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ORIGINAL: Archer

And what in that short time has determined for you that it is "less fair" by comparison to what we have?
Or was that really a matter of devil you know vs devil you don't know?


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apportionment is an issue that is dead in the water on workability, and since they both are equally unapportioned then comparing the other aspects would go towards their fairness. What are the other fairness issues you have found?

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Who do you think is going to do sales accounting?

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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Who do you think is going to do sales accounting?

We got us a State Department of Taxation and Finance that works just fine.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Real0ne:
Who is it that gets taxed 80 %
thompson

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I cant now.  i've learned too much (and ended up with 3 felonies trying).  You cant fight the government, you cant win, and until Rome falls - it will always be wrong.  To me it comes down to idealistic vs realistic.  Realistically a civil war - will just end bloody.  Another government will pop up and it to will be corrupted.  Power = corruption.  Heck, Government = corruption.   i tried stating all of this, with more logic as to while the stand off just isnt wise.  They wont win and the people involved will either end up in jail or dead.  To me - that is just the way it is.  There is nothing to do about it. I'm told, its about honor.

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

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I cant now.  i've learned too much (and ended up with 3 felonies trying).  You cant fight the government, you cant win, and until Rome falls - it will always be wrong.  To me it comes down to idealistic vs realistic.  Realistically a civil war - will just end bloody.  Another government will pop up and it to will be corrupted.  Power = corruption.  Heck, Government = corruption.   i tried stating all of this, with more logic as to while the stand off just isnt wise.  They wont win and the people involved will either end up in jail or dead.  To me - that is just the way it is.  There is nothing to do about it. I'm told, its about honor.

My only contribution to this thread is a quote that I believe rings true :

''America was born with terminal cancer.
Since it's birth it has been eaten from the inside out by the machinations of the elite cryptocracy made up of the decendents of  loyalists and aristocrats who should have been rounded up after Yorktown and shot like the traitors and pigs they were. Paradoxically, they were permitted not only to live, but to keep their land and their fortunes.''




- R

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Real0ne:
Who is it that gets taxed 80 %
thompson

a few in the upper middle class, no links handy tho sorry just soemthing i ran into noted and never saved

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Real0ne:
Who is it that gets taxed 80 %
thompson

a few in the upper middle class, no links handy tho sorry just soemthing i ran into noted and never saved

Real0ne:
That may be some pretty old data...currently, to the best of my recolection 28% is the maximum and that starts at $100,000 adjusted taxable income,that is, after you have figgured in all of your deductions.  I think it is line 34 A or some such.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Obiously you didn't read throughly.

Everything would be taxed ONCE at the end, and only new items, not used goods.
Title II Subtitle A section 1 b 2 and 3 address this and specificly speak that it will not double, multiple or cascade taxes.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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Until I see another form of government that frees it’s people from corruption and has 100% agreement on everything it does and still have the freedoms we have, just not King George’s view on that, then the best way to make change is to vote and get active in the political process.

Sounds good to me. No point blaming the government when the people elect the government. I'd say change them at the election booths but there's no real choice so the only answer is to change society and the values people hold (which is easier said than done).

NorthernGent:
You have stated the problem pretty clearly.  When given a choice between being beaten with a stick or a club  and then being told you have no right to complain if you did not choose...how about the choice of not being beaten....ehhh sorry that is not on the list.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

The majority of Britons aren't interested in what the government are doing providing they are satisfied with their personal wealth - this is the problem here, deep-rooted cultural failings. We get the government we deserve.

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

The majority of Britons aren't interested in what the government are doing providing they are satisfied with their personal wealth - this is the problem here, deep-rooted cultural failings. We get the government we deserve.

I couldn't agree more. Both the UK and the US have so called democracies based on constituencies/states which make it very difficult for a third party or even a fourth party to win representation. Since it's very difficult to get political change from within such systems, the only way is through protest and direct political action, something most ordinary people are reluctant to do unless pressed to breaking point. My guess is that is why both countries have this sort of system, it gives the pretence of democracy without there actually being democracy since both parties are part of the establishments of their respective countries. It is why both countries find going to war so easy, real democracies have great difficulty in getting enough support to fight a war unless the country is directly under threat.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

The majority of Britons aren't interested in what the government are doing providing they are satisfied with their personal wealth - this is the problem here, deep-rooted cultural failings. We get the government we deserve.

I couldn't agree more. Both the UK and the US have so called democracies based on constituencies/states which make it very difficult for a third party or even a fourth party to win representation. Since it's very difficult to get political change from within such systems, the only way is through protest and direct political action, something most ordinary people are reluctant to do unless pressed to breaking point. My guess is that is why both countries have this sort of system, it gives the pretence of democracy without there actually being democracy since both parties are part of the establishments of their respective countries. It is why both countries find going to war so easy, real democracies have great difficulty in getting enough support to fight a war unless the country is directly under threat.

i am sure that is what you said but to elaborate on it, it is the government that goes to war, usually against the wishes of the people. 

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

This is not unique to the US by any stretch of the imagination. I advocate getting a grip on the governments who are supposed to serve "the people". The problem is "the people" do not have the will to get a grip.

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

The majority of Britons aren't interested in what the government are doing providing they are satisfied with their personal wealth - this is the problem here, deep-rooted cultural failings. We get the government we deserve.

I couldn't agree more. Both the UK and the US have so called democracies based on constituencies/states which make it very difficult for a third party or even a fourth party to win representation. Since it's very difficult to get political change from within such systems, the only way is through protest and direct political action, something most ordinary people are reluctant to do unless pressed to breaking point. My guess is that is why both countries have this sort of system, it gives the pretence of democracy without there actually being democracy since both parties are part of the establishments of their respective countries. It is why both countries find going to war so easy, real democracies have great difficulty in getting enough support to fight a war unless the country is directly under threat.