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BabyNyla -> RE: Capitalization for Doms: annoying? (2/12/2007 9:45:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

*giggles* That is adorable and I want to tell that story to some of my friends.



 
Feel free ... good to know I'm not the only one who giggles at it ...




lilsubl -> RE: Capitalization for Doms: annoying? (2/12/2007 10:02:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

lilsub, that was too subtle sarcasm...I just made that up


well, yeah...so was i, but it was fun looking it up all the same  [;)]




lilsubl -> RE: Capitalization for Doms: annoying? (2/12/2007 10:28:06 PM)

that is a very funny story!!  when i started online with my former Master, he had me do the capitalization thing & the slashy thing...after a while of doing that, i sort of devolved into being very silly about it...capitalizing anything that could possibly refer to him, S/slashing N/nearly everything...it made him laugh & he realized that i knew my place, so to speak, & that he didn't have to force protocol on me in order to make me understand my relative position...i showed him that by obeying him & accepting his decisions for me without complaint, even when i didn't like them...we were online a lot because i drove all over the country & i continued to capitalize references to him because it pleased him...we were also realtime when i was at home & i never was able to call him anything but Master, it just felt too weird...

i'm sorry that some become annoyed with others' posts, but i see that it happens on almost every issue...my personal pet peeve is misspelling & misuse of words, particulary words such as your, you're, there, their, etc...but i've also found that the people who are guilty of those things have much to say to me if i choose to listen....




MadRabbit -> RE: Capitalization for Doms: annoying? (2/13/2007 12:21:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cjenny

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: cjenny

Ex There are times that it is actually handy to have an immediate reference to anothers probable status without asking.



I must be a weird one then because I have never really needed one, but then again I dont view the dominant/submissive thing as "status" but rather simply identity. I treat all people the same up until the point they make a choice to enter into service to me.

Anything else is simply a polite sign of respect that is always appreciated, but never a "birth right" simply because of my self imposed label.

(In case you havent noticed the jist of this is one of my highly opinionated pet peeves)


Poor word choice then, swap the word status for your choice. For some people their orientation is a huge part of their identity.. I cannot please every angle from which my words are read but I think the concept tends to come through fairly well. Being submissive is not a birthright, it is who I am.
Semantics in my view.


I wasnt trying to be confrontational or disagree with you on semantics, just merely expanding on a point.

My apologies for coming off that way




MadRabbit -> RE: Capitalization for Doms: annoying? (2/13/2007 12:23:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

I think that anyone who takes themselves seriously always uses the Andalusian system of ranking and capitalization usage.


I'm such a wannabe




touchthesky -> RE: __________________: annoying? (2/13/2007 12:38:49 AM)

I have been amused sometimes IM's allegedly vanilla men from Myspace and noticing that caps thing going on.So then i am like oh your a Dom , eh? Seems like its hard to keep track of, I can barely remember to spell on IMs. Its seems like a case of " i think thou doth prtesteth too much"




beltainefaerie -> RE: __________________: annoying? (2/13/2007 1:44:19 AM)

My Master doesn't really care how I type online, meaning that he has no protocol for me.  He thinks the random capitalization of His, Him, etc. is a little silly, but he hasn't asked me to stop.  In fact, he has told me to do what I like in that regard. If it were important to him, I would be happy to change, and since this post is about such things and I am currently mindful of his preference, I am consciously not hitting shift. 

I think that capitalizing anything to do with him is a fun way to remember my place, but I am not extreme with it.  I still capitalize the beginning of sentences regardless of what word is there, with the usual exception of my name.  I tried typing "i" instead of "I" for awhile, but it just made me twitch grammatically.  Master, when referring to mine, is always capitalized, as I am generally using it as if it were his name.  In my journal, I always capitalize His, Him, He when referring to my Master as I find it pleasing and He has given me permission to do what I will in that regard.  On my posts, I think it varies.  I sometimes do and sometimes do not throw in random capitals.  In emails and whatnot, I tend to capitalize people's names and whatnot according to what they do.  It basically seems like a respect issue.  If they are using lowercase for their name as part of their self-identification as slave, then I also use lowercase for them as a sign of respect for their chosen position.  Does that make sense?

In terms of my own name/pronouns, I capitalize or not as a kind of role marker in my journal and otherwise.  I tend to capitalize "Bel" when signing my name if I am dominant towards the person and write "bel" when submissive and as a sort of default setting.  It feels right to me.  Though Master and I did once have a conversation about it and he pointed out that even objects get capital letters when they are specific, special objects,  (i.e. That tower is tall. vs. The Eiffel Tower is tall.).  I thought that was amusing. Other people have made a similar point about pets or animals.  So, I guess whether person, place or thing, I should capitalize my name, but somehow it just doesn't feel right when I am in a submissive state.

The slashy thing is always annoying, but I generally don't skip the posts, because their relationship protocol does not inherently mean that they have nothing useful to say.  I try to look for the meaning rather than the expression.  If there are too many misspellings or too little punctuation, I will skip, though.




porthuronsub -> RE: __________________: annoying? (2/13/2007 8:29:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: touchthesky

I have been amused sometimes IM's allegedly vanilla men from Myspace and noticing that caps thing going on.So then i am like oh your a Dom , eh? Seems like its hard to keep track of, I can barely remember to spell on IMs. Its seems like a case of " i think thou doth prtesteth too much"


Actually the part of IMs that I don't like are where you are supposed to have a dictionary for anagrams...."It seems like a case of "ITTDPTM""




MissyRane -> RE: __________________: annoying? (2/13/2007 8:37:30 AM)

in my opinion? screw the capitalization or however you spell it I prefer just normal low key conversations (did that sound wrong?)




lilsubl -> RE: __________________: annoying? (2/13/2007 10:44:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: porthuronsub

"ITTDPTM""


ehhh?????




porthuronsub -> RE: __________________: annoying? (2/13/2007 11:13:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lilsubl

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ORIGINAL: porthuronsub

"ITTDPTM""

ehhh?????



exactly...you see them on IM's quite often.  Not so much here, although IMHO gets used alot.   
ITTDPTM =  i think thou doth prtesteth too much"




BitaTruble -> RE: Capitalization for Doms: annoying? (2/13/2007 11:22:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: wyldsubmissive

I personally find that capitalizing letters for a dominant, regardless of gender comes and goes for me. I understand why its done (or at least I -think- I do.) I think that dominants require the capitalization (some of them) because they want their submissive to remember every time they type that capital letter about why they're doing it.

To me its just irksome at times.

Thoughts?



It's not annoying to me, but some things are very difficult to read or difficult to understand. In general, I skip posts which require my eyes to water because of font color, slashes etc or which cause my brain to overheat in trying to understand exactly what is being said.

Celeste




stupideity -> RE: Capitalization for Doms: annoying? (2/13/2007 12:46:03 PM)

The proper term for this kind of behavior is derived from Freudian Psychology and is called Anal-retentiveness (although, in this case, I'm only using its more common definition.) I think it's ridiculous. I'm not so hardcore as to sacrifice proper sentence case in order to satisfy a superiority complex. 




Viridana -> RE: Capitalization for Doms: annoying? (2/13/2007 12:58:53 PM)

I've never really gotten how capitalization is supposed to show respect. For me, writing a text where the ambition is on content, spelling,  grammar  and presentation shows more respect towards the reader as well as respect for the language.  If people find it gratifying in some ways to use capitalization then it's fine by me, but it does bother me when people impose it on me. I don't know how many times I've gotten remarks like: "well if you're a sub then why do you use capital I when referring to yourself" and so on.... 




mp072004 -> RE: Capitalization for Doms: annoying? (2/13/2007 3:05:31 PM)

Yes, the capitalization games that some BDSMers play are irritating. A friend of mine likes to say, "The English language did not consent to be butchered, so please use standard grammar, spelling, and capitalization in all letters to me." "BDSM case" is only marginally less irritating than when academics use no caps in their names to demonstrate...well, something, and it involves the patriarchy and elitism, but I'm not sure what it is. Possibly because of the people with whom I correspond, the Dominants and Tops and Sadists bug me less than messages like this: "Oh Goddess, You must capitalize Your Name and Pronouns but not mine because i am humble and i am submissive and obedient and i do what You want. Therefore, to demonstrate how subservient i am, You must apply the bizarre mangled English i have demanded of you."

Monica




nephandi -> RE: Capitalization for Doms: annoying? (2/13/2007 3:09:46 PM)

The little or big front letter of a name came from chat rooms where it is alot more easy to see who is Dominant and who is submissive from their nick by seeing if their nick have a big first letter or not.




Lucius -> RE: Capitalization for Doms: annoying? (2/13/2007 3:10:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

*puts on her flame resistent suit*

The expressing of ideas is done best when people submit, if you will allow the pun, to the rules of grammar that have been established by hundreds of years of use. But then again, I just won't talk to people who use internet speak. Even on the internet. [:D]


Well, the custom of lowercasing submissives and Uppercasing Dominants goes back to the 19th Century at least. Sacher-Masoch references it.

Lucius Alexander

Palindromedary House




AquaticSub -> RE: Capitalization for Doms: annoying? (2/13/2007 3:13:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucius

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

*puts on her flame resistent suit*

The expressing of ideas is done best when people submit, if you will allow the pun, to the rules of grammar that have been established by hundreds of years of use. But then again, I just won't talk to people who use internet speak. Even on the internet. [:D]


Well, the custom of lowercasing submissives and Uppercasing Dominants goes back to the 19th Century at least. Sacher-Masoch references it.

Lucius Alexander

Palindromedary House


You know somehow I don't think the practice was standard use. By that I mean it's taught in schools and listed in grammar books. Just because there is evidence of it doesn't mean it was correct then and it certainly doesn't make it correct now.




cjenny -> RE: Capitalization for Doms: annoying? (2/13/2007 3:14:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

The little or big front letter of a name came from chat rooms where it is alot more easy to see who is Dominant and who is submissive from their nick by seeing if their nick have a big first letter or not.


Similiar to what I posted nephandi. Not that it originates from there but on making it easier to see who is who at a glance. Far too many in chatrooms get hostile if someone doesn't do the dance of obsequiousness! So yes it makes it easier, especially with gender neutral screen names.

I'm now making an attempt to no longer use Dom but dom etc. lol.




Lucius -> RE: __________________: annoying? (2/13/2007 4:24:51 PM)

Well, I think there's one thing we have near (but surely not total) agreemeent on - that silly "slash" thing with the "W/we  send Y/you O/our regards and hope W/we A/all can..." is annoying and hard to read. 

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Its a nice gesture when people capitalize words in reference to me just like its nice when people refer to me as Sir, but to be honest, I dont pay much attention to it. I once had a 40 year old woman in a munch group constantly refer to me as Sir and capitalize letters in reference to me when she talked to me online. Then when I finnally met her, not only did she not refer to me as Sir once, but treated me like one of her children and her personality didnt resemble her online persona at all! Then when we talked online again, the Sir's were back and the humble persona.

More often than not, at least in my experiences and opinion, its just a bunch of "Lets pretend to be something we really arent" crap.



You know, Sir - I think I owe You an apology. I WAS all set to jump on this with "Oh, one person You met was different in person than online and so not only she but anyone else who acts that way online must be playing 'Let's pretend to be something we really aren't'" - and then I realized that would be unfair to You. You DID say both "in my experiences and opinion" and more tellingly "More often than not."

It's MY personal opinion (and only an opinion - one I could be talked out of even!) that You should have called her on it. Either in person, or later when she slipped into the same persona again online. Ask if she realizes she's doing it, why she's doing it, etc.


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ORIGINAL: MaryT
I have a thing about thinking that language is important in communication.


Yes. Exactly. It’s intended to communicate something.

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ORIGINAL: sub4hire
So, they try to make others feel less of themselves.


Maybe I’m confused, but in what way does one person’s use of capitalization, punctuation, or any other aspect of written communication, “make others feel less of themselves?”
I cAn PLaY wITh CAPItallIzatIon aND MIssssspeLLiIng  AlL DaY and I Don’T SeE hOw  It pUts yOU DOwN.

In fact, that sentence didn't make Me feel especially good about Myself either. Sheesh. W/worse t\Than A/al/l T/The/e slashes.

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst
how do you capitalize speech?


You know, that’s funny. I’ve always assumed that the whole point of the capitalization customs – at least, the Uppercasing of references to the Dominant – was an attempt to express in print what can be heard in the voice. Or am I the only one who’s ever noticed a difference in the second person pronoun’s pronunciation when it is a slave addressing their Master, as opposed to the same slave addressing someone else?

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ORIGINAL: lilsubl
…but i’ve also found that the people who are guilty of those things have much to say to me if i choose to listen…


A good thought, and a good lesson for us all – including and perhaps especially ME – to learn to look beyond trivial things that annoy us to see what another person has to teach or contribute.
Thanks to you, lilsubl, I’m not making fun of someone I was tempted to. ;)
Oh, and no, it's not MadRabbit (Who I already apologized to for reading a post too quickly and thinking ill too readily.) It was someone else.

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ORIGINAL: stupideity
is called Anal-retentiveness


Is insisting upon “proper grammar” as opposed to a system of capitalization that some find useful, pleasing, and expressive somehow less “anal-retentive” than is insisting upon detailed compliance to that system in defiance of more commonly accepted rules of language?

I’m sure there are plenty of reasons for adopting one practice or the other, but I don’t see the sense in labeling either as exclusively “anal retentive.” I think either practice could be, and neither has to be.

Say, does anal-retentive really have a hyphen?

Lucius Alexander

Master of the palindromedary (among other things)




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