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LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (2/15/2007 8:25:45 AM)
Yeah but you guys get your "chocolate" and "candy" mixed up! And wtf is with "pram" and "prawn?"

adaddysgirl -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (2/15/2007 8:28:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth there have been a few isolated occasions that Master has deemed the use of third person speech inappropriate. e.g. business dinners that were casual enough to include "spouses and significant others" and get togethers with certain relatives that are unaware of our M/s relationship. other than that it is expected at all times, private or public. this slave does not have an employer to answer to, a PTA meeting to attend, nor does she spend much time on the phone talking about herself with folks who are unaware of her relationship. Well i guess that does make it easier. i am also wondering (if you don't mind)....would you say that in 'your circle', most of the slaves use this terminology as well...or is it more unique to you and Merc? example: "Hello, Maid Service." "Hi, this is Mrs. Merc(or beth)" "How can we help you, today?" instead of "I need the maids to come on Wednesday instead of Thursday this week" this slave would say "Would it be possible for the maids to come Wednesday instead of Thursday this week?" employing third person speech as a tool does not necessarily mean just replacing all of the "I"'s in your sentences with a replacement of "this one" or "this girl" or "this slave". it certainly hasn't been from at least one perspective. Now this made the concept clearer for me. The main concern then is not using I....your name can also be a substitute for that. Hmmm...i wasn't even thinking along those lines. Well thanks for the response beth [&:] DG

adaddysgirl -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (2/15/2007 8:39:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross I've not known someone to use that speech in all contexts. However, as I said in my OR- I've occasionally used third person speech for as long as I can recall. It wasn't until I got into the "corporate world" that people started to consider me weird for it. When my daughter was little, she had a friend Michael who always said 'Michael wants this or Michael needs that', etc. It did sound a little odd but it really was cute. But i would have no idea how that started or when it ever ended. As i mentioned in my response to beth, i really had not thought of 3rd person as using one's own name like that...seeing it more as a 'this one, girl' etc. Now i see that differently.[sm=idea.gif] As an everyday constant thing, specially if the slave was a mother, I can see how it would be awkward at times. But again, if the slave is good with it, graceful, I think it could be managed fairly well. i suppose it isn't too bad when they are young as you can always just refer to yourself as mommy....but it might sound a bit odd when they get older. It is kind of an interesting concept though. DG

agirl -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (2/15/2007 9:17:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross Yeah but you guys get your "chocolate" and "candy" mixed up! And wtf is with "pram" and "prawn?" No, no......We don't have candy at all, we have sweets. What's wrong with pram?......In the US, you stroll with a stroller...in the UK we perambulate with a perambulator.....( ok, we shortened it to pram; it's difficult to say perambulator with a plum in your mouth) Prawn?...... I suppose in the US you eat shellfish and have no individual distinctions? Funny chaps you are. agirl

Devilslilsister -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (2/15/2007 9:18:51 AM)
quote: Awww thanks. Yah "K" and I have had our....... share of experiences. (no not sexual, for anyone who wants to warp what I just said and make it vulgar) You stay warm too. Blankets, fire, and hot cocoa work nicely! :-) thats only because i havent gotten to bite something yet. Rofllllllllllllllll One of these days you're going to say "alright FINE, get it over with and stop bothering me about it" Atleast i'm hoping. Either that or you'll have to find a replacement. Thanks for welcoming her Lawerence - that was really sweet = )

Mercnbeth -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (2/15/2007 10:04:41 AM)
quote: other than that it is expected at all times, private or public. this slave does not have an employer to answer to, a PTA meeting to attend, nor does she spend much time on the phone talking about herself with folks who are unaware of her relationship. Well i guess that does make it easier. i am also wondering (if you don't mind)....would you say that in 'your circle', most of the slaves use this terminology as well...or is it more unique to you and Merc? We aren't unique! We really don't know the extent of the practice within our "circle". We sure don't know how extensive the practice is utilized outside the times when we're together. It is a private and personal aspect of a relationship, as is living 24/7 as Master/slave. Only a small percentage of our group lives or wants to live that way. I would think an even smaller percentage use third party speech. It has been almost for years ago that I first told beth; "There is no 'i' in slave!"

Arastella -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (2/15/2007 12:15:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Devilslilsister quote: Awww thanks. Yah "K" and I have had our....... share of experiences. (no not sexual, for anyone who wants to warp what I just said and make it vulgar) You stay warm too. Blankets, fire, and hot cocoa work nicely! :-) thats only because i havent gotten to bite something yet. Rofllllllllllllllll One of these days you're going to say "alright FINE, get it over with and stop bothering me about it" Atleast i'm hoping. Either that or you'll have to find a replacement. Thanks for welcoming her Lawerence - that was really sweet = ) No! You never get to bite it and thats FINAL! PERIOD! END OF STORY, IT'S MINE!!! rolls on the floor cracking up ((since my smileys dont work anymore :-( ))

Celeste43 -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (2/15/2007 7:31:11 PM)
Being an English major I find third party speech pretentious and annoying as hell. Luckily for me, he isn't interestedin anything that makes open and heartfelt communication more difficult. If there's something important I need to talk to him about, then it's already difficult for me to talk about. So if I were then required to talk in a manner totally unnatural after 50 odd years of common speech, I would give up and not talk since in the throes of emotion I couldn't do it. And as we all know, if the sub doesn't talk about what is going on inside, resentment will build up unless the dom happens to be an excellent mind reader. Oddly enough, haven't met one of them yet.

reverendtorres -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (2/16/2007 7:02:15 AM)
It irritates the hell out of me. Then again, some people chew funny and some people insist on wearing bright colors..... I just tune it all out and go about my business.

topcat -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (2/16/2007 12:28:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: reverendtorres It irritates the hell out of me. Then again, some people chew funny and some people insist on wearing bright colors..... I just tune it all out and go about my business. And some move all over the country, and lose touch, and never write to say they're ok...

obey1 -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (2/16/2007 1:40:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Celeste43 Being an English major I find third party speech pretentious... You know? That is actually the perfect word for it. In Spanish, for example, the verb changes 'tense' more radically that English does when a different pronoun is used. In English for example we have I saw, you saw, she saw, he saw. In Spanish it would be yo vi, tu viste, ella vio, el vio. Then it occurred to me that by changing first person to third person you are modifying the verb tense. So pre-ten-tious works perfectly because it shares the 'ten' root of 'tense'. And I looked it up to make sure.... http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/pretentious (for the full details) "expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature" This was the one that got me going because I had always thought about pretentious more along the lines of exaggerated towards the "I'm better than you are" type of INCREASE in worth. This was the first time I realized that it is perfectly logical to go the other way too, to exaggerate a decrease in worth, or diminue. I learned a new way of telling someone to get over themselves when they play the "poor me" card. Interesting. What is even more interesting is that logically, the next step from there is "pretend". Weird, eh? Slaves that talk in third person are pretending and pretentious, and have no pretense, because to speak that way they are altering the verb tense! Wow. It is really interesting how our language is so intertwined. Thanks English Major![;)] P.S. Next time, for laughs, say "Being a highly respeced English professor (That's PH.D. to you, thank you) at an extremely prestigious university, I find third party speech criminally pretentious and there should be heavy and burdensome fines for it. (LOL) (more leg pulling ensues)(I could pull your hair though if you prefer)

reverendtorres -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (2/16/2007 5:01:39 PM)
You have mail.

Lucius -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (2/18/2007 10:26:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: topcat It's been, to the best of my knowledge, a part of the culture of Marine Corps boot camp since sometime prior to WWII... What bugs me more than people who are doing it, is people who are getting it wrong- it shouldn't be "this girl thanks her master", it should be "the girl thanks it's master"- the point is depersonalisation. Thank You: I had forgotten the military context. I had a nagging feeling I knew it was older somehow than the Gor novels, that was just the earliest example that came to mind. I wonder how old it is in that context? Or if there's any way of ever knowing? Lucius Alexander House of the Palindromedary

Master0fMARs -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (11/7/2007 12:17:40 PM)
I just hate the ice cream cone. LOL! My life is beyond this place, I realize this more and more.

MidnightMaiden -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (11/7/2007 2:36:53 PM)
I understand the purpose of third person speech, what I don't understand is why a Master doesn't prefer the term "your" to "this". Seems to me that drives home the symbolism of ownership and possession in a stronger manner. This slave, this girl implies I am simply thus, and could be anybody's slave. I would expect that if it were demanded that I speech to other Masters in third person that I would be expected to use "this slave" to not only show him respect but to show I understand my place. But in reference to my own Master, isn't it better that I understand I am HIS. Your slave, your girl, your whore etc.

Squeakers -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (11/7/2007 7:00:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arastella For some reason, I do not agree with using this address for myself. I am a slave, but I also still do have a mind of my own and a heart that beats, etc etc. Why refer to yourself as "this one", as if you aren't that important in life? Now just to clarify, I am not saying anyone who does this is wrong, or stupid and I don't disapprove of others doing it. I'm just trying to figure out why slaves are to refer to themselves in the third person. Any explanations and even people who disagree are appreciated. Refering to myself as 'this one', 'this slave' or 'girl' is a total hard limit for me. I am so less apt to make a spelling mistakes if I simply use, 'I', 'me' or 'myself'. Because my ultimate goal in life is to be completely perfect in every way---call me Mary Poppins---I try to make this goal a bit easier on myself.

wisteriaV -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (11/7/2007 7:47:46 PM)
Roleplaying gorean slaves use third person although its mentioned briefly in the books its not mandated by the day to speech of the slave on gor..it was used as a learning tool or punishment. Over time I have noticed that third person is used online. Its annoying as hell .

msindigomontoya -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (11/7/2007 8:03:37 PM)
It doesn't really annoy me that much when other people do it, but it's not something that I would ever wanna do. Guess if I had the choice between that and listening to someone chew gum loudly, I'd take the 3rd person addressing. Indigo

RRafe -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (11/7/2007 8:07:26 PM)
I like the concept-but think using the word "one" lacks creativity. How about "this little teapot" "this little cumdumpster" Think of the possibilities for amusement!

MRandme -> RE: Slaves referring to themselves as "this one" (11/8/2007 4:06:36 AM)
my Master doesn't require it, since He finds it as tedious to read as i do to write it. i do use it occasionally, when i make a request or need to ask a question. Again, He is pleased by it but does not require it. It shows that i am making a request, not demanding and that i understand that it is His choice, not mine. In person, i will say "Your girl..." instead of "i" sometimes, especially if i am asking for clarification. i also refer to Him as "my Master" when speaking, but that is more a term of affection than a requirement. g

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