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sleazy -> RE: Ending homelesness in America (2/7/2007 9:54:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver France has just past a law making it a human right to have a roof over ones head and a place to call home. Whether that will force local councils free up the resources or make commercial owners of empty properties provide those homes is another matter. I wish Britain would do the same but with Blair in power, I can't see it. He did, two and a half years ago in fact! Property owners who leave their homes unoccupied for more than six months could from 6 July have them taken over by their local council to rent out for social housing. The Empty Dwelling Management Order was introduced as part of the 2004 Housing Act. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/moneybox/5112926.stm

KatyLied -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 9:56:47 AM)
Just to add a few thoughts....many homeless shelters are regulated with rules, it's not all fun and games for the residents. The shelter in my area is closed during the day, in order to encourage residents to seek the help and employment they need. There are also programs that help residents move from shelters to other living arrangements, with assistance. There is no easy answer, but it helps to be reminded that many of the homeless population do have mental health and drug/alcohol addiction problems and until these are addressed, anything else is band-aid.

SusanofO -> RE: Ending homelesness in America (2/7/2007 9:59:58 AM)
Well, my dad owns some apartment complexes. In one of them, an Afghanistani man was housing himself, and 6 other Afghanistani student friends of his - in his one-bedroom apartment - they wanted to be around other people from their own country, I guess. They never cleaned the place (In his country, that is always "woman's work", and there weren't any women living there. Consequently, the place had quickly degenerated into a pig-sty). He gave them 2 weeks to clean it up, or he said he was kicking them out. Guess what they did? They hired a maid service. Now the maid service comes once a week, and everybody's happy! (except for maybe the maid, hehe). - Susan

popeye1250 -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:01:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittensmailbox How many have you ppl who are bitching about homeless, gone down to the shelters to help or given money? Just wondering.... I've given money to three different homeless shelters on a regular basis over many years. A lot of this homelessness started back in the 1970's when the states closed the state mental hospitals because the do-gooders thought those people should be "free." Some people are so mentally ill that they would be incapable of holding any type of gainfull employment or being able to house, clothe or feed themselves. If we ended all those "Foreign Aid" programs we could solve most of the homeless problem in this country in a year or two. Our govt. has the responsibility for this country not for foreign countries!

FukinTroll -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:01:40 AM)
OP I had a lengthy discussion with the Clinton administration on the subject. They made it quite clear that it was not a priority even with a good solution.

SusanofO -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:02:30 AM)
Katy, you are right. That is true in my town as well - all of the shelters have no-drink-and-drug policies, among other policies, for the residents. - Susan

pahunkboy -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:07:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FukinTroll OP I had a lengthy discussion with the Clinton administration on the subject. They made it quite clear that it was not a priority even with a good solution. Could you clarify pls. I see you have 20 posts under your belt.

farglebargle -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:10:56 AM)
I think the point is that the homeless rarely contribute to either parties coffers.

subfever -> RE: Ending homelesness in America (2/7/2007 10:11:03 AM)
quote: my guess is thes places are owned by investors from afar. there is a 1031 exchange a tax loophole- that if you trade property- the tax is less. The tax is deferred on a 1031-exchange. The actual tax rate will be determined by whatever the laws are in the future, when the capital gains are distributed.

subfever -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:12:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle I think the point is that the homeless rarely contribute to either parties coffers. Or vote.

farglebargle -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:13:38 AM)
Voting is not important in our political system. If it was useful in any meaningful way, it would be unlawful.

pantera -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:15:38 AM)
Anybody can get their house foreclosed on...but even in that event: where are your parents? your siblings? the friends you've made throughout your life? It is pretty hard to be homeless-

farglebargle -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:18:44 AM)
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/32/drastic-measures

Sternhand4 -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:19:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SusanofO Katy, you are right. That is true in my town as well - all of the shelters have no-drink-and-drug policies, among other policies, for the residents. - Susan Most shelters have a "dry" policy for their customers. They have tried to get a "wet' shelter here but they have met community resistance. Very few neighborhoods encourage drug and alcohol abusers to come live with them. You cant blame them. It comes down to a simple question. How much goverment assistance can you render on a person if they choose or are mentally unable to choose to remain in that condition. Where do you draw the line between free choice and forcing people to do whats right, or at least what your version of whats right. Tough line to draw in the sand. S

farglebargle -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:21:22 AM)
Is it RIGHT or MORAL to let someone freeze to death, because they were drunk when they went to the shelter to get out of the freezing cold?

Mercnbeth -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:21:54 AM)
quote: Many cities have a LOT of unoccupied, abandoned property. Now I'm not adverse to keeping your units off the market should you choose, but when you abandon the building, let it rot and lose it's weather-tightness, roof damage, etc, then it's NOT a "Going Concern" so to speak. Great idea. Step 1 - Eliminate Lawyers. Until you get past that first step the rest is rhetoric suitable for parlor debate. "Abandoned" property still has an owner. Authorize anyone to live there and the first splinter that generates an infection will generate a lawsuit. A cracked step causes a fall - lawsuit. Of course we could put a government agency in charge of the situation. Run by lawyers, administered by career bureaucrats, whose goal is not to end homelessness but to perpetuate their jobs.

farglebargle -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:26:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: Many cities have a LOT of unoccupied, abandoned property. Now I'm not adverse to keeping your units off the market should you choose, but when you abandon the building, let it rot and lose it's weather-tightness, roof damage, etc, then it's NOT a "Going Concern" so to speak. Great idea. Step 1 - Eliminate Lawyers. Until you get past that first step the rest is rhetoric suitable for parlor debate. "Abandoned" property still has an owner. Authorize anyone to live there and the first splinter that generates an infection will generate a lawsuit. A cracked step causes a fall - lawsuit. Of course we could put a government agency in charge of the situation. Run by lawyers, administered by career bureaucrats, whose goal is not to end homelessness but to perpetuate their jobs. If Eminent Domain is good enough to sieze OCCUPIED property to give to a shopping mall developer, I don't see why using it to seize UNOCCUPIED property which is in such disrepair there is no question of it's abandonment. If the owners disagree, they can answer the summons to court. If they don't then tough shit. Like I said, It's not going to happen, but it's an idea.

FukinTroll -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:36:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Could you clarify pls. I see you have 20 posts under your belt. Sure. I sent the Clinton administration prospectus for the homeless issue. It would use military surplus to facilitate a share cropping community for any homeless person that wished to participate. Medication and a medical facility would be available and the government would provide housing, via tents initially. As the program grew and the crops began to realize a profit permanent housing would be erected. As the “residents” participation in the system grew, they would be offered more training, and more education. The ultimate goal of the program would be to stabilize a resident, train them to have a structured life, educate them, and return them, where possible, to society as a trained/educated productive member of society. The statistics of mental illness in homeless people would allow this program to help stabilize the resident, by choice, and give them many options for productivity with there particular illnesses and phobia’s in mind. Moving beyond the share cropping/ranching facility is optional and available to anyone wanting to enter into a higher education program. They were equally dismissive over a new prison I designed. However I am going to be sending a new prospectus to a few major corporations and hopefully they will take it seriously.

popeye1250 -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:45:49 AM)
Big Corporations have their dicks too far up government's asses at this point to affect any changes.

LaTigresse -> RE: Ending homelessness in America (2/7/2007 10:46:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FukinTroll quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Could you clarify pls. I see you have 20 posts under your belt. Sure. I sent the Clinton administration prospectus for the homeless issue. It would use military surplus to facilitate a share cropping community for any homeless person that wished to participate. Medication and a medical facility would be available and the government would provide housing, via tents initially. As the program grew and the crops began to realize a profit permanent housing would be erected. As the “residents” participation in the system grew, they would be offered more training, and more education. The ultimate goal of the program would be to stabilize a resident, train them to have a structured life, educate them, and return them, where possible, to society as a trained/educated productive member of society. The statistics of mental illness in homeless people would allow this program to help stabilize the resident, by choice, and give them many options for productivity with there particular illnesses and phobia’s in mind. Moving beyond the share cropping/ranching facility is optional and available to anyone wanting to enter into a higher education program. They were equally dismissive over a new prison I designed. However I am going to be sending a new prospectus to a few major corporations and hopefully they will take it seriously. Sooooo, THIS is the new profile you spoke of!! clever[:D]

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