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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 2:13:24 PM   
Devilslilsister


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But i do wish them luck


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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 2:15:16 PM   
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Might have considered joining the Free State Project except my dedication simply doesn't hold up to the frozen wastelands of the north. Even for that cause I won't go that far north, LOL.

And I keep hoping beyond hope to see someone put the FairTax Act up for a vote, so we can get some real debate going, instead of the attack ads they put out lying about the act.


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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 2:18:30 PM   
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How about some plain www.fairtax.org -



yep just another form of unfair taxation!

this country came into existance over unfair taxation our founders warned about this kind of taxation as well.  just jumping from the frying pan inot the fire.

How about constitutional taxation?  whats wrong with that?


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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 2:20:09 PM   
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i heard about this movement of trying to get 10k liberals into NH by like, what, 2110 so it can decare itself a liberal state [or was it libertarians??]

thats one way to get the ball moving

people were reimbursed for the move too


That would be Libertarians. It is called the Free State Project.

Any such attempt will only succeed because the powers that be instigated and supported it. I smell a rat. Better stay away from such an attempt.

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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 2:22:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		What's unfair about it then?
Cite the problems and I'll answer them to the best of my ability.

Regression? NOPE it exempts all purchases up to the poverty level through a prebate. Thus leaving all those under that level untaxed at all. After that it becomes a matter of how much you consume. Consume more pay more consume less pay less.



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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 2:23:28 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Archer

Again with the off base replies.
Broken down so you can get them straight

#1 Getting a good lawyer now is kinda closing the barn door after the horse is out since the couple has been convicted.
(appeals not withstanding)
#2 helping a convicted felon barricade himself and resist arrest regardless of if you feel he is not guilty is a crime and those helping could get hammered when this closes. Good lawyers can't help much getting you off if you ever fire a shot at a federal officer attempting to perform his lawfull duty.
#3 The citing o the Ruby Ridge and taugnting Federal law enforcement in no way indicated my own view on either of the prior cases, so you're taking off on those tangents is not germaine to the issues at hand.



seens to me the first mention of those off base notions was in your post:
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ORIGINAL: Archer
Citing WACO and RUBY RIDGE, come in and get me coppers mentality.


if you do not want the conversation to go there then dont bring it up cuz i wont hesitate to go there with you.

just to keep the record straight here


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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 2:25:18 PM   
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What's unfair about it then?
Cite the problems and I'll answer them to the best of my ability.

Regression? NOPE it exempts all purchases up to the poverty level through a prebate. Thus leaving all those under that level untaxed at all. After that it becomes a matter of how much you consume. Consume more pay more consume less pay less.



unapportioned tax
unapportioned tax is unconstitional on wages, that is income regardless of how you want to sneak it out of people.  uapportioned tax is reserved for those in business as a corporate tax

This also ties in with the federal reserve corporation and their ability to create money out of thin air


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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 2:34:44 PM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		I cited his citation as seen in the interview on TV last week.
He was citing them as the "reason" for his barricading himself in.

You took the citation of his mentioning them as a reason for doing what he is doing as if it were mine thus OFF BASE.
If you needed clarification all you had to do was ask but no instead you jumped to a conclussion.

Brown during an interview with TV media practicly challanged the Feds to Come in and get me.
Made himself look like a kook, spoiling for a showdown. All I did was comment on that.

And instead of following the basic idea you sidetracked off into your own feelings on the other incedents and jumped to a conclussion of what my views of them are.

Just as clarification
Even though I believe the father of the Ruby Ridge was a racist associated with Aryan Nation, I actually think the BATF acted stupidly and that the whole chain from on scene to Albright should have been fired over it.
Waco I saw as a regretable accident, but still a matter of the Feds jumping the gun and acting too quickly with terrible consequences.

But then again probably too sheepish for your own taste so I must be a dupe, LOL



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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 2:41:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


unapportioned tax
unapportioned tax is unconstitional on wages, that is income regardless of how you want to sneak it out of people.  uapportioned tax is reserved for those in business as a corporate tax

This also ties in with the federal reserve corporation and their ability to create money out of thin air



#1 have you even read the FAir Tax Act??????
evidently not or you would know it does not tax wages at all.


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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 2:46:36 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Archer
Just as clarification
Even though I believe the father of the Ruby Ridge was a racist associated with Aryan Nation, I actually think the BATF acted stupidly and that the whole chain from on scene to Albright should have been fired over it.
Waco I saw as a regretable accident, but still a matter of the Feds jumping the gun and acting too quickly with terrible consequences.

But then again probably too sheepish for your own taste so I must be a dupe, LOL




Accident?  When you can see the flame throwers in the back blowing fire and fuel?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5369116450757675658&q=WACO-


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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 2:48:09 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Archer

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


unapportioned tax
unapportioned tax is unconstitional on wages, that is income regardless of how you want to sneak it out of people.  uapportioned tax is reserved for those in business as a corporate tax

This also ties in with the federal reserve corporation and their ability to create money out of thin air



#1 have you even read the FAir Tax Act??????
evidently not or you would know it does not tax wages at all.





oh so wages are different from income then?

apparentlysomeone forgot to tell the irs. to answer your question no i have not tons of links talking about about no meat for me to review

rolling back cororate tax is wrong!  corporate tax is constitutional  so the fair tax act may not be so fair after all since they have to get money from somewhere..


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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 2:54:09 PM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		LOL IT TAXES SPENDING it's a replacement of income taxes with a retail sale tax.
So it does not tax income or wages.
Reading the Act itself might be some help before saying trying to say what it taxes half cocked.

#1 it abollishes the 16th ammendment
#2 it is tax replacement and revenue neutral
#3 if eliminates all payroll taxes SS, Medicare, FICA and pays for them within the 23% retail sales tax.

Then maye trying the link provided earlier and now repeated might help.

http://www.fairtax.org/fairtax/about.htm

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:1:./temp/~c110k78a9C::

The second link is to the bill itself not an advocacy site
thomas.loc.gov is a great source for the actual texts of bills.




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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 2:58:49 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Archer

LOL IT TAXES SPENDING it's a replacement of income taxes with a retail sale tax.
So it does not tax income or wages.
Reading the Act itself might be some help before saying trying to say what it taxes half cocked.

#1 it abollishes the 16th ammendment
#2 it is tax replacement and revenue neutral
#3 if eliminates all payroll taxes SS, Medicare, FICA and pays for them within the 23% retail sales tax.




great but it is an unapportioned tax!  it is not fair!  the constitutions method IS fair sorry

it does nothing to reinstate our sovereignity all it does is redistribute the unapportioned tax amazing

that is so total bullshit!

that is not the way taxes were collected pre 1916!!!

KEYWORD:  national = unapportioned LOL

whats wrong with just repealing the illegitimate 16th amendmant and be done with it? 

Tax as it used to be? 

Tell ya whats wrong with it,  repeal the 16ths = no more federal reserve corporation!

That would force this country back onto the gold standard and force them to maintain a budget and no more bullshit like wtc and iraq

this fair tax act repeals nothing just rewrites it to fake our asses out.


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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 3:03:06 PM   
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Do your friends understand that the Department of Treasury can garnish wages and freeze bank accounts?


You gotta drop off the grid and not have any bank accounts or "Wages". Of course, then there's no tax liability, so for those who want to fight it's not the way to go.

Me? I'm a big fan of "Render Unto Caesar", and as long as I can trade the worthless Federal Reserve Notes for coffee, I'll go along with the whole scam.

The CPA prepares 'em, I sign 'em, and consider it "The Cost of Doing Business". Just like the contributions to the "Legitimate Businessman's Civic Improvement Committee". But with more forms.





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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 3:12:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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Do your friends understand that the Department of Treasury can garnish wages and freeze bank accounts?


You gotta drop off the grid and not have any bank accounts or "Wages". Of course, then there's no tax liability, so for those who want to fight it's not the way to go.


that pretty close to right.  at least get rid of the government claiming you as their coppertop...  and get off the self-incriminating federal reserve standard


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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 3:24:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Workability factor comes into play at some point though, and with 60+ co sponsors I think the Fair Tax is going to have to do for you, at least it gets you part of what you are looking for.
The rest is a pipe dream

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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 3:26:56 PM   
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The Workability factor comes into play at some point though, and with 60+ co sponsors I think the Fair Tax is going to have to do for you, at least it gets you part of what you are looking for.
The rest is a pipe dream



in that case i would rather they stick with what they have because its more fair than this new proposal LOL  unfucking believable


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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 3:28:51 PM   
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Until I see another form of government that frees it’s people from corruption and has 100% agreement on everything it does and still have the freedoms we have, just not King George’s view on that, then the best way to make change is to vote and get active in the political process.



Sounds good to me. No point blaming the government when the people elect the government. I'd say change them at the election booths but there's no real choice so the only answer is to change society and the values people hold (which is easier said than done).


NorthernGent:
You have stated the problem pretty clearly.  When given a choice between being beaten with a stick or a club  and then being told you have no right to complain if you did not choose...how about the choice of not being beaten....ehhh sorry that is not on the list.
thompson

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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 3:34:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm Unbelievable??? LOL comming from you that's a real joke.

Current is more fair than a proposal you admit to not having read, if that is the way you discuss issues, that is un fn believeable.



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RE: Revolution - 2/2/2007 3:36:42 PM   
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I'm Unbelievable??? LOL comming from you that's a real joke.

Current is more fair than a proposal you admit to not having read, if that is the way you discuss issues, that is un fn believeable.





well you just gave me the links for petee acre sakes, i ran through enough to see what its about...  the carbon cycle thing took me a littlelonger that julia gave me to digest just depends on what it is

after taking a peek at it, my position has not changed it is an unapportioned tax, doing what microsoft does, puts a new face on nearly the same ole shit and markets it as a new product

think about it liek this:

simply abolish th 16th amendment and we get everything propsed in the fair tax act plus we get
no more federal fucking reserve corporation
balanced budget
apportioned fair taxation
returned to our first class sovereign citizenship status instead of this we can deny you due process shit we have now

there is nothing to cheer about here in fact the top 1% are still at the fucking helm. 

abolish the 16th and they are history!

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