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RE: Incompetent vs. Strict Masters... - 2/19/2007 5:08:10 AM   
StellaByStarlite


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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Hello A/all,

I see myself as a catalyst for a reaction.  I dont want to tell her to clean the sink.  I dont want to tell her that now would be a lovely time for a blow job.  I dont want to tell her to get a job.  Take over Walmart.  Defeat Al Qaeda.  What I want to see is her knowing that what attracts me to the D/s relationship is the knowledge that because of what I do, she is becoming what she needs to be.

Which is not to say that I do not ever give direction.  What it means is that when and where and what type of direction I give is of my own choosing.

Sinergy


Hi, Sinergy =)
 
Yes, you definitely hit the nail on the head with that one. My owner's stance is that I sure as hell know what he expects of me, and he considers me intelligent and responsible enough to get it done. He'll give me specifics as warranted, but most of the tasks and directives are geared towards using my abilities and skills on my own.
 
It's working in spades, too. I feel so useful and I can bustle about taking care of his needs and desires. My sense of accomplishment is enhanced, my self-esteem boosted. And the most important thing is.. his happiness and pleasure is noticable. I'm a people-pleaser and service-junkie by nature, so it's wonderful to have all that channeled to somebody specific, in a healthy way. Does that make any sense? lol.
 
 
Regards, Stella

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RE: Incompetent vs. Strict Masters... - 2/19/2007 5:40:33 AM   
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Nope, that is the original european version by Rod Stewart.  Robert Palmer heard the song and by his own admission ripped it off and wrote his own words.

Ron

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RE: Incompetent vs. Strict Masters... - 2/19/2007 6:03:20 AM   
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Basically, the less a dominant does in the way of domination the more effective s/he will be.  The best are those who can command without ever issuing an order.

This reminds me of one of my favorite sayings from Machiavelli which goes like this: "the king who has the most power is the one who uses it the least."

Sounds easy enough to say, but it raises the question of where does such power come from? I think a king who faces no external threats may be compared to a dominant because he only needs to inspire and go unchallenged by his subjects. It's been a while since I've read his works, but what has stuck in my mind is that the king just needed respect earned through wise leadership (i.e. not taxing to much, fair laws, etc.) along with just a bit of fear.


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RE: Incompetent vs. Strict Masters... - 2/19/2007 6:58:51 AM   
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Did it ever occur to you to think OUTSIDE yourself, that maybe it's necessary for a Dominant to "take a break" once in a while to refresh ourselves?  After all, we are thinking, making decisions and exerting our control for two people and the good of the relationship if we using our power effectively.  That's why we have been given consent to do what we think/feel is in the best interest of all parties ~ because you trust us and have faith in us.  One of the things that stumps me as a Dominant is when we have been given that power through supposed trust and faith, does that mean that we must be "ON" all the time?  We are not robots either, as some claim we expect our submissives to be.  I think that to expect a Dominant to be "ON" all the time is the same as expecting a submissive to be "ON" all the time.  In fact, is being "ON" all the time exclusively indigenous to BDSM?  I think not.  It's part of human nature, and Dominants are human, just as submissives are human.

IMO, I think that SimplyMichael hit the nail on the head.  It all comes down to wants, rather than needs being met.  Few seem to truly know the difference, much to the shagrin of many Dominants.  Just because your Dominant isn't paying constant attention to you, when you think he/she should or when you want it to happen, doesn't have to mean your needs aren't being met, only that your wants are being denied for whatever reason your Dominant chooses to deny them.  Period.

Or, maybe your Dominant just needs a breather.  Personally, there is nothing that I hate more than feeling pressured by a submissive to exert my dominance at their will.  After all, I'm a Dominant whether or not I exibit my control 24/7 or go on a one week hiatus.  Just makes me think that some submissives have it all backwards, and NEED to put their sometimes own selfish WANTS behind them.  After all, isn't that the crux of your submission?  Or, are you submitting to please yourself by requiring constant attention? 

Also, consider that there are times when we want to just sit back and reap the fruits of our labor, just like anyone else.  Recently, I've had the pleasure to do just that.  My water glass was refreshed before half-empty, my ashtray emptied and washed after 2 cigarette butts, the TV remote at my side, the lights just the way that I like them, my sub on the floor at my feet ~ all without a word, hand signal or look in her direction.  As a Dominant, I've worked hard with my submissive who is only a few months into BDSM, and it was nice to just sit back, to watch all that I've strived for come into it's own.  And what a feeling of pride cast in her direction.  Paradoxically, her needs were met in serving my wants.


LBO

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RE: Incompetent vs. Strict Masters... - 2/19/2007 10:09:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Nope, that is the original european version by Rod Stewart.  Robert Palmer heard the song and by his own admission ripped it off and wrote his own words.

Ron


Wow, the things one can learn in an Incompetent Master discussion.  Thanks Ron!!

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RE: Incompetent vs. Strict Masters... - 2/19/2007 10:48:23 AM   
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Well, I am incompetent in a lot more areas than just that.....ask away ......

StrictlyIncompetentMaster

(actually if you read the little blurb of his song stuff on one CD, he goes into some detail about it, I am surprised he never got his ass sued over it) 

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RE: Incompetent vs. Strict Masters... - 2/19/2007 11:35:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

StrictlyIncompetentMaster


Is that better than being IncompetentlyStrict?

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RE: Incompetent vs. Strict Masters... - 2/19/2007 11:43:58 AM   
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Perhaps,

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RE: Incompetent vs. Strict Masters... - 2/19/2007 11:52:09 AM   
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LMAO!!!

I think we're gonna get shoo'd off to Polls & Random Stupidity if we continue this. 


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RE: Incompetent vs. Strict Masters... - 2/19/2007 3:41:11 PM   
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I echo the question.  I have used this strategy to uncover hidden motivations of a submissive in the past as well as to teach patience and the real meaning of submission..i.e. letting go of the control thing.

Teaching with metaphors tends to be the most effective that I've learned along the way.  It may take a bit of time, but it sinks in deeply.

Shogun

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RE: Incompetent vs. Strict Masters... - 2/19/2007 3:52:21 PM   
ShogunSensei


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It's nice to know when submissives do understand this form of dominance.  Though more active than inactive, it does go unrecognized at times. 

And I'm happy to mentor or teach...I also want a highly intelligent submissive or slave, so I expet them to learn quickly.

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RE: Incompetent vs. Strict Masters... - 2/19/2007 5:12:15 PM   
ShogunSensei


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ORIGINAL: ShogunSensei

It's nice to know when submissives do understand this form of dominance.  Though more active than inactive, it does go unrecognized at times. 

And I'm happy to mentor or teach...I also want a highly intelligent submissive or slave, so I expet them to learn quickly.



I'm not inarticulate...I am simply fluent in typonese.  hehehe

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