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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:46:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgainThe original post wasn’t clear and we all had to choose what the word emotion meant to us.


Perception based on experience and projection of one's beliefs right?

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RE: Emotion and dominance - 2/5/2007 11:48:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterKalif


...domination can exist without emotion, yet as humans we feel empathy and understanding as well as the need to create bonds, and as such, domination is better with these factors in place...in fact as I am a passionate person to the core, I believe in Dominating with human emotions involved, makes it more meaningful I think.


So do those on that side of the room believe that a relationship is something that needs emotion and can not just be done but needs interaction and constant communication?

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:52:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl.from the dom responses i have seen here, it seems that some type of attachment (whatever you want to call it) does tend to form over time  and may or may not have been the initial intent.  But for others, perhaps it never gets to that point...regardless of the duration of the relationship. 


Projection of what others want?

Rose colored glasses?

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 11:57:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: gandalf0297

No. It does not NEED to be there. In it's most simplistic form. But it Will be there as the relationship moves forward.


The relationship is basic need of domination. Emotional attachment need not be present.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 12:00:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: velvetears

Can you eat a hamburger with no condiments, or mashed potatoes with no butter? Sure you can but it won't taste as good. Thats how i would view domination/submission without any emotional attachment - bland as hell. 

In your perception  it may be bland...for another it may be heaven.

What is one person's ceiling is another person's floor.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 12:01:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

[when I ask  a question to this forum my entire intent is to spark an ongoing discussion, and discussion is not a static thing. If the OP feels we have all hijacked his thread, well we are discussing the concept, which is a compliment to the OP, not an insult. If it is a worthwhile thing to ponder for us, we will talk about related elements.


Forums are for intelligent discussion and musing. you have done as it was meant for.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 12:02:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dear SirDiscipliner69, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
In my mind's eyes I see; the word 'emotion' is extremely broad.  Emotions are within us always, as it is a sense of being.  The emotions of awareness, pleasure, concern, fear, joy, the rush of endorphins and adrenillins, the mind will process many emotions on a rapid rate.
 
In my mind's eyes I see, as a Dominant-- I have pride in my work, that is an emotion which manifests silently onto the other's person.  The emotional attachment may not be directed to the target person but, emotions that deal with a Dominant internally will manifest through the arts, skills, knowledge when the Dominant is at rest or in a scene.  Usually through body language and the temperature of our skin.
 
In my mind's eyes I see, as a Dominant--I do not have to have feelings towards my victim/target/submissive/slave.  They can often be a stranger that is a impromptu demonstration body/victim.  Unknown to me who they are -- my skills will manifest on my energy which is rooted within me.
 
Emotions are fluid and at most times we're aware of said emotions, without distraction or focusing on a skill.  Our emotions can be masked, e.g. poker face.  But, contained within us--just as much as we have our senses--we'll always have emotional moments, some extremely faint and some extremely profound.  Emotions, in my mind's eye is part of the soul or spirit within.  It makes our intended actions evil or good, with all the degrees in between.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Emotion and dominance - 2/5/2007 12:06:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: amayos, do we do anything without some form of emotion attached? Emphatically I say, no. The crux is the tyranny of what emotions we socially recognize as "valid" and are expected to contain regarding a particular interaction.


So you are saying it is socail norms that you may base some of your opinion on?

Peer pressure?

Accepted doctrine?

Learned behavious from given authorities?

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 12:09:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

no, domination does not require emotion to be domination. and i would go even further to say that many are unable to dominate when there is emotion attached.


I am glad somebody finally came to this point.

Nice insight.

So how many feel they might be incapable of severe punishment or discipline to thier submissive because of emotional attachement / envolvement?

Does anyone find themselves questioning their dominance or right to because of feeling they may harbor?

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 12:16:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SCDommie

How will you expierence sub space or Dom space without emotion being involved?

SCD


Subspace is not dependant on emotion.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 12:22:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69
Service is rendered and followed as that is the way it should be.One can be a fine submissive without emotional burdens attached under the guise of devotion.One can deliver proper discpline to a submissive without compassion, empathy or emotion.
Both can function in a give and take performance of roles.



i agree with the above completely. i'm one of those who could even be the property of someone without any emotional attachment of any kind with that person.

Nice to know of some without the burden of envolvement of the emotions

it's not a situation i would particularly like, but i am capable of it,

How do you know you are capable of it if you have not completed such? Wishful thinking is all well and good but sometimes the eyes are bigger than the mouth when it comes to the banquet.


because my need and drive to submit has nothing to do with emotions.

your desires are there are they not to submit?

i don't submit because i want to, like to, or cuz it turns me on, i submit because it's who i am, how i naturally respond to the world around me, 

That could potentially cause you problems I am sure...


and i can no more NOT submit than i could mentally will my heart to stop beating. so for someone like me a D/s relationship, even a M/s relationship...punishment, discipline, training, devoted service, etc...are all possible, completely devoid of any emotion.

So you will yourself to your desires and that of others simply because you exist?




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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 12:24:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyone4you
Being protected elicits warm and fuzzy thoughts in me. 


That is common sense not emotion to protect you.

you chose to label it with emotion

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RE: Emotion and dominance - 2/5/2007 12:26:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: amayos

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Emotion is not needed to survive. It could be argued that animals can survive without emotion. I am sure a dog does not get emotional looking for food.


Indeed, you could make that argument, but it wouldn't be a very good one if you reflect upon it for any length of time.

As for canines, they are among the most emotional forms of life I've interacted with yet, outside of humans—but never mind that. Your example of "looking for food" often comes with hunger as a motivation. Hunger is a desire for food, or a feeling of weakness or discomfort caused by the lack of it, and is in fact an excellent example of illustrating how the emotional process is neurologically and biochemically rooted into animals as a tool of survival.


You are confusing primal insticts with that of human emotion. It is not wise to personify animals. It is also unlucky to be supersticious.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 12:53:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69
Service is rendered and followed as that is the way it should be.One can be a fine submissive without emotional burdens attached under the guise of devotion.One can deliver proper discpline to a submissive without compassion, empathy or emotion.
Both can function in a give and take performance of roles.



i agree with the above completely. i'm one of those who could even be the property of someone without any emotional attachment of any kind with that person.

Nice to know of some without the burden of envolvement of the emotions

it's not a situation i would particularly like, but i am capable of it,

How do you know you are capable of it if you have not completed such? Wishful thinking is all well and good but sometimes the eyes are bigger than the mouth when it comes to the banquet.


because my need and drive to submit has nothing to do with emotions.

your desires are there are they not to submit?

i don't submit because i want to, like to, or cuz it turns me on, i submit because it's who i am, how i naturally respond to the world around me, 

That could potentially cause you problems I am sure...


and i can no more NOT submit than i could mentally will my heart to stop beating. so for someone like me a D/s relationship, even a M/s relationship...punishment, discipline, training, devoted service, etc...are all possible, completely devoid of any emotion.

So you will yourself to your desires and that of others simply because you exist?




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let me begin by saying, i'm a weirdo. lol. and by that i mean, my perspectives on certain things and needs behind certain things are often drastically different than most.

i know i'm capable of being someone's slave devoid of any emotional attachment because i know me and what drives my submission, as well as what drives my need to be owned. emotion has nothing do with it. it's also not a case of "wishful thinking", as that's not the sort of situation i would ever desire or like, but it's one i could accept and tolerate, while still functioning properly/well as a slave.

also, i do not have this general "desire" to submit. there have been many times when i have had a very strong desire NOT to submit. however i submitted anyway, because it's all i know or can do. it's just my nature, and has nothing to do with anything i want/yearn for/like/etc. and yes being this way has caused me a great deal of problems throughout life, from being a target of regular abuse from early childhood on up through the late teens. it was only being owned (at 19), and having an Owner who cared about my well-being and therefore took measures to protect me, that put a stop to this. were it not for him i'm very positive i'd have been long dead by now.

soo...that is why emotional attachment is not a necessary component for me when i submit, and how i can understand that likewise domination requires no emotional attachment in order to exist or even thrive.





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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 1:23:02 PM   
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But interestingly enough, your example is a good example for how the OP worded the question. Soooo, why do you do it? You must have had other emotions . There are other emotions outside of love. What made you enjoy it? Pride? Self competitiveness? Curiosity?(of the subs reactions) aren't those still emotions?
 
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

I have a friend who ask's me to Dom her at play events. Other than being a friend I have no emotional attachment to her. It is a release for her and I just facilitate it. We go our seperate ways when we leave the club.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 1:51:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pro Dom/mee s do it all the time, enter into emotionless relationships. One pro Domme in my circle, gave up her chosen occupation because she learned that she needed the emotional involvement. 

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RE: Emotion and dominance - 2/5/2007 5:43:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

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Indeed, you could make that argument, but it wouldn't be a very good one if you reflect upon it for any length of time.

As for canines, they are among the most emotional forms of life I've interacted with yet, outside of humans—but never mind that. Your example of "looking for food" often comes with hunger as a motivation. Hunger is a desire for food, or a feeling of weakness or discomfort caused by the lack of it, and is in fact an excellent example of illustrating how the emotional process is neurologically and biochemically rooted into animals as a tool of survival.


You are confusing primal insticts with that of human emotion. It is not wise to personify animals. It is also unlucky to be supersticious.



One more time:

Emotion and instinct are inextricably linked and work together in translating outside stimuli for the ultimate success or wellbeing of an organism. How you feel about something determines your behavior. Emotion itself is part of instinct's fixed set of behaviors and reactions to sensual input.

There is an emotive and logistic architecture to our decision making process, a large part of which lies within the frontal cortex of our brains. One quality may be more dominant than the other, but the reality is both parties are in constant dialog with each other in order to arrive upon the best decisions for the individual in every task. In times of moral/logical conflict, these two qualities of the brain compete strongly. There are a few classic mental exercises to illustrate this process, if you are interested.

Lastly, I contend that humans do not own some sort of biological copyright on emotion. Expressing such is not anthropomorphizing animals at all; it's common sense based upon observation, regardless of the fact that science increasingly supports this notion as well. Our emotions are of course more involved due to our physiological complexity and are human in nature, but emotional reactions in general are not exclusive solely to our species.



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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 6:22:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

no, domination does not require emotion to be domination. and i would go even further to say that many are unable to dominate when there is emotion attached.


I am glad somebody finally came to this point.

Nice insight.

So how many feel they might be incapable of severe punishment or discipline to thier submissive because of emotional attachement / envolvement?

Does anyone find themselves questioning their dominance or right to because of feeling they may harbor?

Ross
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That would imply one has to punish to dominate. In our dynamic I would feel that there was a failure in our dynamic if punishment were necessary to keep it intact. I do not see punishing as a dominant act in our relationship, I see it the opposite way in fact. Surely I have given over the right to have him discipline me as a part of my submission, and he could be punishing too if he chose at this point. He disciplines me all the time, but he has never been punishing to me. I am submissive not out of fear of punishment, but out of desire to please. I would not want to please someone who felt nothing for me... but that is just me and others have different types of relationships.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 6:39:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Haven't had time to read anyone else's posts, but I don't think domination needs any emotion attached to it.  As in loving someone and other happy type feelings, if that is what you were trying to ask, but am not quite sure. 

But when one does dominate isn't there some need being filled?  Not being a Dominant I could only take a stab at that and say yes.  Even if that emotion is fulfillment or satisfaction, aloofness or coldness, or whatever.   I mean the Dominant must feel something if he or she is human.  I don't believe they make a Dom/Domme 2010 robot yet.   Or maybe there is something I just am not aware of? 

Anyway, to each his own.  All I can say is that as a submissive and being the person that I am, I could not yield or give of myself without having some connection to my Dominant.

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RE: Domination does not need emotion attached to be dom... - 2/5/2007 6:50:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Domination does not need emotion attached to be domination right?



Wrong!

Emotions is a part of our human existence... of course... the specific emotions demonstrated in a particular D/s dynamic will be subjective to the persons involved.  Be it Fear Love..etc.. or a mixture.

Show me a person that has no emotions.. .. You are showing me someone that is Dead

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