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kisshou -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (2/10/2007 4:30:00 PM)
No. but the thought of it is actually really funny :)

JasonF -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (2/12/2007 7:05:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: junecleaver I think it's a good idea. It's not particularly hot to think of someone throwing a flogger at my Dominant but I do know he appreciates and somewhat understands the sensations I'm going through. I have had a flogger thrown at me. Knowing the sensations has helped me immensely. Of course, every dom has the abused inner-forearm from testing implements of doom :P

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (2/14/2007 11:42:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JasonF I have had a flogger thrown at me. Knowing the sensations has helped me immensely. Of course, every dom has the abused inner-forearm from testing implements of doom :P you make it sound so ominous.... True...so would you subject yourself to say the cattle prod or tens crancked up on your inner forearm? Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (2/14/2007 11:44:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kisshou No. but the thought of it is actually really funny :) Why do you find the idea funny? Is it because it is something that is different from the socail norm you have learned to come to expect? Is it the imagery? Or is it something else? Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (2/14/2007 11:47:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: iwearpanties i guess this type thing cane go either way as a submisive male i had a Mistress who with out telling or warning me had a Male Dom Dom me in front of her or is it made and had me submitt too him . either way a few weeks later he the Dom Male had no clue she planed too allow me too get him back wich i did i dropped his pants too the floor and spanked his ass as he did mine but i think i was harder on him then he was on only for the fact that i was feeling in side of my self i was getting him back for the humiliation he gave me . but for me the humiliation o got form him was some thing id never thought would ever happen too me So do you think this is proper behaviour for all involved? Would this have been something you would have agreed to if you known it was coming? Do you find it different to not know rather than know what will be done within your consenting limits? Ross ©º°¨¨°º© Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (2/14/2007 11:48:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit Amen. I actually talked about this in my own profile. Its endlessly annoying when people try and equate their 20 years worth of spanking two submissives as to wearing a bigger hat then everyone else. If that is directed to Me I have had that times twenty five....but I am sure it was not. Sometimes others think their point is more relevant than others so when one might put it in perspective in chronilogical fashion it sometimes helps. Never let your head get bigger than your hat size.[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m10.gif[/image] Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (2/14/2007 12:01:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit quote: ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69 Everyone started somewhere sometime..even if Mine was over twenty years ago. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m10.gif[/image] Ross I'm just curious as to why you are asking this question then. I ask so others that are starting might have shared experiences of those more experienced...it helps evoke discussion. One would think with 20 years of experience, one might provide endless amounts of insight into this topic, rather than asking for the insights of others on such a generally novice question. Actually the key is to being a good listener...one learns much in that fashion rather than rambling on..... With 20 years experience, I would think you would be so proficient with all your own toys and all the techiques that there would be no reason to even contemplate this question. One might have that perception but when one thinks they know it all they will find there is another level to accend to within intelligent insight..did you know that human beings only use about 13% capability of the human brain? I find that mind boggling..just think that telepathy...self healing might be posible with a little bit more effort....wow... I would not equate Myself with Budda or any other prophet but I wonder how many times they were asked something along that lines and what if they took heed? I have a little more than a half of years worth of experience, but have had actually had experiences with my toys so I am able to provide an opinion on this thread. Personally, this is a question I have already asked and answered regarding my own training and learning. I am glad you have an can appriciate and respect the fact that you can...after five years see how many are still core values and how many you have reaffirmed and how many have evolved... And Michael has a valid point... When I was completely new, I was scared to death of damaging someone with my own toys. That was actually the number one biggest fear of mine, damaging someone I cared about. Finnally, I got to watch some other people play, had educated myself and been educated very well, and then played with my girl. After that, I felt a lot like a fool because to really damage someone with my array of toys, I would have to be really incompetant. I was a little annoyed because I had let the endless "Internet safety paranoia" scare me a bit into not trusting myslef and thinking someone was going to die the first time I tryed to play. At least this irrational fear helped to motivate me to learn so I cant say its a bad thing Sometimes it works for some and sometimes it is not one shoe fits all..I am glad you found your road comfortable.. My only concerns now when I play is remembering to take off clamps and clothespins (which is minor now since I am not a complete incompetant) and paying attention when I do rope bondage. Actually inflicting a serious injury with my paddle, crop, or light leather flogger isnt even a worry. Complete awareness I have found is a mandatory thing when I play / session. Even with advanced techinques like needle play and knife play, the communities are really on point with telling people who has a great track record of doing these things and who not to go to. I have heard of two injury stories in the communities, one involving a bullwhip and alchocol and the other involving dishonesty regarding medical information. 2 stories compared to the endless parade of this kind of stuff on the Net. True you will find anything you wish to find with a slant of its own on the net..I personally in My years have not chosen to master the bullwhip as it is not as personal an implement for Me. Alcohol has its place but should be used in moderation for the submissive. Of course...if you do something like needle play with a guy off Collarme.com claiming to have 20 years of experience and appears to be off his meds from his history of posts, then you deserve to get injured. I would agree...good thing you avoid playing with him...keep up the good work and continue to voice your perception. There is an art to everything and I am sure you will discover that.[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m10.gif[/image] Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (2/14/2007 12:05:47 PM)
your pic reminds Me of a young Pete Townsend Just noticed I am twice your age It is good to question authority...Pete would be the first to tell you that.[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m10.gif[/image] Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

MadRabbit -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (2/18/2007 5:44:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69 your pic reminds Me of a young Pete Townsend Just noticed I am twice your age It is good to question authority...Pete would be the first to tell you that.[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m10.gif[/image] Ross ©º°¨¨°º© I'm happy that you are twice my age and I hope you will share some of that hard earned knowledge from all those years on the boards with me one day. Because so far...I am still waiting. All I have seen is questions being answered with more questions, cryptic statements, and fortune cookie type responses. You have a wonderful way of muddied up a thread with responses that dont make the least bit of sense or are even relevant to the jist of the entire thread. Its not so much that you are asking these questions, but rather the fact that you arent providing any actual insight from your "evolved core values" These are the kind of people I question, not authority...since you have really have none. Just a claim to 20 years of experience and a reply with "You should listen to your elders" type reasoning without really showing anything to back it up. In all your responces to my posts, you mostly just took what I said and twisted it around without, as usual, providing anything that is a testament to your years of hard earned BDSM experience. On Earth, we call that "bullshitting people". So we are still right back where we were before you ever replied to my posts with you having nothing more than a silly claim without providing any insight or first hand knowledge that would actually make me beleive that. People, like SimplyMichael and KnightOfMists, have actually provided this kind of enlightment and why I hold them in such higher regard then someone who is doing nothing more than say "I'm more experienced. I'm older. Your the idiot for not beleiving me". You've missed the entire point of my post and have just replied with very subtle jabs at me since perhaps I struck a nerve. Saying your the King of Spain on the Internet doesnt mean shit to anyone unless you can back it up with something the King of Spain would know. When you prove me wrong, I will be the first person to apologize (I have done it before), but until that time comes, jerking yourself off on the Net isnt going to mean anything to me (or anyone else who has half a brain for that matter).

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (2/22/2007 1:14:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit quote: ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69 your pic reminds Me of a young Pete Townsend Just noticed I am twice your age It is good to question authority...Pete would be the first to tell you that.[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m10.gif[/image] Ross ©º°¨¨°º© I'm happy that you are twice my age and I hope you will share some of that hard earned knowledge from all those years on the boards with me one day. Because so far...I am still waiting. All I have seen is questions being answered with more questions, cryptic statements, and fortune cookie type responses. You have a wonderful way of muddied up a thread with responses that dont make the least bit of sense or are even relevant to the jist of the entire thread. Its not so much that you are asking these questions, but rather the fact that you arent providing any actual insight from your "evolved core values" These are the kind of people I question, not authority...since you have really have none. Just a claim to 20 years of experience and a reply with "You should listen to your elders" type reasoning without really showing anything to back it up. In all your responces to my posts, you mostly just took what I said and twisted it around without, as usual, providing anything that is a testament to your years of hard earned BDSM experience. On Earth, we call that "bullshitting people". So we are still right back where we were before you ever replied to my posts with you having nothing more than a silly claim without providing any insight or first hand knowledge that would actually make me beleive that. People, like SimplyMichael and KnightOfMists, have actually provided this kind of enlightment and why I hold them in such higher regard then someone who is doing nothing more than say "I'm more experienced. I'm older. Your the idiot for not beleiving me". You've missed the entire point of my post and have just replied with very subtle jabs at me since perhaps I struck a nerve. Saying your the King of Spain on the Internet doesnt mean shit to anyone unless you can back it up with something the King of Spain would know. When you prove me wrong, I will be the first person to apologize (I have done it before), but until that time comes, jerking yourself off on the Net isnt going to mean anything to me (or anyone else who has half a brain for that matter). I guess My intent has been lost on a few...rather than potificate about this and that as the true way I would rather evoke thought process regarding different approaches to ideas or practices and let the reader / responder choose what is right for them. I never have nor do I claim I have the answers or had the answers...that is not My point...in fact everything I know could be wrong. I do however try to share somethings that I have evolved from...My understandings were either reafirmed or abandoned or evoloved from things I experienced and percieved in the course of My playing / sessioning / training / handling / mentoring in My life. I feel that BDSM is like art...one should allow the expression from personal and internal being. That expression is what makes something I do a little different from the person next to Me. I am glad you posted as is is an examination of both external and internal once one might get past the obvious. For some the obvious is enough...for others the need to strach thru the surface bears more of a need. Please bear with Me here as I try to illustrate...it is sort of like a mud puddle...one comes up on the mud puddle and says what a great mud puddle! Taking a stick they stir up the once clear water now containing silt, debris, leaves that have settled and who knows even a turtle or frog if it is big enough of a puddle. As they watch the circular motion of the stir they think...wow...I did not know that was there...look,,a twig...and a acorn shell...and there is a.....you get the picture. So some things settle rather quickly and the water is a little clearer but there is smaller tuff like silt and even bacteria that is still floating about in rapidly... Over time it will stll float but slower...then finally settle... That is how sometimes I look at situations... Not saying it is right but it is another means of processing thoughts and ideas.... So may one be right back at the same place before the question was asked? Most definiately. Sorry to have offended you and you need not appologize to Me for your comments as I do regard your opinion valuable...I just don't need to agree with it or perhaps it is one I had at a time but do not have now. Thanks Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

justfortheforums -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (2/22/2007 8:24:31 AM)
if i felt fear of a new toy or type of play...i would ask the Dominant if he had experienced it and how he felt and if i still feared it...i would ask him if he would allow me to watch it on someone else before i either accepted it or put it as a hard limit. the Dominants that i have known have not feared or objected to being subjected to that which they want to use.

Shylahgirl -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (2/22/2007 9:01:39 AM)
That really depends on what you're talking about. I think a top should have a basic idea of what they are putting the bottem through. Like if the top wants to flog the bottem, they should know what a flogger feels like. This concept gets tough, though, if it is a male top wanting to do something to the femail genitels like fisting or cunt torrture... it's kind of hard for a male top to experince that. Like wise for a female top and CBT. Somethings are great to do but the top can't always experince it, even if they want to. Shylah

MadRabbit -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (2/22/2007 3:27:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69 I guess My intent has been lost on a few...rather than potificate about this and that as the true way I would rather evoke thought process regarding different approaches to ideas or practices and let the reader / responder choose what is right for them. I never have nor do I claim I have the answers or had the answers...that is not My point...in fact everything I know could be wrong. I do however try to share somethings that I have evolved from...My understandings were either reafirmed or abandoned or evoloved from things I experienced and percieved in the course of My playing / sessioning / training / handling / mentoring in My life. I feel that BDSM is like art...one should allow the expression from personal and internal being. That expression is what makes something I do a little different from the person next to Me. I am glad you posted as is is an examination of both external and internal once one might get past the obvious. For some the obvious is enough...for others the need to strach thru the surface bears more of a need. Please bear with Me here as I try to illustrate...it is sort of like a mud puddle...one comes up on the mud puddle and says what a great mud puddle! Taking a stick they stir up the once clear water now containing silt, debris, leaves that have settled and who knows even a turtle or frog if it is big enough of a puddle. As they watch the circular motion of the stir they think...wow...I did not know that was there...look,,a twig...and a acorn shell...and there is a.....you get the picture. So some things settle rather quickly and the water is a little clearer but there is smaller tuff like silt and even bacteria that is still floating about in rapidly... Over time it will stll float but slower...then finally settle... That is how sometimes I look at situations... Not saying it is right but it is another means of processing thoughts and ideas.... So may one be right back at the same place before the question was asked? Most definiately. Sorry to have offended you and you need not appologize to Me for your comments as I do regard your opinion valuable...I just don't need to agree with it or perhaps it is one I had at a time but do not have now. Thanks Ross ©º°¨¨°º© Wow. Thank you very much Ross. My opinion has drastically changed and even though I appreciate you saying I dont need to, my apology is still offered for being so aggressive. Its not that I was offended personally or my replies were out of spite. I have a pretty thick skin. There was a point to my opinion that I was trying to drive home. I look forward to all your future questions.

canupleaseme -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (2/22/2007 9:59:25 PM)
I dont think that dominants SHOULD try out things they use on their subs/slaves, its down to personal choice. I do however personally believe that having tried all my implements on myself I feel more confident in using it !! I know what im expecting it to do, I want to have good controll and style when using my toys, and having used them on myself wether i liked what they did ornot has allowed me to, I feel use them better. Quite a lot of people say that to be a good domme/dom you should experience the other side of the coin first. I have to say i dont think its mandatory for being a good dominant, but i did out of curiosity have a session as a sub myself and pushed myself quite hard in it. And whilst i hated every fucking minute of it !!(im definatly domme lol)! I feel like I learnt so much from the experience, its been one of the most valuable so far, I feel a better mistress for having a pop anyway [:)]

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (3/17/2007 1:06:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: canupleaseme I dont think that dominants SHOULD try out things they use on their subs/slaves, its down to personal choice. I do however personally believe that having tried all my implements on myself I feel more confident in using it !! I know what im expecting it to do, I want to have good controll and style when using my toys, and having used them on myself wether i liked what they did ornot has allowed me to, I feel use them better. Knowing how something reacts to the skin of a submissive and how it might feel might give one better insight into the usage and limits of such and allow a broader more extensive interpretation of the experience of the session. The session should be an occassion in which all involved reflect later and go Wow! An experience to relive time and time over again through daydreaming at work with a silly grin much to the annoyance of co-workers. ;) Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Should a dominant be subjected to the same implements that he subjects his submissive to? (3/17/2007 1:08:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit Wow. Thank you very much Ross. My opinion has drastically changed and even though I appreciate you saying I dont need to, my apology is still offered for being so aggressive. Its not that I was offended personally or my replies were out of spite. I have a pretty thick skin. There was a point to my opinion that I was trying to drive home. I look forward to all your future questions. No thank you. I welcome challenges and insight other than My perception of a positive nature. Sometimes I may forget to fully express Myself in a manner that allows others to enjoy another way of looking at things. Thanks Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

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