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Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 7:33:00 AM

chainedfarida

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greetings all,

i have been asked the question of whether my Master had been my Master or simply an Owner.

i accepted his collar under the impression he was a Master, to me a Master and Owner were the same thing, One that would care for, guide and train, and nurture the slave to be the best she can be for his pleasures. what had happened is that my only purpose was to be the middleman, to be the one that contacted other sub/slaves to get them to talk to him. when i begged for that to stop my purpose ended and he no longer paid any attention to me. in our discussion yesterday when i begged release, i finally asked the questions that needed to be answered, and yes the answer was not what i wanted. and i would have saved myself alot of grief if i had asked before i accepted his collar, but perhpas he would not have been honest to answer for he knew too what i was and what i needed in a Master. The answer was, i did not fit into his life at all, he had no intentions of me being part of his real life, he was not interesed in me relocating to be with him or in serving him other than sending messages to other subs/slaves. a hard lesson to learn for sure. but a lesson worth learning.

but now i am curious to learn then how are a Master's responsibility to a slave differ than an Owners responsibilities?

sincerely far

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 7:40:12 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: chainedfarida

greetings all,

i have been asked the question of whether my Master had been my Master or simply an Owner.

i accepted his collar under the impression he was a Master, to me a Master and Owner were the same thing, One that would care for, guide and train, and nurture the slave to be the best she can be for his pleasures. what had happened is that my only purpose was to be the middleman, to be the one that contacted other sub/slaves to get them to talk to him. when i begged for that to stop my purpose ended and he no longer paid any attention to me. in our discussion yesterday when i begged release, i finally asked the questions that needed to be answered, and yes the answer was not what i wanted. and i would have saved myself alot of grief if i had asked before i accepted his collar, but perhpas he would not have been honest to answer for he knew too what i was and what i needed in a Master. The answer was, i did not fit into his life at all, he had no intentions of me being part of his real life, he was not interesed in me relocating to be with him or in serving him other than sending messages to other subs/slaves. a hard lesson to learn for sure. but a lesson worth learning.

but now i am curious to learn then how are a Master's responsibility to a slave differ than an Owners responsibilities?

sincerely far

I think it all depends on the person. I use the term owner and master interchangably (for the most part I've just gotten used to the word owner but I've also introduced him as my master in social situations).

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 8:08:23 AM

chainedfarida

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thanks Wildfleurs,

i too thought they were interchangeable, and had used them interchangeably, but what is a Master's/Owners responsibility then to a slave.

far

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 8:39:30 AM

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I'm owned, but not yet collared. He is my Master and my Owner.

As to any dominants responsibilities to the one who submits to them, it varies greatly which you'll see as you read the different topics that come up here on the message board. Every relationship dynamic is as individual as the people involved in it.

I see you are into the Gorean lifestyle. I'm not familiar with how things work in that "world", so if you're looking for opinions based on that dynamic, you may want to pose your question in the Gorean forum.

Good luck to you!

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 8:47:41 AM

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The differences between Master and Owner will vary from person to person as much as the differences between slave and sub. What's important are the differences you and your Master (or Owner) feel there are.

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 8:48:00 AM

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A Master's/owners responsibilities to a slave/sub varies with each individual and how they want that dynamic to be. As Wildfleurs had said, to be wanted, cared and cherished are about the basics, though having clear and total communication upfront will set out what is expected from both and then go from there.
In my situation, I have a Master and has taken me as His slave and soon to be 24/7. At the same time, He does state I am His property. So technically, my Master is also my owner.

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 10:46:04 AM

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I think this is another case of simantics..kinda like sub Vs slave..
I think that giveing this man any title other then jerk however is beeing far to kind.. I dont think he has any integrity from what you have said and is most likely simply a user and nothing more so if you must find a title for this man Im thinking user is the only one that would fit.

My Master is My owener so I guess to me in orner to own me you must be my Master if that makes any sence.

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 10:48:34 AM

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Greetings far,

I, personally, see Master being around as they have both subs and slaves. Subs can have a Master, but not be owned. Yes, I know, they have that steel around their neck, and some don't even wear it, and they use the term of Master to the one they have the steel from. Owner has another level of the D/s dynamics. Having a Master as a sub, you would still have the safety net, the ability to have a mind and being able to walk away from a relationship. As being owned, well that is another kettle of fish. Being owned, you become a slave. Now I know we all live in a society of thoughtful thinking adults and we all have minds and voices, but being owned you reliquish these rights.

Now some of you might be rolling the eyes and saying, we live in this day and not the 16th century. Ok, now close your eyes and think really well about it. As a slave you CAN relinquish all your rights, and your maturity and thought and experience, will lead you to PICK the right owner. No one forces you to pick someone and then re-think after 6 months and want out. Your maturity shines out with the length and duration of the relationship. I have spoken with some slaves that have been with their owners for 10 years or so, because they picked well before they got the steel around the neck.

You can still be owned and have a job, thought, fun and more, if you bounce off the owner. If you both fit your own bill in life, so be it, you will be with each other for years to come. There is no real text book in life for the titles, this is just my opinion, and I can only give my opinion through my eyes and through my life. Just like the difference between Doms/ Masters and subs / slaves and Masters / Owners and collars / uncollared. You read what you want into your life. From what you have written about the length and type of relationship, YOU picked poorly, simple.

Be well.

Frank Ar.

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 10:53:26 AM

hot1

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WOW....

I don't think anyone has read my mind quite so well as that.

Most do not think there is a difference..terms are used interchangable...but i think that there is....bottom/sub/slave/property and also tops/doms/masters/owners.

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 10:55:29 AM

DiurnalVampire

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In my instance, Master (or Mistress) and Owner are interchanganble as well. In either title case, the responsability for the owned one is to be honest with your intentions for them, ad to take care of their physical and mental well being. It does not seem as if this Dominant was particularly interested in either. I do hope you have gotten your release, and I wish you luck in finding a better match your next time around.

DV

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 11:33:24 AM

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"Master as in masterfulness implies a strong forceful personality and the ability to deal authoritatvely with people and affairs. Also showing the power and skill of a master. "Owner" means having legal titile to an object and the right to use it as one wishes. I would rather master you then to own you. I would not own you till I mastered you anyway. David

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 11:40:06 AM

cjenny

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fusion I liked your post.

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 12:00:49 PM

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Reposted:
The main reason I use Owned/property is because it's gender non-specific.

When I type "dom" I mean both male and female dominants, I have no idea why people feel the need to create and use and mis-pronounce the word "domme" but I understand that the fact that I use it for both can confuse some poor people so I just stick with non-genderized terms.

And because I do essentially consider myself owned property, existing to be used and useful to the Owner. This is a slightly different perspective than being "a slave" or "a submissive" and I agree that both can be owned.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_786279/mpage_1/key_property/tm.htm#786309
Property

http://www.collarchat.com/m_134860/mpage_1/key_property/tm.htm#136884
Owner/property

http://www.collarchat.com/m_233800/mpage_1/key_property/tm.htm#233908
what is ownership?

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 12:02:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: hot1
Most do not think there is a difference..terms are used interchangable...but i think that there is....bottom/sub/slave/property and also tops/doms/masters/owners.

beth

Actually, most people think there is a difference. They just don't try and suggest that what they believe is the difference should be what everyone else agrees is the difference.

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 12:15:38 PM

cjenny

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I have always felt that it is:
Master/sub
Owner/slave

To me, sub & slave are not interchangeble, therefore Master/Owner are not either.
However that is just my view & my lil world.

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 12:59:02 PM

TrueCalling

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Master/Owner, to me are one and the same, as pertaining to my personal life. Slave is indeed property traditionaly (although today you can ask ten people what slave is and get ten different answers, thanks to newfangled D/s BS) Over the many years i've lived life as intended, little emphasis has been put on 'titles', and the meanings of ~ concentrating instead, on life and the living of, traditionally so-according to principles and beliefs....

"If a man cannot dominate with his mind as is his NATURE, all the gadgetry in the world won't save him" ~me~

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 2:46:45 PM

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Best I can gather the original intent as that an Owner was not nessisarily trying to claim the title Master. They owned the slave but they had not yet "earned" the community wide title of Master. SO they use Owner, as a title of relative possition to their property, it does not convey the same title problems that Master does. That being that for many the title Master is conveyed on them by their community.

One more perspective to add to the list.

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 3:11:45 PM

chainedfarida

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

I do hope you have gotten your release, and I wish you luck in finding a better match your next time around.

DV

yes i am thankful to say that i did get my release and have had many respond with interest , so am going to take the advice on here from many and pick better next time.

far

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 3:17:00 PM

BabyNyla

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BRNaughtyAngel

I'm owned, but not yet collared. He is my Master and my Owner.

I am in the same situation as well. I am owned by my husband, but I am not collared. I have been in training since I met him to be his eventual collared slave. In the beginning I never referred to him as my Master, nor did I think of him that way. I now call him Master by choice and I will more than likely be collared in the next few months.

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RE: Owner vs Master - 2/10/2007 3:59:49 PM

chainedfarida

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You are right Master Frank,

and a lesson well learned

far

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