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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 10:58:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Archer
I'm saying that almost invariable an emotional attachment will form as a result of the relationship.


It is not emotional attachment but the drawing of need to feed...be it lust ... mental or physical...

One gets the cycle completed regardless of emotional involment.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:00:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I am sure there are some that can submit without a connection to the dominant that they have given their power to, but I would venture to take a wild guess and state that this would not be very common.


Then it exists.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:01:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: felicitousdove

I think this coems down to: Does one need love to have a successful Ds relationship?


Emotion does not always equate to love does it?

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RE: Emotion and dominance - 2/5/2007 11:06:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: amayos
Emotion is a necessary engine in the human animal to make good decisions

Emotion is not needed to survive.  It could be argued that animals can survive without emotion. I am sure a dog does not get emotional looking for food.
 
 
based upon the volume of constantly shifting input life inevitably brings—therefore it is impossible for us to escape emotion if we are to be good, thinking animals, true to our feelings and instincts.

Again it is something chosen not something needed to function within the realm of domination.
 

Additionally, considerable empathetic abilities are often required in human domination, and those who dominate well are in touch with those abilities.

I can touch a submissive or bottom regardless of how emotionaless I may be. I can bring out emotion in a submissive while displaying none.


These processes are not to be considered interchangeable with the popular notion of romantic love, however. Dominance can and does exist without love, but good dominance at its base does involve a suitable degree of empathy and human understanding, even if simply to know how to dominate better.

Understanding emotion and practicing / displaying it are differnet animals all together.
 
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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:08:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: griffn

Not in my experience but it does help to create a deeper level of trust etc. I think that  with out trying there is a emotional component to scening that just happens automatically whether I want it or not.   

Emotion is something that some seek as it gives the role some spice.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:10:28 AM   
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How will you expierence sub space or Dom space without emotion being involved?

SCD

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:12:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Dispassionatly speaking emotional connection is not required however I would contend that over time it will almost invarriably result from it.



Service is rendered and followed as that is the way it should be.

One can be a fine submissive without emotional burdens attached under the guise of devotion.

One can deliver proper discpline to a submissive without compassion, empathy or emotion.

Both can function in a give and take performance of roles.

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i agree with the above completely. i'm one of those who could even be the property of someone without any emotional attachment of any kind with that person. it's not a situation i would particularly like, but i am capable of it, because my need and drive to submit has nothing to do with emotions. i don't submit because i want to, like to, or cuz it turns me on, i submit because it's who i am, how i naturally respond to the world around me, and i can no more NOT submit than i could mentally will my heart to stop beating. so for someone like me a D/s relationship, even a M/s relationship...punishment, discipline, training, devoted service, etc...are all possible, completely devoid of any emotion.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:13:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Anybody that tells you that there is no emotional attachment whatsoever does not know what they are talking about or they are a stone. 

Yes your perception gives you the illusion that this may be so...it is based on your preferences and experiences...however it does not make it fact.


Mind you, you can make the claim that you are a dominant that lacks emotion, but you will be an unattached dominant unless you are a psychopath and your charge buys into that MO.

By what fact are you basing your claims or are these indeed your perceptions?
 
 


There has to be SOME form of attachment there to form some type of bond necessary to be a power exchange. 

There merely needs to be consent of will to subject one to another. Period.


It could be as simplistic as a friendship bond, or as complex as a lover, but there *must* be a bond of some sort in a D/s dynamic. 

Where does it state that in domination 101? The bond is the role and acting upon it.


You have to be able to care for your charge and help them to blossom.  This requires a form of attachment or you are going to be one seriously piss poor dominant.

Domination need not nuture nor set goals to obtain for the submissive or bottom. Again your perception equates your expectations with that of rating one who might practice differenct from your understandings.
 
 
But in any relationship, vanilla, BDSM or otherwise, an emotional bond is a mandatory requirement.

Domination without emotion does not need to confine itself to the human expression for desirous attachements.



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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:13:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SCDommie

How will you expierence sub space or Dom space without emotion being involved?

SCD


not everyone experiences or seeks to experience subspace (i've been in the lifestyle for 7 yrs, owned for most of that time, and still am not exactly sure what the heck "subspace" means). also, from what i understood about the concept, it's more about endorphins and such, not emotions??

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:15:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GentlehandSTL

I can dominate someone w/o the emotion.

I can motive without emotion

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:17:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: agirl

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But it doesn't HAVE to have anything to do with it nor is it needed for there to be domination. I was *dominated* by respect for a greater length of time. I am enormously attached NOW, emotionally, but it wasn't the case for years. Taking my personal situation out of the question...domination does not NEED emotional attachment to occur.



Sometimes some do not need the emotional rationalization to crave domination for its pure and siplest form.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:18:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ArcherIt may not be nessisary to begin the D/s relationship but as the relationship continues I doubt if it can last very long at all without some emotional attachment developing.


So it does exist and can substain for a duration without emotion.

To choose to add emotion is putting the sprinkles on the icecream

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:20:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul

do you have to be in love in order to have a sexual relationship? Some will say yes, some will say no and neither is wrong and neither is right, it boils down to what as individuals they want, need, and feel.


Sprinkles on ice cream or not?

you want nuts with that?



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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:23:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bandit25

One can be dominant or submissive without emotion.  I'm not sure how that dynamic would work, tho. 


So is it fear of the unknown for some then?

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:36:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

Sure subs can be dominated without emotion. You play, they obey because they like the play and in their mind that is the way it is supposed to be. However, without debating the definition of love, I also know if I FEEL love, my form of domination will be stronger.


A man obtains a dog.

He feed the dog.

He gives the dog shelter.

These are things a dog grows to enjoy.

The dog responds to the owner.

The owner chooses to personify the relationship by saying the dog "loves" him or has some "emotional attachement" where as the owner is just the care giver.

Where is the emotion measured?

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:38:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Why does emotion have to be defined as "love"?  I find that concept simply ridiculous.  There are so many emotions that fall outside of that umbrella.

Name other emotions that do not incliude love.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:39:15 AM   
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In my opinion, in any Ds relationship, there is a bit of emotion.  Personally, I need to feel that a Dom will make sure play is safe.  Being protected elicits warm and fuzzy thoughts in me.  Does that have any sort of romantic meaning?  No.  You need to at least respect one another on some level though.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:42:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MaryTI haven't read through the thread, but does desire count as emotion?  If so, the desire to dominate counts too, so at least some emotion is necessary. 



Shame on you.

Go to the beginning and dso not collect $200.

Then ask Me the question.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:44:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SirDominic

Fascinating the way these threads develop. The OP asked a simple question. The simple answer is no, Domination does not need emotion attached to be domination.


Perception is rather interesting.

While I respect the rights to voice their opinions I do not necessarily cater to the same beliefs nor do I oppose them.

Interesting that you asked why I posted this.

BDSM in My perception is for thinking people. It is a matter of intelligence and communication.

Domination need not be submissive to emotion

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RE: Emotion and dominance - 2/5/2007 11:45:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Emotion is not needed to survive. It could be argued that animals can survive without emotion. I am sure a dog does not get emotional looking for food.


Indeed, you could make that argument, but it wouldn't be a very good one if you reflect upon it for any length of time.

As for canines, they are among the most emotional forms of life I've interacted with yet, outside of humans—but never mind that. Your example of "looking for food" often comes with hunger as a motivation. Hunger is a desire for food, or a feeling of weakness or discomfort caused by the lack of it, and is in fact an excellent example of illustrating how the emotional process is neurologically and biochemically rooted into animals as a tool of survival.


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