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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 7:02:10 PM

marieToo

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Domination does not need emotion attached to be domination right?

Ross

I think as long as a person is breathing, they are feeling emotions. I do not think anyone can do anything without feeling something that drives them to do whatever it is they are doing. (unless theyre in a coma or something). Even the state of indifference has a driving force behind it.
However, I do think someone can dominate another person without being emotionally connected to the person they are dominanting. People do that all the time.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 7:06:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Subspace is not dependant on emotion.

Ross

It is for me. I've yet to reach subspace when there's no emotion involved. I'm thinking that if you're going to argue with everyone else's point of view just because it doesn't match your own regarding emotions and playing, you might as well add this to the mix too. If I'm playing with someone and there's no emotion, no connection beyond that moment of play, I do not EVER hit subspace. And when emotion is present, I do.

So, to me, subspace is heavily dependant on emotion.

For me.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 8:12:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: julietsierra

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Subspace is not dependant on emotion.

Ross

It is for me. I've yet to reach subspace when there's no emotion involved. I'm thinking that if you're going to argue with everyone else's point of view just because it doesn't match your own regarding emotions and playing, you might as well add this to the mix too. If I'm playing with someone and there's no emotion, no connection beyond that moment of play, I do not EVER hit subspace. And when emotion is present, I do.

So, to me, subspace is heavily dependant on emotion.

For me.

juliet

I personally have never experienced subspace (as far as I imagine it to be) but I think yours is a good example of how our physical and mental "feelings" sort of co-operate to a point where it's almost impossible to separate the physical feelings from the mental feelings. I think they actually morph into one. Mental feelings/emotions manifest in the physical body and vice versa.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:46:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Domination does not need emotion attached to be domination right?

Ross

When one dominates or submits without emotion attached then you are acting from a place that is in essence a vacuum. A setting that has no resonating connection with the other involved.

Thus there is no possibility of a D/s connection between two people. Might as well be whipping a dog or jumping up onto a hot stove to burn your own ass.

Without emotional attachment from both ends you have nothing more then self-centered deficient needs fulfillment. D/s acts that never quite expand your own boundaries and experiences.

my best
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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/6/2007 6:43:55 AM

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I NEED emotional attachment to submit. Therefore you can not dominate me without emotional attachment. It depends on the people involved.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/6/2007 6:50:21 AM

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TypeAsub1 - I cannot imagine submitting either, without feeling some type of emotional attachement. I believe amayos summed this up pretty well, previously, in his comments on this thread.

I realize people "play" at public dungeons, and parties with people they may not know well - but to me, that is a completely different "connection", with an understanding that the activity will be temporary, and probably a one-time thing (and not something I've done at all, at least so far). And just because an activity such as this is temporary does not prohibit an emotional connection (it just might not be deep or lasting - maybe it would be, but probably not is my guess, but it can be there, for a time, I'd suppose).

But for me to be someone's actual submissive, I need to feel a distinct (and deeper) emotional connection to them, or I just don't ever get into the "head-space" where I feel I am being dominated - even if they are "acting Dominant" (and I do believe bdsm is 99% mentally and emotionally created between two people anyway).

- Susan

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/6/2007 12:32:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: TypeAsub1

I NEED emotional attachment to submit. Therefore you can not dominate me without emotional attachment. It depends on the people involved.

I totally agree. I have to feel like the Dom gives a shit, and I need to have respect, at the very least, for him.

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RE: Emotion and dominance - 2/6/2007 12:42:33 PM

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amayos

Emotion and instinct are inextricably linked and work together in translating outside stimuli for the ultimate success or wellbeing of an organism. How you feel about something determines your behavior.

Another perspicuously written post Amayos. I was going to anthropmorhise your response, but then I had to admit to myself that you, Amayos, are just a man and not the great, furry, furtive, intelligent sasquach of NH ---- that elusive beastman so curiously portrayed in the "In Search of" episodes.

No, but seriously, when did you become such an optimist? I thought you were from the "spock" school of thought whereby human emotions are considered both irrational and destructive --- (and in my experience often self serving to boot.)

But here you claim that our emotions work to protect our well being!! Frankly, I think you must have written this right after a satisfying sexual episode. To provide a bit more equilibrium to your position, I suggest you call your mother and argue with her a bit on the phone, after which you can revisit how emotions positively serve a human being.

My guess is you'll be a little less optimistic.

O, and given that you seem to have some impressive answers to complex questions about the human condition and our emotional, pychological makeup, I want to ask you, have you seen Pelosi's HBO documentary FRIENDS WITH GOD.

How do you explain those nut jobs?

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RE: Emotion and dominance - 2/6/2007 4:27:40 PM

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Woosh. What's with the hating on amayos?????????
Ya know Ide swear you were jealous the guy gets hella lot more action than yourself. Somebody has to be the hot guy around here. Don't be sad it's not you. And don't be such a cunt bucket. ha. Seriously though, you should fuckin eat spit, stu**d fuc** tard. Jesus. And yes, I see what your thinking before you say it pertaining to 'free speech forums'. But I am the forum asshole. Why does it seems like everyone else wants to be the asshole too! It doesn't work that way. I am the forum asshole, nobody else!

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RE: Emotion and dominance - 2/6/2007 8:57:26 PM

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cloudboy is just teasing amayos (hopefully amayos knows this). I think they are friends (at least that's what I heard). Heck, last Spring, they were gonna get married, as a joke (hehe).

- Susan

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/7/2007 12:17:46 AM

SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: marieTooI think as long as a person is breathing, they are feeling emotions. I do not think anyone can do anything without feeling something that drives them to do whatever it is they are doing. (unless theyre in a coma or something). Even the state of indifference has a driving force behind it.

Not meaning to be a stick in the mud, but this is not entirely true. I am entirely capable of, and have, done things without feeling and emotion. I am quite capable of detaching myself from situations for instance which tends to lead to me being particularly ruthless when the situation warrants. I am not saying that is a good thing necessarily. Just a case in point.

And psychopaths are another one. They can function with no emotions. Simply murder in cold blood. It is an extreme example, but I am just citing it as a case in point that it is possible for people to function without emotion.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/7/2007 3:10:11 AM

catize

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Domination does not need emotion attached to be domination right?

Ross

Would you dominate if you did not feel some sense of satisfaction, contentment or even happiness that a need has been fulfilled?
If the answer to my question is ‘no’, then my answer to your question is ‘no’.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/7/2007 5:45:33 AM

steviemichael

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I tend to find more and more in the lifestyle looking or their motive is a partner that you would be more suited place in the romatic *wants*relationsip or a father of my three kids ad pages ..
my point simple where is the cold hearted one night sessions these days

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RE: Emotion and dominance - 2/7/2007 10:36:03 AM

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Pay no attention, Amayos pays off others to defend him on the MB. Its the only way he can garner any support for his positions.

I'm sure she got about $250.00 to post that.

Next week Amayos is meeting LAM for a mud wrestling match in a leatherbar in Greenwich Village. The winner of the contest will be crowned the CMMB UBER DOM.

Press reports have amayos showing up as "cross face."

Note: my moniker does denote me as "evil."

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RE: Emotion and dominance - 2/7/2007 10:39:25 AM

SusanofO

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cloudboy: Wow, you're on a roll, this early-afternoon.

- Susan

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/7/2007 11:31:38 AM

LVpet

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Domination does not need emotion attached to be domination right?

When you take a submissive/slave and begin to mold them in to the type of person that you desire them to be, do you not feel pride when they accomplish goals that you have set for them?
When you are in a heavy scene do you not check in with your submissive/slave to ensure that all is ok, thus exibiting a degree of concern for their well being?
Do you not feel disappointment or anger when your submissive/slave disobeys?
Emotions do not need to be attached to Domination to make it Domination, but emotions are attached to every facet of our lives.

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RE: Emotion and dominance - 2/7/2007 5:43:07 PM

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Your an idiot, plain and simple. don't ask why or how, everyone on the board thinks so, its in your posts, trust us. now i'm not saying you'll always be an idiot cause there are plenty of people on these boards who started out as idiots and have matured, however you have yet to prove yourself. i'm serious you really are, just stop posting for a while or get a friend to look them over or something, i dont know. You just keep on talking crap and you don't shut up about it so i'm going to make nice and say I hope you stick a plastic gun in your mouth and pull the trigger (while its loaded)...just so me and the other 99% of the community can be in peace.

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RE: Emotion and dominance - 2/7/2007 5:45:39 PM

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whose an idiot?

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RE: Emotion and dominance - 2/7/2007 7:52:11 PM

SusanofO

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czarforever: Trust me - cloudboy is joking. You gotta believe me (and I did not get paid to say that, he). I swear it is a joke. Where is amayos these days, anyway?!

- Susan

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/7/2007 9:49:07 PM

marieToo

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: marieTooI think as long as a person is breathing, they are feeling emotions. I do not think anyone can do anything without feeling something that drives them to do whatever it is they are doing. (unless theyre in a coma or something). Even the state of indifference has a driving force behind it.

Not meaning to be a stick in the mud, but this is not entirely true. I am entirely capable of, and have, done things without feeling and emotion. I am quite capable of detaching myself from situations for instance which tends to lead to me being particularly ruthless when the situation warrants. I am not saying that is a good thing necessarily. Just a case in point.

Ok but if your are deliberately detaching yourself so that you can be ruthless, this is all driven by things you are feeling. No?
The detachment itself, for instance---Are you not shutting down because you are feeling something that you think is innapropriate or non-productive? Aren't you detaching in order to get yourself into a 'ruthless' frame of mind?

I mean, I don't know what you're refering to here, but if you really think about the basics, don't you see feelings (emotions) behind all of this?

quote:

And psychopaths are another one. They can function with no emotions. Simply murder in cold blood. It is an extreme example, but I am just citing it as a case in point that it is possible for people to function without emotion.

Maybe in a case like that it could be true. But I would think that even in extreme cases like that, something happened in the sociopaths life that drove him and/or continues to drive his indifference. Almost like building up a callous in order to protect oneself. I mean, I really don't know, so this is just a stab in the dark on the sociopath thing. I dont know if they are born that way, or its the result of being damaged emotionally.

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