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RE: State of the Union - 1/23/2007 9:06:26 PM   
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If you ever figure it out, please let me know.

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I called my union benefits office to check on their willingness to pay for my frontal lobotomy.

I will get back to you.

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RE: State of the Union - 1/23/2007 9:16:18 PM   
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Hello Leftist, Rightist and those that are running in circles to escape their clammor,

When do all the nay sayers actually give us this damn plan of theirs that is so starkly varied in contrast to the Presidents? When do they do something besides stand around like old men in a barber shop and bitch about the obvious and act like they have some great idea's yet never express a single bit of anything but spin? Is it true that the Left's new mascot is John Madden, the master of the obvious?

It's about time to stop creating negative to scare the villagers so that they'll vote for even more incompetent idiots. the fact is the entire political pool is contrived with greedy, power hungry ego maniacs that if you seen them in a room and they didn't know you were watching you would think they were 5 years old.

Now, you can sit here and bitch about the President, his dog and the way Laura does her hair, but frankly, the Girl from Houston gave her reasons why she liked the speach and the Sinergy fellow used my favorite Moderators bite as an excuse to gain time to adjust the spin.

By the way, I'm neither left nor right..I'm a damn Gorean, we would consider voting for anyone that could show at least a dash of actual integrity and fortitude.But it seems the qualification to run for office is be able to blame anyone else for the problems that ail you. By the way, I have never seen Bush do that. And yes I do vote and contribute a great deal to the process, so yes, i am allowed to enter the frey.

Live well,

Bull

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RE: State of the Union - 1/23/2007 9:38:43 PM   
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Now, you can sit here and bitch about the President, his dog and the way Laura does her hair, but frankly, the Girl from Houston gave her reasons why she liked the speach and the Sinergy fellow used my favorite Moderators bite as an excuse to gain time to adjust the spin.



Actually, if you read the post you will see that whatsername questioned my post without providing any rational explanation of her own, and whatsisname attacked my post without actually providing any rational explanation of his own.

I pointed out to whatsername that I would be more than interested in seeing some rational explanation for her opinion, and pointed out to whatsisname that I was not interested in arguing with him because the Moderators asked me not to.

Now if you would be so kind as to provide some cogent analysis of what you actually think, as opposed to simply attacking me, I would be more than willing to comment on it.

If not, I am not interested in having some juvenile snarky discussion with you either, so...

Peace out.

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RE: State of the Union - 1/23/2007 9:53:04 PM   
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Hello Sinergy,

Actually, I shouldn't have took that cheap enough shot at ya. I retract that attack. An offer of apoligy my good man. That's as good as those get from me so take it or leave it.

I was one the road this evening, so I didn't get to watch the clap fest. It also seems I hit a bird or something and my XM antenna took a shit. So I am at a bit of a disadvantage, i was reading some notes about it and scanning the threads here.

So let me catch up and if I can find some time before this hot button topic fades. I'll hold a press conference and clarify my potentially juvenile and even snarky veiws.

Live well, and peace thru superior forepower,

Bull

Had to edit again..........I'm beat and my spelling and grammar have dropped to sub par levels, Night all............

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RE: State of the Union - 1/23/2007 10:59:37 PM   
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Didn’t watch, listen or read any excerpts from the speech…..but the mere fact that the original post is centered around Bush’s proclamation that he needs to raise the strategic oil reserves, tells me that oil on the London and New York mercantile exchanges should start to rise by the per barrel price by the opening bell tomorrow.  That was a nod for speculators {and alike} to re-enter the market and quash this little glut they were talking about last week.

Now.. should a bombing campaign commence and the Iranian's decide to mine the Straights of Hormuz or impede super tanker traffic some other way, well then, the ''free market system'' will suffer a reduction in supply and the price will go way up.  We can't be ''cut off '' when we have our own vast reserves {In Alaska and the Gulf} and Canada, Mexico and Venezuela are right on our door step.

Who benefits if this happens? Surely it won't be the Iranians. This is but another reason why natural resources vital for existence should never be in a position where they can be exploited by ''free market'' conditions /economics  




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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 5:35:12 AM   
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Didn’t watch, listen or read any excerpts from the speech…..but the mere fact that the original post is centered around Bush’s proclamation that he needs to raise the strategic oil reserves, tells me that oil on the London and New York mercantile exchanges should start to rise by the per barrel price by the opening bell tomorrow.  That was a nod for speculators {and alike} to re-enter the market and quash this little glut they were talking about last week.

Now.. should a bombing campaign commence and the Iranian's decide to mine the Straights of Hormuz or impede super tanker traffic some other way, well then, the ''free market system'' will suffer a reduction in supply and the price will go way up.  We can't be ''cut off '' when we have our own vast reserves {In Alaska and the Gulf} and Canada, Mexico and Venezuela are right on our door step.

Who benefits if this happens? Surely it won't be the Iranians. This is but another reason why natural resources vital for existence should never be in a position where they can be exploited by ''free market'' conditions /economics  




- R




Last time I heard THAT conspiracy theory, all the Leftists were screaming that falling gas prices didn't mean a thing because those wascawwy wepubwicans was gonna raise 'em right back up again, right after the mid-term elections.

Remember that?  

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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 6:24:35 AM   
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Hello Sinergy,

Actually, I shouldn't have took that cheap enough shot at ya. I retract that attack. An offer of apoligy my good man. That's as good as those get from me so take it or leave it.

I was one the road this evening, so I didn't get to watch the clap fest. It also seems I hit a bird or something and my XM antenna took a shit. So I am at a bit of a disadvantage, i was reading some notes about it and scanning the threads here.

So let me catch up and if I can find some time before this hot button topic fades. I'll hold a press conference and clarify my potentially juvenile and even snarky veiws.

Live well, and peace thru superior forepower,

Bull

Had to edit again..........I'm beat and my spelling and grammar have dropped to sub par levels, Night all............


Apology accepted. 

Enjoy your day,

Sinergy

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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 6:54:30 AM   
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So a speechwriter wrote a speech, and this is stuff that dreams are made of?  I will pretty much say anything to get a blowjob....In fact I am trying to make a predator list right now to increase my visability for that very purpose.

It's only words.....

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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 7:00:28 AM   
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I would like to point out, that every time you have asked for additional information or clarification, I have posted it ... and I can't recall even one time where you responded.
 
I'm kind of getting a boy who cried wolf attitude with you, which is a shame, because you are clearly a very informed poster ... probably more so than me.

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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 7:51:13 AM   
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I see that the Bush-bashers haven't had anything to say about Hillary being the front runner for their nomination. That says a lot.
They are handing the Republicans the next Presidency on a sliver platter...

You might want to wait until we all see who is actually nominated before calling that race, unless you moonlight as Carnac the Magnificent.

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...while trying to suggest that the President is dumb.

What does the previous line have to do with this?  The two are hardly mutually exclusive.

~stef


Please, they've been waiting six years for Hillary to run so they can have someone to hate - watch all that "support the president right or wrong" stuff go flying out the window like it never happened if she gets elected.

I think what caused them to fall apart more than anything was simply that being charge meant they had no one to hate but themselves.

Caught some of it, he's basically saying all the stuff he should have been doing the last six years: conservation, CAFE standards, etc. - sounds to me like he's accepted that the neo-con fantasy of bringing back the Seventies isn't going to happen with the exception that we'll probobly end up getting booted out of Iraq the way we got booted out of Iran - similar tactics, similar outcomes.

Too bad he set us back to the Seventies already; instead of setting us back six years, it's more like thirty.

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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 8:24:16 AM   
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I was happy to hear that he's lookingat making the insurance bought privatly tax deductable the same as employer provided Insurance.
That will reduce the number of folks who actually can't get insurance. It should also help get insurance companies more responsive to thei customers since they will not all be othe companies.


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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 8:34:55 AM   
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I would like to point out, that every time you have asked for additional information or clarification, I have posted it ... and I can't recall even one time where you responded.
 
I'm kind of getting a boy who cried wolf attitude with you, which is a shame, because you are clearly a very informed poster ... probably more so than me.


I disagree with your assertion that you respond every time I ask you for clarification.

You responded to a poster who said they found it mindless dribble (sic) that you agreed with what he said.  I asked you on post 20 of this very thread to clarify what parts of his speech you agreed with and why, and you never responded.

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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 10:57:51 AM   
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I don't agree with your spin on this (in my view) and would invite you to read back for yourself.
 
What I said was that I didn't think it was mindless, even though I don't agree with much of what he said (post 14). There is a difference in my mind between agreement, and something being mindless. I don't agree with creationism, but don't find it mindless. I don't agree with the goals of Christopher Columbus, but don't find his goal, based on the information he had at the time, to be mindless. 
 
You asked in post twenty, what I thought wasn't mindless. You did not ask me what I agreed with. You have never asked that question in this thread, that I have seen. Perhaps you can point out where you have.
 
I responded in post twenty-seven with a few points that I thought were important (meaning, not mindless). Please note again, that because I don't agree with something, that doesn't make it mindless, to my thinking.
 
You are now asking for clarification on questions you never asked. Nothing I can do about that.
 
Perhaps that is our communication difference. Perhaps (and I don't know this to be the case), you find anything you don't agree with to be mindless. Nothing I can do about that either.

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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 11:13:52 AM   
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I don't agree with your spin on this (in my view) and would invite you to read back for yourself.
 
What I said was that I didn't think it was mindless, even though I don't agree with much of what he said (post 14). There is a difference in my mind between agreement, and something being mindless. I don't agree with creationism, but don't find it mindless. I don't agree with the goals of Christopher Columbus, but don't find his goal, based on the information he had at the time, to be mindless. 
 
You asked in post twenty, what I thought wasn't mindless. You did not ask me what I agreed with. You have never asked that question in this thread, that I have seen. Perhaps you can point out where you have.
 
I responded in post twenty-seven with a few points that I thought were important (meaning, not mindless). Please note again, that because I don't agree with something, that doesn't make it mindless, to my thinking.
 
You are now asking for clarification on questions you never asked. Nothing I can do about that.
 
Perhaps that is our communication difference. Perhaps (and I don't know this to be the case), you find anything you don't agree with to be mindless. Nothing I can do about that either.


Well, to go back to post 27.  One of the examples you gave was the No Child Left Behind act.   What is mindless about this assertion on his part is that every year since he initiated that act, the Republican congress never funded it with enough money to actually make it work.  While it is theoretically possible that this was not his fault, I tend to think he made the act to appear to look good, knowing that the Republican congress would never fund it.

Another example was his assertion that balancing the budget was a good idea.  This is mindless because the numbers do not add up any more now than they have in the past.  His idiotic policies have given the US budget a sucking chest wound of debt, from a surplus he was given by the previous administration, so his comments seem particularly mindless to me.

The idea that putting more money and troops on the ground in Iraq might solve the problem over there fails to stand up to the reality of past intercessions into conflicts.  The general rule for being able to quell urban violence calls for 1 troop on the ground for every 40 civilians in the country.  This was proven in Kosovo, Bosnia, etc., and is considered reasonable.  To adequately police Iraq and the 40 million people who live there would require a million soldiers.  And since George W. Bush has mindlessly squandered any good will that the rest of the world has during his time in office, the United States is forced to go it alone fixing the problem.  His assertion that 20k more US soldiers would somehow fix the problem strikes me as being mindless, uneducated, obtuse, and myopic.

A five-fold increase in research in alternative fuels.  This is up to Congress to approve.  I would like to point out that the mindless part of him making this statement is when the Republicans ran the show, they cut the budget for this research each and every time they had the opportunity to do so.  So it is rather mindless for Monkeyboy to come out and say "Gee, we should do all this now." 

Now that we have had the "Yer fired" election, perhaps Congress can get some work done despite the Simian In Chief's idiocy.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy



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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 11:32:12 AM   
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The idea that putting more money and troops on the ground in Iraq might solve the problem over there fails to stand up to the reality of past intercessions into conflicts.  The general rule for being able to quell urban violence calls for 1 troop on the ground for every 40 civilians in the country.  This was proven in Kosovo, Bosnia, etc., and is considered reasonable.  To adequately police Iraq and the 40 million people who live there would require a million soldiers.  And since George W. Bush has mindlessly squandered any good will that the rest of the world has during his time in office, the United States is forced to go it alone fixing the problem.  His assertion that 20k more US soldiers would somehow fix the problem strikes me as being mindless, uneducated, obtuse, and myopic.




Well basicly the 20,000 additional troops along with those Iraq is supposed to transfer from other provinces that are relatively calm will make the ratio in the Capital better than the 40 to 1 ratio. This has been mentioned here on the board as well as on some news reports both in print and on TV and radio.


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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 12:05:13 PM   
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I think bush's speeches are well-prepared and intended to satsify customers i.e. the American public. These people are not going to sacrifice what they have - least of all through a lazy, ill-prepared speech. I mean, they have the moeny to buy and pay for a thousand speech writers.

If I were American, I'd be much more concerned that people seem to be objecting to Iraq only because US soldiers are dying. For my money, this thought process is fucked up - the idea that it's ok to send the army to another country (knowing full well civilians will die) providing US casualties are kept to a minimum. I would say the neo-cons taking and holding power can be linked to the aforementioned thought process.

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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 12:12:14 PM   
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If I were American, I'd be much more concerned that people seem to be objecting to Iraq only because US soldiers are dying. For my money, this thought process is fucked up

If you think that's the only, or even the primary reason why Americans are opposed to being involved over there, you haven't been paying attention.

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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 12:50:22 PM   
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The idea that putting more money and troops on the ground in Iraq might solve the problem over there fails to stand up to the reality of past intercessions into conflicts.  The general rule for being able to quell urban violence calls for 1 troop on the ground for every 40 civilians in the country.  This was proven in Kosovo, Bosnia, etc., and is considered reasonable.  To adequately police Iraq and the 40 million people who live there would require a million soldiers.  And since George W. Bush has mindlessly squandered any good will that the rest of the world has during his time in office, the United States is forced to go it alone fixing the problem.  His assertion that 20k more US soldiers would somehow fix the problem strikes me as being mindless, uneducated, obtuse, and myopic.




Well basicly the 20,000 additional troops along with those Iraq is supposed to transfer from other provinces that are relatively calm will make the ratio in the Capital better than the 40 to 1 ratio. This has been mentioned here on the board as well as on some news reports both in print and on TV and radio.




So basically what he is saying is that we are going to quell sectarian violence in one city, while leaving the rest of the country to rot.  I will continue to state that I consider this another "mindless" comment on his part.

My objections to Iraq have something to do with US lives being lost, but my main objection is that Monkeyboy and the NitWitCons created a problem which we cannot fix.  Somebody will eventually rise to power, probably similar to Saddam, and then will have to drill for and sell that oil to other people.  The primary problem the Simian In Chief has is that he has already alienated Venezuala.  The United States is not overly popular in Iran.  Saudi Arabia may run out of oil sooner, rather than later.  When we leave Iraq, we leave it with no guarantees they will ever sell the oil to the US, and no guarantees that if they do sell it to us we will not have to buy it with Eurodollars.

I dont have a solution.  The whole thing reminds me of what WHOPER said in the movie "Wargames," which was "An interesting game, the only way to win is not to play." 

What I can see, however, is that his feeble attempts at solving the problem are not, and have never been, solutions either.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy

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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 1:02:41 PM   
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If I were American, I'd be much more concerned that people seem to be objecting to Iraq only because US soldiers are dying. For my money, this thought process is fucked up


If you think that's the only, or even the primary reason why Americans are opposed to being involved over there, you haven't been paying attention.

~stef 


On this board? I don't think it's the only reason for some - for others, it's blatantly the key reason.

Out of interest, when and why did the opinion polls change course?



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RE: State of the Union - 1/24/2007 1:20:13 PM   
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On this board? I don't think it's the only reason for some - for others, it's blatantly the key reason.

I can see how it might appear that the casualty count is the key reason because it's the main thing being pushed in our faces by the media and is the latest "salt in the wound," but most of the people against the war felt that way long before the casualties started piling up. 

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Out of interest, when and why did the opinion polls change course?

Beats the hell out of me, I don't follow opinion polls. 

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