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The majority of Britons aren't interested in what the government are doing providing they are satisfied with their personal wealth - this is the problem here, deep-rooted cultural failings. We get the government we deserve.
I couldn't agree more. Both the UK and the US have so called democracies based on constituencies/states which make it very difficult for a third party or even a fourth party to win representation. Since it's very difficult to get political change from within such systems, the only way is through protest and direct political action, something most ordinary people are reluctant to do unless pressed to breaking point. My guess is that is why both countries have this sort of system, it gives the pretence of democracy without there actually being democracy since both parties are part of the establishments of their respective countries. It is why both countries find going to war so easy, real democracies have great difficulty in getting enough support to fight a war unless the country is directly under threat.
i am sure that is what you said but to elaborate on it, it is the government that goes to war, usually against the wishes of the people.
We have a different way of looking at things here. IMO, blaming the government is the convenient answer - the get out of jail free card. The members of the government are a product of your society, just as "the people" are. Where a country is producing a government hell bent on destruction, the solution lies in understanding why the people in the country either support this or stand back and watch. It follows that it would be useful to understand why the main political parties advocate a similar path.
It is acceptable for an individual to denounce the main political parties while understanding there are cultural defects within "the people" which lead to the main political parties being consistently re-elected.
This is not unique to the US by any stretch of the imagination. I advocate getting a grip on the governments who are supposed to serve "the people". The problem is "the people" do not have the will to get a grip.
You have seen my posts i am sure do i seem like the type who goes in for expediency?
i suppose the only way to explain myself is with a little history.
In the beginning:
The founding fathers created a very fair system of government, as fair as humanly possible and suprisingly inclusive even in todays day in age.
The problem with any system is that its success is totally dependant on the level of morality possessed by those who empower it.
The first episode of morality failing us took place with the tax fraud that was pulled on the people in 1916. (keeping in mind that they did not have communications then like we do now and many people couldnt even afford to buy a paper)
This was brought about by: do these names sound familiar?; Carnegie, Waldorf, Rockefeller, the "old aristocracy", who in a nutshell convinced taft that life would be better as a debtor society. Now they did not have to go directly to the people to get money to make wars, they could generate a revenue exactly like in england with taxation levels placed where the public would bear it.
Well that ratcheted up the tax over time to well over 50% now days. A second problem ties into it. Many people didnt even have a grade school education much less the ability to analyse what these guys were doing in washington. So they just trusted the government, after it says we can on every dollar bill right along side the masonic eye right?
So many things became tradition as a result of corruption way back in 1916 and now that people are waking up to all this and becoming educated enough to understand that we have been fucked in many ways and have become slaves to the federal reserve and the illuminati it is a bit to late.
The time to change was back in 1916 but how? How can people know what they do not know? What they did not know up until the last few decades? The internet serves to educate the many, look at the last 10 years.
Even 10 years ago phone calls were what 17cents per minute? look at the mega hours we are on now. So sure there is shared blame but we were handed a system that was never meant to be the way it is now.
We have the same system as the uk with the aristrocracy elite in power. We have a growing fascist police state. Everything our people died to protect is being thrown out the window as a result.
Now to finally answer your question.
The problem is now, that we do not choose who runs in office the democratic party and republican party chooses. They keep regurgitating illuminati pawns and what can we do about it short of a revolt? Not to mention a good deal of people here are still dumb as a box of rocks. you will find the only rights many people know about is their right to colllect unemployment or social security or some other hand out and are clueless as to thier constitutional rights.
The problem is stopping a frieght train in motion and trying ot turn it around is a very difficult process if its possible at all falling short of a total revolt. Thats what the problem is and the reason it all came down the way it did, its simply not that simple as it all the peoples fault, but then i suppose everything in life is the peoples fualt.
Then in the end it boils down to do we revolt and risk our lives so we can have 50 bucks a day more? most people are unlikely to go into that.
Then you get those who are pro government, especially those with governemnt jobns who will want to protect those jobs and there are so many now its a raging battle.
It a very difficult socioploitical problem to unravel much less make real headway with. It gets as ignorant as arguing with 2 people on here whos names i wont bother mentioning as an example of what changing this system is like. There are many like them, and many who have graduated college like them.
How do you move people like that? The general public are not that greedy to go to war with the government over 50 bucks. its extortion i know but it works.
The only thing that will change that is things like 911 synthetic terror. then you can get most people to go to war, at least till they figure there were no wmd's, that we attacked the wrong countries, etc etc and when that pendulum swings so far as to cause pain now people begin to wake up.
Anyway my fingerts are getting numb from typing this lol but ithink you get the picture.
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