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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/14/2007 10:24:53 AM   
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Opinion polls show as much has 2/3rds of Americans no longer trust the United Nations. And the anger Americans have for the UN has very little to do with Bush. In the US, the UN starting diving in opinion polls starting with Rwanda. And ever since the favorability of the UN has been declining. And the UN didnt learn anything from that. They stood and watched genocide in Darfur. So what exactly is the purpose of the UN??? Because they have done jack crap to prevent genocide for fear a war might break out. If murder of millions of innocent people is not reason enough for a war, what is a good enough reason? The genocides in Rwanda and Darfur could have been prevented if the civilized world had enough balls to stop it.


You are talking nonsense and crying crocodile tears if you are saying the decline in the support for the UN is anything to do with Rwanda and undisiplined UN troops. If the US really cared so much why didn't it do something itself? Why didn't it stand up in the UN and say the UN charter had to be strengthened? Why didn't it back efforts to make the countries that supplied UN troops have them tried? Because the USA doesn't in anyway believe in any international treaty that might one day lead to the construction of an international court that might try US citizens. So don't start catawalling that the US is seriously interested in international law. It most certainly isn't and never has been and has pulled out of just about every serious treaty that has tried to bring about international law. As long as I can remember, rightwing Americans have been against the UN and have tried to weaken it at every turn. The USA has never ever whole hearted supported a call for international law and we all know why not. Because it would interfer in US adventures like Iraq and its uncritical support for Israel. It would put American politicians in danger of being charged with war crimes!!!!!



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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/14/2007 10:31:39 AM   
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And while we are at it cyberdude. Why do you think the US wanted an Iraqi court to try Saddam Hussein and not an international court try him for war crimes, after all he did start an illegal war with Iran and use illegal weapons? Simple answer, it could have led to US politicians being witnesses for Saddam's defence!!!!!

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/14/2007 11:16:34 AM   
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Having made the effort to read the overview (only 50+ pages) carefully, I am really pleased to see how dumb many people are on these boards.  And what is doubly encouraging is that most are from the USA & UK.  Enough said?


KingDom: your profile photo makes it look as though you are 'phoning The Minister for Administrative Affairs Mr J Hacker to explain that a well educated man such as yourself knows, as do many here,  that a difference of social emphasis  equates to stupidity on the part of those who disagree....with err err YOU.

Dont you think its a good idea to carry on with more of the same policies that have landed us in the mess that exists to day.?

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/14/2007 1:26:30 PM   
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The only interest the United States has ever had in the United Nations, is to get them to clean up the mess, when our army makes one. They are very good at it, and distancing ourselves from the United Nations, is the single most foolish thing done by this administration, in my view.
 
Now, before anyone gets in a huff about how the United States as viewed the roll of the UN ... keep in mind that in the past, we have basically picked up the tab.

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/14/2007 2:10:51 PM   
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A little late to the thread, so lets try drag it back on topic :)


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I would not think that the UK emphasizes individuality, if anythting the exact opposite.



From an economic regulation perspective, Britain certainly encourages individuality. Over the last 30 years, the government has stepped back into the shadows and has increasingly shelved its wealth distribution responsibilities. This neo-liberal style of economics (which is essentially a free-for-all), has simultaneously had the intended, social effect of smashing working class institiutions and community.

The intention behind Thatcher's neo-liberal policies was to create a mobile workforce where workers could easily be laid off and redirected to other industries or laid off and cut off from society (in areas where there was no alternative industry). The intention being to increase British business competitiveness. This could only be done by breaking the collective spirit of the working class and their institutions e.g. Trade Unions, working class industries such as mining etc. Consequently, there is a sense of a lack of community running right through British working class society and where there is a lack of community there is a lack of respect for the community. Hence, anti-social behaviour and crime escalating.

The following are facts:

Britain has the highest rate of anti-social behaviour and serious crime in Western Europe (if not the developed world).
Britain has the largest wealth gap in Western Europe (and probably only second to the US in the developed world).

The Scandanavian countries have relatively low levels of crime and also have a relatively small wealth gap.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that neo-liberal economics is creating a significant part of British society that has no respect for their community. Where there's no respect you have theft, casual violence, alcoholism, drug abuse etc. It's little wonder that children growing up in such a community are plagued by the same anti-social behaviour (whether perpetrators or victims).


I would argue it has little to do with finance or economics, but is more about society and education. Education policy creating a surplus of un-educated dolts? Well lower the standards as to what is a suitable/normal/average education. The wealth gap has nothing to do with it, how bad was anti-social behaviour 50 or 100 years ago before not having a TV in every room was enough to put a family below the poverty line. I agree with you that the reasons behind the anti-social behaviour boild down simply to respect for self and others, however equating respect with wealth is a non-starter. My grandfather never had an indoor toilet at home, never earnt more than enough to just about feed the family and put a roof over their heads, but one thing he had in spades was respect for both himself and others.

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.......alienation between adults and children and children finding their peers unhelpful at best and being fearful of them at worst. It paints a picture of adults having gone walk abouts and failing their children. It seems the solutions maybe deceptively easy, more boundaries and a more secure environment. ..............

Another alarming stat in the report for Britain is that its children are the most unambitious. Ambition for Britain's children appears to be a steady reliable job. Such low ambition is neither good for the individual and good for the country.


Here in the UK parents are encouraged to NOT care about their children. Should a parent wish to care and try to do their best rest assured it will not be easy.

Ambition again comes down to self respect and an education system that would encourage people to do better rather than drag everything to the lowest level (4 years further education today would barely get an "average" teenager up to the same level I was upon leaving school and I was a straight C student at the end of it all)



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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/14/2007 2:36:18 PM   
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Education as applied in the UK is nothing more than a confidence trick.
Get "educated" to get a good job or improve your prospects.
Translation: get "educated" and  sponge off the taxpayer.

True education is a difficult process and very unlikely to appeal to the I want it now I deserve it now generation.

Governments by and large create eff all, they just redistribute and skim a lot off the top for themselves.
eg pension entitlements in UK for high level public servants !!!
A nice little career for a diplomat in bongo bongo land. or Health and Safety or Human Rights. executive he he he he he he

What a larf. I've got an 'ology I 'ave.

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/14/2007 11:49:10 PM   
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A little late to the thread, so lets try drag it back on topic :)


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I would not think that the UK emphasizes individuality, if anythting the exact opposite.



From an economic regulation perspective, Britain certainly encourages individuality. Over the last 30 years, the government has stepped back into the shadows and has increasingly shelved its wealth distribution responsibilities. This neo-liberal style of economics (which is essentially a free-for-all), has simultaneously had the intended, social effect of smashing working class institiutions and community.

The intention behind Thatcher's neo-liberal policies was to create a mobile workforce where workers could easily be laid off and redirected to other industries or laid off and cut off from society (in areas where there was no alternative industry). The intention being to increase British business competitiveness. This could only be done by breaking the collective spirit of the working class and their institutions e.g. Trade Unions, working class industries such as mining etc. Consequently, there is a sense of a lack of community running right through British working class society and where there is a lack of community there is a lack of respect for the community. Hence, anti-social behaviour and crime escalating.

The following are facts:

Britain has the highest rate of anti-social behaviour and serious crime in Western Europe (if not the developed world).
Britain has the largest wealth gap in Western Europe (and probably only second to the US in the developed world).

The Scandanavian countries have relatively low levels of crime and also have a relatively small wealth gap.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that neo-liberal economics is creating a significant part of British society that has no respect for their community. Where there's no respect you have theft, casual violence, alcoholism, drug abuse etc. It's little wonder that children growing up in such a community are plagued by the same anti-social behaviour (whether perpetrators or victims).


I would argue it has little to do with finance or economics, but is more about society and education. Education policy creating a surplus of un-educated dolts? Well lower the standards as to what is a suitable/normal/average education. The wealth gap has nothing to do with it, how bad was anti-social behaviour 50 or 100 years ago before not having a TV in every room was enough to put a family below the poverty line. I agree with you that the reasons behind the anti-social behaviour boild down simply to respect for self and others, however equating respect with wealth is a non-starter. My grandfather never had an indoor toilet at home, never earnt more than enough to just about feed the family and put a roof over their heads, but one thing he had in spades was respect for both himself and others.



1) Economic policy has a huge impact on the well-being of society. You can't disassociate the two as if they're not connected.

2) The wealth-gap point relates to this: 100 years ago, the people within a community earned a similar wage (e.g. your grandad). Thus, there was no sense of grievance and no sense of being deprived of a standard of living that others had (because the much higher standard of living was out of sight). In the modern day, there are obvious huge wealth differences. People can see others living a very comfortable lifestyle (e.g. middle class surburbia and television advertising on a daily basis) but they can't achieve it themselves. This fosters huge resentment and is not healthy for society.

3) You must have missed my comment around the wealth gap in Britain and the link to high crime and anti-social behaviour (when compared with other nations) because you failed to address it. Your explanation will be useful if you don't want to appear to be someone who answers modern day statistical links with anecdotes from 50 to 100 years ago.


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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/15/2007 12:21:19 AM   
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The United States pays over 1/3rd of the UN budget, more than half the humanitarian aid, and supplies half its military personnel and equitment. Yet every country thinks the US should not have any more say in any world issue than anyone else. Well how about if Europe starts paying their fair share? The bloodshed Europeans have spilled over the centuries makes the US look like Disneyland. So spare me the bullcrap.

And there are two reasons the US will oppose any international criminal court:
1. It would violate the US Constitution. The US Constitution states that the Supreme Court is the highest law of the land.
2. The US would be the target of political persecution.

America's founding fathers were also be very much against this. It was George Washington that said in his farewell address that the United States should "avoid entangling aliances." And Thomas Jefferson said the US should "sign few if any treaties." So it is safe to say they would oppose any world court. Especially if Europeans had anything to do with it. Jefferson also said Europe was "a field of slaughter...nations of eternal war...and nations that focus their energies on the destruction of liberty." The founding fathers didn't trust Europe, other than the French for a short period of time. That wore off fast. The first move George Washington did when he was elected the first president was to dissolve the Franco-American alliance.

So it has very little to do with the US not wanting their soldiers tried, Im sure that is why the Pentagon opposes the world court. But America has always had an isolationist and independant attitude going all the way back to the revolution.

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/15/2007 1:17:45 AM   
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The United States pays over 1/3rd of the UN budget, more than half the humanitarian aid, and supplies half its military personnel and equitment. Yet every country thinks the US should not have any more say in any world issue than anyone else. Well how about if Europe starts paying their fair share? The bloodshed Europeans have spilled over the centuries makes the US look like Disneyland. So spare me the bullcrap.



The % of aid per capita given by the US is less than most developed countries. The US pays so much for the UN because you wanted it in America or you were going to take your ball home.

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And there are two reasons the US will oppose any international criminal court:
1. It would violate the US Constitution. The US Constitution states that the Supreme Court is the highest law of the land.
2. The US would be the target of political persecution.



1. Covenient 2. Bullshit       It would mean Presidents would have to consider the possiblility they might end up being tried for war crimes if they started an illegal war. Well, let's be honest, laws are to stop illegal acts, that is not persecution.

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America's founding fathers were also be very much against this. It was George Washington that said in his farewell address that the United States should "avoid entangling aliances." And Thomas Jefferson said the US should "sign few if any treaties." So it is safe to say they would oppose any world court. Especially if Europeans had anything to do with it. Jefferson also said Europe was "a field of slaughter...nations of eternal war...and nations that focus their energies on the destruction of liberty." The founding fathers didn't trust Europe, other than the French for a short period of time. That wore off fast. The first move George Washington did when he was elected the first president was to dissolve the Franco-American alliance.



LOL Look how the USA was created, bloodshed and conquest and genocide! The USA has proved to be no better than Europe and to point at history to justify present adventures is a laugh! The1812 war was the first US imperial war when it tried to annex Canada so the idea the USA somehow believes in blissful isolation is an even bigger laugh.

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So it has very little to do with the US not wanting their soldiers tried, Im sure that is why the Pentagon opposes the world court. But America has always had an isolationist and independant attitude going all the way back to the revolution.


You didn't have a revolution though I know maost Americans believe they did, you won your independence. The founding fathers were the mirror image of the leading Parliamentarians they fought against. They wanted all the same things, the freedom to exploit, accumulate wealth and pay no taxes. As soon as they won their independence the founding fathers were happy to tax others so they could have a standing army to protect their wealth. I notice they kept 90% of the colonists out of their democratic revolution, I notice they didn't free the slaves. The founding fathers had many fine words but very little substance, they were no different than the people they replaced, in fact probably worse. The people they replaced did ban slavery decades before it entered the haeds of American senators.

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/15/2007 4:44:24 AM   
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meat,

If you are an example of the "well educated, socially aware, open minded, moral, caring and insightful" European  ... then thank god the world still has us troglodytes in the US.

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/15/2007 4:49:37 AM   
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meat,

If you are an example of the "well educated, socially aware, open minded, moral, caring and insightful" European  ... then thank god the world still has us troglodytes in the US.

FirmKY



I'm sure the world prefer Americans just as long as they have dollars. It's the ones that kill and steal people's resources they don't like.

I know many Americans really do believe their national myths to be fact and that a reality check can be upsetting but national myth is just that, myth and not fact. The founding fathers were as imperialistic and left an imperial legacy every bit as imperial as the Europeans they claimed to despise.

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/15/2007 5:23:38 AM   
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meat,

You might be more convincing, if you weren't such an ideologue.

If it's even slightly related to the US, then it's obviously bad, evil, and worthy of damnation.

You are a "true believer" in any and everything that is anti-US and anti-capitalist.

Facts and reasoned discussions hold no interest for you, and you listen to others only in an attempt to find a finger-hold vaguely related to reality in some very small measure so that you can have a platform to proselytize and preach.

It gets old.

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/15/2007 5:51:24 AM   
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Whatever FirmhandKY. Keep flying the flag. I don't hold everything American as bad, I just don't see it as better than anything else and if I am truely honest I do prefer the European social model of government, I don't know why there are still American forces in Europe but that is something to beat my fellow Europeans about. I just don't see why we give rightwing America a platform for which to meddle in the middle east which is our back yard and not the US's. If the US want imperial adventures they have enough aircraft carriers. I just don't see why we allow America to build new bases near the Russian border and start a new cold war where our countries will be the battle ground. I would prefer Europe to take responsibility for itself. Armies of liberation eventually become occupying armies if they don't go home but again, that is something I have to convince my fellow Europeans of and get them to believe that the European establishment is compromising the interests of its own citizens by having to compromise its policies to have American forces here. If American citizens say enough, we shouldn't have forces stationed in Europe I would say great, now we can have mutual respect.

Hmm and Britain can become the 51st state of America if it really wants.

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/15/2007 7:36:08 AM   
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If it's even slightly related to the US, then it's obviously bad, evil, and worthy of damnation.



What caused me to reflect on the US is the war in Iraq, the people who conceived that war are sick in the heart. They deserve lynching every bit as much as Saddam was for the blood they split. I put Blair in there too and he is equally sick along with the whole British shit pile of an establishment. Their meally mouthed justification for murder and their current propaganda to soften people up for an attack on Iran just makes me want to vomit. I hate everything those people stand for. Their paranoia and need to condemn everything and everyone that might threaten their power and their dollars in their pocket, it all just leaves me sick in the stomach. Anyone or anything that puts their own personal greed above human life is just sick. No doubt you will say so do the terrorists and yes they are sick too but they don't murder in my name. Even the terrorists aren't murdering for greed!

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/15/2007 8:56:08 AM   
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I have read about half of the posts here, instead of arguing about why the U.S.A. is so far down on the list.
Why not attempt to come up with some strategies to bring us at least into the top 10?
I have a few.  Maybe if we spent more money on education and say less in Iraq, maybe the school system
would improve?  We need more magnet schools and speciality schools and smaller schools which all cost money.
Until the US is ready to put money into education instead of the rhetoric No Child Left Behind which basically
is doing nothing for children, we will continue to sink lower.

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/15/2007 9:16:17 AM   
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Ireland ranks in at No. 9.  Not bad!

As a mother of 3 unmentionables, I'm claiming credit where credit is due 

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/15/2007 9:32:57 AM   
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If it's even slightly related to the US, then it's obviously bad, evil, and worthy of damnation.



What caused me to reflect on the US is the war in Iraq, the people who conceived that war are sick in the heart. They deserve lynching every bit as much as Saddam was for the blood they split. I put Blair in there too and he is equally sick along with the whole British shit pile of an establishment. Their meally mouthed justification for murder and their current propaganda to soften people up for an attack on Iran just makes me want to vomit. I hate everything those people stand for. Their paranoia and need to condemn everything and everyone that might threaten their power and their dollars in their pocket, it all just leaves me sick in the stomach. Anyone or anything that puts their own personal greed above human life is just sick. No doubt you will say so do the terrorists and yes they are sick too but they don't murder in my name. Even the terrorists aren't murdering for greed!


Got it.

Western Civilization and culture: corrupt, evil, and damnable.

Everyone else:  poor people!

Your ideology is showing.  Again.

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PS: MsSticks, Ireland is the bomb! 


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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/15/2007 9:45:10 AM   
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Western Civilization and culture: corrupt, evil, and damnable.

Everyone else:  poor people!

Your ideology is showing.  Again.

FirmKY

PS: MsSticks, Ireland is the bomb! 



No. I'm fucking pissed off with western culture because I'm part of it and it does things in my name. If I was an Arab, perhaps I would be pissed off with Arab culture.

The EU threw money at Ireland for years (basically German and British money), it should be doing well.  Then Ireland voted against an EU treaty that would redistribute money to other poor EU countries. I guess that is democracy, fuck everyone else.

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/15/2007 9:58:06 AM   
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actually you can look at Arrafat, and see that terrorists do indeed kill for greed...even thier "own" people.

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RE: Britain and USA bad for children. - 2/15/2007 10:04:06 AM   
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actually you can look at Arrafat, and see that terrorists do indeed kill for greed...even thier "own" people.


Arafat was just a corrupt leader like Bush and Blair but point taken. Though I would class Arafat as a freedom fighter, after all he was supposed to be fighting for the freedom of his people. So I guess he has more in common with Bush and Blair than bin Laden.

Well Bush has no problem sending his own people to die for himself and his oil friends. It's just a pity so many Americans bought into his propaganda. As for Blair, why the fuck he sent British troops to Iraq god alone only knows, other than some fucked up notion of self engrandisement.

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