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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/4/2007 4:16:27 PM

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I am confused. Again heh. Are you saying that a slave hasn't a right to be ill? I'm not trying to pick apart your words but I don't understand that bit.

She is either ill or not, that is a fact of life not a right... what I was saying is that she has no 'Right' to have it taken into consideration. It isn't an excusse for not trying, an excuse to slack and assume the Master will allow her too get away with that.

Just because I am quite a caring Master.... don't start making those kinds of assumptions else I am likely to make quite a diffrent set of decisions and those assuptions won't be made again! I still expect her best effort even if it is, (because of a real limit, and not because she is feeling a 'bit under the weather and can't be bothered') less than normal.

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/4/2007 4:23:20 PM

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Ravenmuse,

I think this could easily go back to the "sub/slaves place" thread. It, again, is the Dom/mes place to tell you where you stand on the issue. Raven made the point well in that he is a caring Dom and will be the deciding factor in how much your illness impairs you.

An attentive D would know you well enough to know how ill you really are. If he knows you are too ill to perform and punishes you, or in some other odd fashion, demeans you do to this, it is time to revaluate the relationship.

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/4/2007 4:35:43 PM

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Thanks. Still slightly confused...but thankyou.

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/4/2007 4:38:15 PM

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Thanks. Still slightly confused...but thankyou.

I believe he means what I referred to in an earlier post, in which I highlighted and related to the same sentence you highlighted - the slave does not have the right to decide when to alter her duties. The Master does. If she is sick, the Master will determine what rest she will get, or if she is well enough to keep going, or somewhere in between.

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/4/2007 4:57:09 PM

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"you're sick. Go to bed...I'll bring in your meds and some soup. Later, I'll run you a bath."

That sound like a decent sick day?

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/4/2007 5:03:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: cjenny

Thanks. Still slightly confused...but thankyou.

edited to say that jeez sometimes I feel so dense.

I believe he means what I referred to in an earlier post, in which I highlighted and related to the same sentence you highlighted - the slave does not have the right to decide when to alter her duties. The Master does. If she is sick, the Master will determine what rest she will get, or if she is well enough to keep going, or somewhere in between.

Bless you ownedgirlie, I finally got the lightbulb to click on overhead. It is possible I couldn't see it that way because it is without a doubt my biggest hurdle, trusting another with my health. I understood it, the way you put it. Thanks!

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/4/2007 6:07:29 PM

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They get paid sick days as well as the Statutory Holidays as well... and their birthday off..... Besides that.. they are underground digging for gold.

Of course.. I am trying to bust this union.... but no see easy... they stand united and not so easy to divide.

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/4/2007 7:37:06 PM

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Most masters have an insanely hard time training their slaves to admit they NEED to take a break or slow down or ask for help.

Giving it is the easy part.

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/4/2007 8:40:49 PM

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LA's spot on. For the typical functioning and healthy relationship, it'd be far harder to get the slave or submissive in question to actually admit she's too ill to fulfill her normal duties and obligations. I would imagine most dominants would need to break the belt/cuffs/favorite tool here and use it to ensure that the slave -doesn't- try to cook, clean, tend house, etc.

I know I could just look at gretchen, and know she's got a day in bed, whether she likes it or not.

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/4/2007 11:27:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Most masters have an insanely hard time training their slaves to admit they NEED to take a break or slow down or ask for help.

Giving it is the easy part.

Absolutely. I just had a conversation about this with someone recently in fact, as this is something I am paying more attention to lately.

cjenny - you're welcome!

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/5/2007 1:34:06 AM

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*fast reply*

I am not sick often, and when I am I hate not being able to do what I normally do for Him. I broke my toe last year and could only hobble about for the first few days - He had to virtually order me to lie down and put my foot up. Recently I had a bad throat infection - although I could still do my normal duties He made sure I took my meds and sent me to bed earlier than usual so I could get more rest.

He also makes sure I go to the doctor if there's anything wrong. I tend to put things off in hopes that I will get better without medical intervention (which is why I ended up with a throat infection for longer than I should have!)

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/5/2007 2:48:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Most masters have an insanely hard time training their slaves to admit they NEED to take a break or slow down or ask for help.

Giving it is the easy part.

Exactly LA. People outside of dynamics that are closer to the TPE end of things assume that "It is not the girls right to decide how much she can do" is a Master being abusive....... rather than the fact that whilst sometimes she will be pushed further than she would push herself.... MOSTLY it means the Master IMPOSING rest when the girl would have pushed herself too far had she been ALLOWED to control that aspect.

Taking control means taking the responcibility for the situation. The girl HAS to submit to being told to rest in the same way as she submits to anything else... because it is what *I* have decided!

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/5/2007 3:04:44 AM

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To avoid this type of confusion with your Dom, when you first meet and he ask you about chores, tell them I have a person to clean my house who I pay every week, you should do the same.

LOL my Dom would say, "What's your point?' And I'd probably get a long lecture about spending money on a maid when I was capable of doing it myself. BTW I have two children at home, work full time and attend college full time.

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/5/2007 3:29:44 AM

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I agree with a lot here. When I had some horrid allergic reaction to meds last month, it was Master that had to MAKE me stay in bed and not get up to fix his breakfast. That was the very first day since we started living together that I hadn't, and I felt sooooooo guilty. It was strange having him look after me (make tea, get me meds), but it was another way he has shown me how much he loves and cares for me, and that almost made it all worth it.

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/5/2007 5:53:58 AM

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To be honest, if I had to worry about factoring in *what happens when I'm sick*, I'd be in the wrong relationship. I can imagine having to cover all scenarios....What happens if I break a leg, what happens if I catch a cold, what happens if I strain my shoulder, what happens if I run a fever.....

I assumed M would be M in all situations and I would be me..........and when things arise, they'd get dealt with in the same way that other things get dealt with.......with common-sense and with his overall direction.

I don't feel badly when I'm poorly, nor do I feel guilty........some strange voice inside my head informs me that I can't help that fact.

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/5/2007 6:55:25 AM

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He is very good to me, and always happy to help if i truly need it, so no concerns there. i'm happy to hear everyone's opinions, so that i have a greater understanding on how to build our M/s relationship, so thank Y/you for sharing!!!

Like Rayne, i tend to push myself too hard and avoid getting medical care when needed, since i'd rather take care of it myself if i can. i'm so thankful to have Him watching over me and helping me to be sure to ask for what i need to care for myself. After all, if i'm sick or have health problems, it affects my service to Him, so who does it benefit?

btw Squeakers...that's one of my cat's names. She's a blue eyed siamese mix who LOVES to talk, especially when food is involved. :)

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/5/2007 9:03:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: slave2Bruce

i made this joke in a chat room, and have really been thinking about it since.

Do You ever give Your slave sick days? If they live with You, what kind of slack (if any) do you cut them if they are sick or injured? i'm assuming it is dependent on how sick/injured they are too, so lets assume they aren't deathly ill and can still move around, even if it's at a slower pace.

i was recently collared by my Husband and have had a couple of days where i was sick. Also, even before i was collared i had certain duties that were my responsibility, and a broken tailbone affected not my ability to do them but how difficult it was to get myself to do them, just because i felt so crappy. Even with His approval to skip duties or ask for His help, i felt guilty & like i was letting Him down.

i'd appreciate to hear other's experiences, since W/we are working on O/our contract and would like to incorporate that into it.

It depends but usually I get some slack. My owner is pretty considerate (which I appreciate).

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/5/2007 12:13:08 PM

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Last year I spent a month ill. Two weeks in bed with the flu and two weeks with a botched root canal. I was of no use at all. He made soup, which is about all I ate for a month and he and the kids ate take out a lot.

Being an intelligent man he wasn't going to demand I do something I was physically unable to. What point would that be except to cause resentment and anger in both? Fine if you're looking for a reason to end the relationship but stupid otherwise.

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/5/2007 12:37:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: slave2Bruce

btw Squeakers...that's one of my cat's names. She's a blue eyed siamese mix who LOVES to talk, especially when food is involved. :)

It's my name for one of my cats too---she squeaks when picked up---therefore the reason my name is squeakers.

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RE: Sick days for slaves? - 2/5/2007 4:24:39 PM

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My opinion on this subject, is that it is a human need to have personal space, if a slave has a need for time to heal, time to feel better, time to reflect, time to be with her own hobbies, then thats important to her well being. It may not always be possible, but I feel it should be granted if it is. My thoughts.

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