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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 3:14:51 PM

farglebargle

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I guess you really told me...

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I don't see the word "NEVER" In my post. Where do you see it?

Since *I* did not say "NEVER", but you did, who is the fool?

The lesson being "Don't put words in someone's mouth, especially when you quote their actual words in the same post. It's so easy to call out."

Look, there's a chance that an asteroid will fall from the sky and end civilization. It's in the same neighborhood as Iraq, Iran, or North Korea being a threat to Me and Mine. You don't waste money on bullshit like that when kids are going to bed hungry here in the big cities of the United States, or people can't buy their blood pressure meds..

You know. REAL problems that we have right now. Rather than somewhat paranoid indulgences, which DO Make the Lockheed stock perform better, truth be told.

That's a motivation for someone. But not me. Spend money training people how to react in emergencies, and NOLA won't get trashed next time.

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 3:21:20 PM

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While not wanting to get involved in the "who will attack whom" debate, which is all opinion at any rate ... questioning the ability of the west to make quality, high tech weapons, does tend to go against the obvious. Making very good things to kill things, seems to be one of the few things the United States does very well.

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 3:42:52 PM

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caitlyn as well as to botch things and make a mess in the middle east....

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 3:45:42 PM

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Yes, the Middle East was a fucking paradise before we got there.

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 3:48:33 PM

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caitlyn, you must have missed Saddam's little dances on local Iraqi tv and his opulent palaces.....or who could forget the "information minister" nicknamed "Baghdad Bob" who was so hilarious?

such paradise lost

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 3:49:31 PM

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Putin just said what everyone else is thinking.... truth hurts

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 3:56:21 PM

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Yes, the Middle East was a fucking paradise before we got there.

You didn't have to interfer....Oh! I forgot about the oil. The US has been more than happy to fuck the place up like everyone else, except when it got kicked out of Iran it sulked and had a 25 year tantrum which is still going on instead of just acepting it should try to get a functional relationship with the new regimes in the region. OK Blair is a thick as pig shit too for being a lapdog.

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 4:56:55 PM

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Speaking of "Information Minister"

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Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.

Dick Cheney August 26, 2002

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Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

George W. Bush September 12, 2002

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If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.

Ari "Rat, but with Immunity from Prosecution" Fleischer December 2, 2002

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We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003

One of MY favorites:

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Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

George W. Bush January 28, 2003

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We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.

Colin Powell February 5, 2003

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We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

George Bush February 8, 2003

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So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? I think our judgment has to be clearly not.

Colin Powell March 8, 2003

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Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

George Bush March 18, 2003

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We are asked to accept Saddam decided to destroy those weapons. I say that such a claim is palpably absurd.

Tony Blair, Prime Minister 18 March, 2003

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Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever
duration it takes.

Ari Fleisher March 21, 2003

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There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. As this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.

Gen. Tommy Franks March 22, 2003

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I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.

Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board , March 23, 2003

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One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.

Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark March 22, 2003

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We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.

Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003

I'll stop there. The shit is just too HIGH.

Talk about a pattern of misrepresentation, half-truths, and outright lies.

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 2/12/2007 4:59:53 PM >

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 5:47:55 PM

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Technological feasibility of anti missle defense system - highly likely.
In the past the US made some pretty stupid mistakes but on the whole most people in the world thought they were trying to help. Meat & NG just think about that before jumping on the US "source of all evil bandwagon" - Korea & Vietnam started because non comunists felt threatened. Few countries or people really thought the US would invade them. If you've ever seen the film "The Mouse that Roared" it actually does portray the way many felt about the US.
Unfortunately because of the actions of the US the perspective of the world has changed and many countries and people genuinly believe that the US is, does and will be a threat to their countries, homes and families. The really worrying thing will be when some of those people start to believe that it is "when" not "if " they are going to be attcked and start to do some maths based upon how many Americans you have to kill to be left alone. There was an interesting figure in a US paper concerning the ability of the US and Vietnam to take casualties. Proportionatly the Vitenames took the equivalent of 18 million casualties, if there population had been the same as the US, and they were willing and able to continue fighting................think about it its insane, but when threatened it can become rational argument. Putin may not be right but it is a real fear, and not just in the axis of evil.

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 5:51:09 PM

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Aegis worked great too, up until it done shot down a CIVILIAN FUCKING AIRLINER.

Oh, Lock-Mart built that too.

Thank G-D the Russians never made us test any of this shit.

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 8:17:25 PM

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Aegis worked great too, up until it done shot down a CIVILIAN FUCKING AIRLINER.

Oh, Lock-Mart built that too.

Thank G-D the Russians never made us test any of this shit.

Oh man....how embarrasing I am grossly misinformed....can you tell me when that happened? I am shocked...

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 8:20:23 PM

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Just think. One day an alien species will show up hell bent on the destruction of mankind and race, religion and nationality will no longer be an issue.

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 8:28:35 PM

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Bush may well go down in history as the worst President that this nation has ever seen.

An article in Rolling Stone by Sean Wilentz (history professor at some major Ivy League college) made this point quite well, Guage.

Basically said that Monkeyboy has raised the bar of how to be a completely lousy president so high that none of the other contestants comes close.

Of course, he said it with a lot less venom and animosity than I did.

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 9:50:15 PM

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Aegis worked great too, up until it done shot down a CIVILIAN FUCKING AIRLINER.

Oh, Lock-Mart built that too.

Thank G-D the Russians never made us test any of this shit.

Oh man....how embarrasing I am grossly misinformed....can you tell me when that happened? I am shocked...

Iran Air Flight 655 (IR655) was a commercial flight operated by Iran Air that flew from Bandar Abbas, Iran to Dubai. On Sunday July 3, 1988, the aircraft flying IR655 was shot down by the U.S. Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes between Bandar Abbas and Dubai, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children. The Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters at the time of the shoot-down.

According to the U.S. government, the Iranian aircraft was mistakenly identified as an attacking military fighter. The Iranian government, however, maintains that the Vincennes knowingly shot down a civilian aircraft.

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/12/2007 11:34:23 PM

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NG just think about that before jumping on the US "source of all evil bandwagon"

Do me a favour, don't speak for me - particularly when your assumptions are incorrect.

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/13/2007 2:36:46 AM

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Technological feasibility of anti missle defense system - highly likely.
In the past the US made some pretty stupid mistakes but on the whole most people in the world thought they were trying to help. Meat & NG just think about that before jumping on the US "source of all evil bandwagon" - Korea & Vietnam started because non comunists felt threatened. Few countries or people really thought the US would invade them. If you've ever seen the film "The Mouse that Roared" it actually does portray the way many felt about the US.

The Korean war and Vietnamese wars were completely different. In Korea, both north and south backed by their ideological backers claimed each other and the North started the conflict. It was in effect a civil war but post war paranoia fed the cold war on both sides. Vietnam was a colonial war which was the reason Harold Wilson kept Britain out. The one common factor that these two wars had was that they were fed by paranoia on both sides, the same sort of paranoia that is eminated by the neocons in Washington now. Putin has is entirely rational to be worried by American hardware on Russia's borders. The EU should recognize that fact.

Just imagine if Russia placed defensive missiles in Mexico or Honduras, the US wouldn't see them as defensive. The US appeared to be willing to start a nuclear war when the USSR tried to place nuclear weapons in Cuba, yet that was a responce to a provocative act by the US of placing nukes in Turkey, the west conveniently forgets that.

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/13/2007 4:53:31 AM

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NG just think about that before jumping on the US "source of all evil bandwagon"

Do me a favour, don't speak for me - particularly when your assumptions are incorrect.

- Didn't speeak for you I directed something to you so I would get a measured response from you.

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/13/2007 4:57:45 AM

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Possibly true but at the time they started there wasn't the passionate dislike and distrust for the US that there is now, and even at the end of those two wars there wan't the feeling amongst a wide range of people that the US could / would go off and march into another conflict. That is very different today, public opinion in many places is that the US one of the great dangers.

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/13/2007 6:06:21 AM

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Years? Iran can already hit Britain. N Korea has a missile capable of reaching Hawaii, and are close to and longer range missile....Your outlook seems to be rooted in wishful thinking.

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since Bush came into office the missile defence program has made several new breakthroughs, including sucessfully shooting down a test missile. each new development brings us closer to having a working defense system, that will neutralize the threat posed by N Korea and Iranian missiles.

It will be years before N Korea and Iran have ballistic missiles capable of hitting the US, if at all. This system obviously has the Russians in mind.

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RE: Putin accuses the US of starting a new arms race. - 2/13/2007 6:07:46 AM

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No threat???? You would call a nuclear Iran not a threat? What about when he starts launching the missiles as he has already promised he will do? Will he be a threat then?

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since Bush came into office the missile defence program has made several new breakthroughs, including sucessfully shooting down a test missile. each new development brings us closer to having a working defense system, that will neutralize the threat posed by N Korea and Iranian missiles.

There is no threat by North Korea or Iran.

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