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missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 8:23:29 AM)
More than likely. Think it was boy george who sung the lines 'war, war is stupid and people are stupid'. [:D]

meatcleaver -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 8:24:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn Yep ... and if you had the bomb, you would have dropped it on Berlin. We are so civilized ... we Westerners. [;)] We did the next best thing to Hamburg and Dresden and Germany did its damnest to London but London was too big and Germany's planes were too small.

thompsonx -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 10:56:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Do you think the people of the United States would have been in favor of the war with Japan if they knew how Roosevelt maneuvered the Japanese into the attack on Pearl Harbor? Perhaps you are interpreting the "dance of international diplomacy", and the calculations, miscalculations and such as "collusion and intent" with 20/20 hindsight, thompson. It's alway easy to make judgement and see "patterns" years and decades after the facts. It doesn't necessary make the judgements correct, or the patterns real or accurate, but it does give some people a feeling of power and special knowledge to point them out. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Did you know that of the 8 battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor only one stayed on the bottom (the Arizona) and that 6 of the remaining 7 were tactically operational in less than 6 months. That all of the battle ships at Pearl Harbor were half the size of the the more modern battleships in the USN and that only two of the battleships sunk at Pearl Harbor had 16" guns while the rest mounted only 14" guns. The hardware that the Japanese destroyed at Pearl Harbor was antique junque. The fact that the administration knew in advence of the attack they stocked the harbor with junque and prepared it so that it could be refloated and made operational with a minimum of effort. thompson Pure conspiracy theory. FirmKY FirmhandKY: Just curious as to how much and what kind of proof you would require to change your opinion from theory to fact, or is your mind made up and you choose not to be bothered with any facts. thompson

missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 10:58:10 AM)
Can we talk about sex and porn again please? [:D]

thompsonx -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 11:19:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY No, Bush shouldn't be tried. "Public opinion" is not necessarily either a reliable measure of morality, nor legality nor of possiblity. It's often a reflection of who has the loudest microphone, and who can most effectively manipulate the emotions. Not to mention how the questions are asked. You won't get any kind of reasoned discussion about this issue here, for the simple fact that on one side, you have enough emotionally involved people who will scream at the top of their voices about every other emotional issue, and they attempt to shout down and shut out opposing viewpoints. But good luck. FirmKY This is just the opposite of one of your previous post in which you mention the "national zietgiest" ie: public opinion as ample justification for waging war. You even cited constitutional justification for international facism and thugery. It appears that you are a little inconsistant in your opinions. thompson Not at all, thompson. I don't think we are talking about the same things at all. I'm pretty sure that I've never made the argument that "public opinion" is adequate in and of itself for a declaration of a war. You are confusing a nebelous term (zeitgeist) with "public opinion" as in popular opinion polls. I'm not sure that the term zeitgeist is as open and shut as what a poll would give you. I think there is a lot of room for discussion and disagreement about what a "zeitgeist" even is, but I meant it previously as the overall feeling and world-view of not just the popular opinion, but of policy-makers, military personnel, and such. I am not confusing anything. I am using your word and your definition of zeitgeist. Are you now saying that policy makers and- military personnel are not part of public opinion? And I decline to accept your characterization of "international facism and thugery". These are emotional terms, not rational terms of a discussion. They inherently prejudge actions, and give me the sense of a mind already made up and therefore not open to any real discussion. Previously you cited your own belief in and constitutional justification for international fascism and thugery and now you are not comfortable with the term and discard it as emotional and not rational. This in spite of the fact that you have defined fascism. So is it an emotional word or a descriptive word. Mussolini had no problem with it he was proud to be a fascist and a thug and said so on many occasions. As an example, when you asked me to provide "proof" that actions such that you describe as "international thugery" were authorized by the US Constitution, and I did so, you were unable or unwilling to address my points, and simply reverted to sarcasm (thanks for telling me you agree with thugery or such). An emotional argument, not a logical one. Why would I want to challange your beliefs...it was hard enough to get you to state them. You did not seem to have any problem with the words fascism and thugery when you cited constitutional authority for them. That's not a very strong or effective rebuttal seems to me. Discussion differs from debate in many ways. It is not my desire to debate but rather to discuss. It is not my job to bring you a prybar everytime you put both feet in your mouth. thompson FirmKY

missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 11:20:20 AM)
Now this is what i call a conspiracy!! A conspiracy against sex and porn [:D]

thompsonx -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 11:23:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Can we talk about sex and porn again please? [:D] missturbation: Of course we can....just as soon as you put on one of those corsetts of yours and bring me two fingers of tequila reposada and a fatty blunt....oh and while you are up will you put another porn vidio in the player. thompson

missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 11:25:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Can we talk about sex and porn again please? [:D] missturbation: Of course we can....just as soon as you put on one of those corsetts of yours and bring me two fingers of tequila reposada and a fatty blunt....oh and while you are up will you put another porn vidio in the player. thompson Sheesh - what did your last slave die of? giggles

luckydog1 -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 11:27:44 AM)
No tompson, the plan decided on by the people elected by the poeple of the area called for 100% evacuation, if the leeves breached. It was a complete loss, and a very disease ridden place. It was un healthy to stay. The plan was to get the people out, not make them more comfortable in the disease ridden polluted flood water. I dispute your 51% figure, people were told to leave, and many didn't for various reasons. Many quite nefarious, not everyone in New Orleans was a saint. Why would it boggle your mind that ingesting sewage causes incredible health problems? That is basic sanitation. And when people eat they have to poop. People did not starve to death there, they got hungry. You can't leave a city during the storm. They had to leave before or after(remeber the storm lasted for several days), not durring. It was a massive disaster, and to use it as you are( a political tool) is disgusting, and does nothing to identify and prepare for similar problems in the future. Lousiana is free to use its Nat Guard in any way they see fit, as is Colorado. You are using the terror and suffering those peole experienced as a political tool.

NorthernGent -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 11:37:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: trannysub007 quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Yes quite possibly but i still believe nuclear bombing of hiroshima was wrong and cowardly. Too bad you weren't there to tell them that. Most Americans i know tend to agree with you, by the way. I was watching a programme about this last night. Quite interesting. One of the key German scientists (Klaus Fuchs) building the bomb was passing blueprints to the Russians right under the noses of the Americans. It meant the Russians were able to build the bomb in 2 years from scratch. You're probably aware of this. What was interesting about the programme was he was a Communist and a sworn enemy of Fascism - hence supplying the blue-prints to the Russians during the war. After the war Fuchs moved to England to work on a British bomb. Then the news of the gulags and various other things starting coming through and he realised that the perceived Russia was not the Russia and what a monumental fuck up he'd made. At the same time, he was warming to the English people and realised his initial assessment of East and West was miles out. He went mad as his conscience got the better of him. Quite a good programme - interesting. Apparently, the Americans didn't vet him because he was living in England prior to being drafted to the US to work on the bomb (he'd fled Germany to England in the 30s). If the Americans had checked his background they would have realised he was a staunch communist and would have thought twice about inviting him to the US.

thompsonx -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 11:38:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Can we talk about sex and porn again please? [:D] missturbation: Of course we can....just as soon as you put on one of those corsetts of yours and bring me two fingers of tequila reposada and a fatty blunt....oh and while you are up will you put another porn vidio in the player. thompson Sheesh - what did your last slave die of? giggles missturbation: Ecstacy was what the coroner said. thompson

missturbation -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 11:41:33 AM)
missturbation: Ecstacy was what the coroner said. thompson That would be the drug then i presume [:D]

thompsonx -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 12:06:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation missturbation: Ecstacy was what the coroner said. thompson That would be the drug then i presume [:D] missturbation: No...emotional status. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 12:17:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 No tompson, the plan decided on by the people elected by the poeple of the area called for 100% evacuation, if the leeves breached. It was a complete loss, and a very disease ridden place. It was un healthy to stay. The plan was to get the people out, not make them more comfortable in the disease ridden polluted flood water. I dispute your 51% figure, people were told to leave, and many didn't for various reasons. Many quite nefarious, not everyone in New Orleans was a saint. Why would it boggle your mind that ingesting sewage causes incredible health problems? That is basic sanitation. And when people eat they have to poop. People did not starve to death there, they got hungry. You can't leave a city during the storm. They had to leave before or after(remeber the storm lasted for several days), not durring. It was a massive disaster, and to use it as you are( a political tool) is disgusting, and does nothing to identify and prepare for similar problems in the future. Lousiana is free to use its Nat Guard in any way they see fit, as is Colorado. You are using the terror and suffering those peole experienced as a political tool. luckydog1: I have not a clue what you are talking about. I simply pointed out that the government is using taxpayers money to save the investments of some rich ranchers. And you tell me it is better for people to starve than to eat and shit, Do you approve of the government spending taxpayers money to save the investments of the rich? Or do you feel that the rich should use their own money to protect their investments? thompson

luckydog1 -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 12:24:05 PM)
I approve of the gov helping both groups. The ranchers will spend plenty dealing with the aftermath. The guard got to do a usefull training exercise, and the cost was very minimal. There were real serious logistical issues in Katrina, no one starved, and yes thousands of pounds of more sewage would have made it worse. So you would rather have had lots more people die than people be hungry for a day? I do not get it. Why do you wish there were more deaths? Why do you think it has anything to do with a hay drop?

Sinergy -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 8:10:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Can we talk about sex and porn again please? [:D] missturbation: Of course we can....just as soon as you put on one of those corsetts of yours and bring me two fingers of tequila reposada and a fatty blunt....oh and while you are up will you put another porn vidio in the player. thompson Sheesh - what did your last slave die of? giggles She did not have no steenkin badges? Sinergy

thompsonx -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/23/2007 9:13:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 I approve of the gov helping both groups. The ranchers will spend plenty dealing with the aftermath. The guard got to do a usefull training exercise, and the cost was very minimal. There were real serious logistical issues in Katrina, no one starved, and yes thousands of pounds of more sewage would have made it worse. So you would rather have had lots more people die than people be hungry for a day? I do not get it. Why do you wish there were more deaths? Why do you think it has anything to do with a hay drop? luckydog1: Perhaps you might want to rethink your statement about how inexpensive it is to air drop hay cows. The helicopter is the most expensive type of aircraft to fly. I would have thought you were a free enterprise sort baised on your previous post. It appears that you are more in favor of fascism; that is, a partnership between business and the government where the taxpayers get to subsidize the business interest of the rich. So much for your position as a proponent of free enterprise. Your position on the food vs. shit in New Orleans is nothing short of laughable. thompson

luckydog1 -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/24/2007 2:58:00 AM)
The Air Guard flies around on training missions for no reason except to train. When they get to do something directly usefull at the same time, it really doesn't cost anymore. The helicopters would still get the air time, the Pilots would still get the training time. Here in Alaska they go rescue mountaineers, they consider it practice. The extra cost was hay. If you want to pretend I am a pure free enterprise person, go ahead, that's not my position, I suppose you must try to change the subject in such a manner for some reason. I see nothing wrong with the gov helping out after a disaster, why do you? laughable?? what part of it is laughable? Sanitation is serious stuff. People get sick and die. If you eat you poop. If you have to sit in your poop with your kids, they get sick and die. It's not laughable. Katrina was a fuck up on a massive level, primarily the locals. I asked you before, at what point would you have had Bush illegally take over New Orleans(and evacuate it by force)? or the whole state? region? What would be the criteria?

sleazy -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/24/2007 6:12:36 AM)
I would be interested to find out just how rich all these ranchers are. Certainly here in the UK an awful lot of farmers actually live well under the poverty line. I would suspect there are many "rich" ranchers in a similar situation. On the other hand, without all those cattle being fed here and now, how are the poor going to be fed in a few months time? Or is that unimportant as long as the people responsible for producing food get a virtual kicking for being such capitalists? What if it was a need to fly wheat seed into Kansas to allow bread to baked? I cant help but smell an awful lot of sour grapes.

meatcleaver -> RE: Threat to world peace??????? (1/24/2007 7:07:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy On the other hand, without all those cattle being fed here and now, how are the poor going to be fed in a few months time? Or is that unimportant as long as the people responsible for producing food get a virtual kicking for being such capitalists? We are talking about the USA not Darfur, there is plenty for people to eat, now and in a few months time. However, capitalism is about risk, you take the risk and you get big rewards. When that happens I don't hear any complaints so they shouldn't complain when they take the risk and get nothing. It's the game called capitalism, you are one or you aren't. It reminds me of people on Lloyds list wanting the tax payer to bail them out when their investments went belly up. Fucking strange how the rich want welfare when they hit hard times but they are happy to kick the poor whern things are good for them.

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