the dirty tricks I remember a line from an old fight movie...."the reason they don't hold these things in the sewer is because there is not enough head room." I did not see the fight but I do remember listening to it on the radio and the radio anouncer was quite descriptive about the power in that punch and he seemed truely astonished to see Clay return to his old form after only 60 seconds of free rest he got from Dundee's skulduggery. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/22/2007 8:43:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx luckydog1: Because I can tell the difference between a rich mans cow and a poor mans life I am somehow using poor people as pawns????????? If the govt. drops food to starving people they will just shit it out and make a mess....is that what you really ment to say??? thompson Bluntly, yes tompson...the plan decided on by the people of New Orleans before the storm was that everyone had to be evacuated, if the leeves failed. That plan obviously failed, some were left behind, and others refused to leave for personal reasons. But absolutly thousands of pounds of more sewage in the shelters would have been even worse than it was. Thousands more would have died. I notice you skirted my question entirley. At what point would you have had the feds evacuate NO by force?(remeber it would have to occur before the storm hit) The people who ignored/refused to leave, would you shoot them to make them leave? luckydog1: In the first place "the plan decided on by the people of New Orleans" was not decided by the people of New Orleans but by the Authorities in the city. Most of the people stranded in New Orleans (more than 51%) were stranded because they were too poor to leave. The local authorities at the city,parish and state level made mistakes that costs many people their lives. Evacuating New Orleans by force by the feds is your "false chooice" not mine. My only point was that the government can use taxpayers money to feed rich mens cows and could not air drop food and water to those who were still in New Orleans. I am not just talking about the ones in the sports arena but also the many who were on the roof tops and the parts of the city that were not under water. Your arguement that feeding them would just make them shit more...far better to let them starve, just boggels my mind. As to the starving cows I would have thought the ranchers who owned them should be the ones responsible for feeding them not the taxpayers. Why did the ranchers not rent helicopters and buy hay and hire crews to feed their own cows. Why is the taxpayer saddled with the bill for the ranchers bad judgement...yes bad judgement ...it is always a judgement call when the rancher decides whether to bring his cows in to the feed lot for the winter or to let them tough it out with the elements on the range. thompson

seeksfemslave -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 1:10:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx seeksfemmeslave: Do you happen to remember what the round by round score was in that fight? It was a long time ago but as I remember it, Cooper did not even win the round he managede to hit Clay in. As for the dirty tricks I remember a line from an old fight movie...."the reason they don't hold these things in the sewer is because there is not enough head room." I did not see the fight but I do remember listening to it on the radio and the radio anouncer was quite descriptive about the power in that punch and he seemed truely astonished to see Clay return to his old form after only 60 seconds of free rest he got from Dundee's skulduggery. thompson This is getting serious now !!, Clay/Ali was indulging himself in his usual fashion, you know, the Ali shuffle, rope a dope, waving to his opponent and the audience, going on sideways bicycle runs around even reciting poetry for all I know. Meanwhile our Henery (sic) got the joke, smiled to himself bided his time then WHAM, off to sleep Ali, just 15 SECONDS too late thats all.

trannysub007 -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 7:05:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Yes quite possibly but i still believe nuclear bombing of hiroshima was wrong and cowardly. Too bad you weren't there to tell them that. Most Americans i know tend to agree with you, by the way.

caitlyn -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 7:28:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: trannysub007 quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Yes quite possibly but i still believe nuclear bombing of hiroshima was wrong and cowardly. Too bad you weren't there to tell them that. Most Americans i know tend to agree with you, by the way. I certainly do. I think it was completely evil, and only done as a display to the Soviets.

missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 7:40:07 AM)
Loss of life is tragic no matter what the circumstances but mass murder of over 140,000 icluding th nagasaki bombing is just horrendous. It didnt end there either - there are still ill effects to this day.

caitlyn -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 8:14:08 AM)
Yep ... and if you had the bomb, you would have dropped it on Berlin. We are so civilized ... we Westerners. [;)]

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