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Well, it sounds great. I take my hat off to you. However, what is the point in shooting someone in the head? This isn't some sort of bravado, nor is it a computer game. This is the intricacies of human existence.

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By the way, where were your guns when bush and associates were indirectly and directly causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq? Not interested or disarmed? 

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NG, we here in America have an additional freedom that would have prevented the nazis from comming into power in Germany had they had it.
It's called the Second Amendment, the right to keep and bare arms.
If the German people had killed a few hundred or a few thousand of those nazis perhaps they would have rethought their whole gameplan.

I like this guy

As to the person who said something along the lines of a lot of good it does when they take them away?  I asure you anyone tries to pull a NOLA on me and I will be taking many of them with me.

Well, it sounds great. I take my hat off to you. However, what is the point in shooting someone in the head? This isn't some sort of bravado, nor is it a computer game. This is the intricacies of human existence.

By the way, where were your guns when bush and associates were indirectly and directly causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq? Not interested or disarmed?

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

The thing is Popeye, you're people.....the Iraqis are people. If your government isn't fazed by killing Iraqis, then what makes you think they'd be fazed by allowing a few Mexicans over the border? What makes you think they'll turn their emotions on like a tap and suddenly have the interests of the US people at heart? People are people.

More importantly, if you don't give a fuck about anyone else i.e. you're not interested in what is going on in Iraq, then how can you expect other people (your government) to give a fuck about your concerns. What goes around comes around.

Conservatism is a double edged sword because it's great for self-interest, but when you want something back (e.g. from your government) don't expect it because they're enthused with the same conservative self-interest.

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ive NEVER seen someone who was jewish use the race card to their advantage in an every day setting

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hate crime(which i have to say, isnt quite on the same level as our hate crime, since, though they were slaves, they werent systematically exterminated, and still had most of their family intact)!

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personal opinion: this argument brings up the point of "The race card". as a jew, i SHOULD technically be able to pull the race card against anyone who is german(or a nazi), couldnt i? since most of my grandparents' families were obliterated and all. curious thing though, we dont...never, nada..ive NEVER seen someone who was jewish use the race card to their advantage in an every day setting.....but ive seen SOOO many african americans use the race card to their advantage in school, at work, on the street..oh! youre a racist! im suing you for a hate crime(which i have to say, isnt quite on the same level as our hate crime, since, though they were slaves, they werent systematically exterminated, and still had most of their family intact)!
isnt this kind of like the same thing? hey, no problem with me if the race card is being used to MY people's benefit..but honestly free speach is free speach. its disgusting what some people say, and what they think, but apparently mental damage doesnt count as assult. 

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I think his issue is that you stated you did not care.

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Well the situation in Darfur is different than Iraq. And no one wants us to fight a war there, they want us to send peace keepers in to police what is happening.

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A guy goes into a conference and says that Jews control everything, and that everything that people lack is because Jews are screwing them. They paint Jews as nefarious theives. They go further in stating that anyone who would attack Jewish people for these perceived flaws is blessed. They go on to talk about how to go about committing crimes against Jewish people. They advocate the burning of synagogues, they tell people that they should do this immediately! THIS is inciting violence. It is the reason why we have hate speech laws.

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NG, we here in America have an additional freedom that would have prevented the nazis from comming into power in Germany had they had it.
It's called the Second Amendment, the right to keep and bare arms.
If the German people had killed a few hundred or a few thousand of those nazis perhaps they would have rethought their whole gameplan.

I like this guy

As to the person who said something along the lines of a lot of good it does when they take them away?  I asure you anyone tries to pull a NOLA on me and I will be taking many of them with me.

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
Incidently after one incident, the name just escapes me, attempts were made to break up the Nazi party. just remembered there was a "revolution or coup" in Bavaria. Hitler apparently expected a far more severe sentence than he actually got.
In prison he wrote mein Kampf

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NG, we here in America have an additional freedom that would have prevented the nazis from comming into power in Germany had they had it.
It's called the Second Amendment, the right to keep and bare arms.
If the German people had killed a few hundred or a few thousand of those nazis perhaps they would have rethought their whole gameplan.

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
Incidently after one incident, the name just escapes me, attempts were made to break up the Nazi party. just remembered there was a "revolution or coup" in Bavaria. Hitler apparently expected a far more severe sentence than he actually got.
In prison he wrote mein Kampf

It was in November of 1923 and was called "The Beer Hall Putsch."   It was not an attempt to break up the Nazi Party but was an attempt by the Nazi Party to take over the government.  They failed.

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The plaque on display at Auschwitz from 1948-89 had the figure of four million. Today the same plaque reads 1.5 million casually reducing the number of deaths by 2.5 million.
Not quite sure exactly what "Holocaust Denial" is but would that include what has happened at Auschwitz, that one might wonder if the 6 Million number is accurate.
This Zundel was a mentor of a  former Max Planck chemist Germar Rudolf, who is on trial in Germany on similar charges.

When the ability for debate and examination on a particular theory or thesis is forcibly removed, one can only surmise that the theory or thesis is completely flawed.

Historian David Irving was released earlier this year from  an Austrian prison for similar charges.

But I cannot help asking myself what sort of truth it is that requires these sanctions.
--AUBERON WAUGH writing about David Irving in the London Telegraph.

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The plaque on display at Auschwitz from 1948-89 had the figure of four million. Today the same plaque reads 1.5 million casually reducing the number of deaths by 2.5 million.

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Genocide does not begin with genocide. It is the result of a chain of events. All genocide points back to one common denominator - extremists given a platform to push their views and gain support. If you nip these extremists in the bud, then there is a fair chance it will alter the chain of events and prevent genocide.

the first step of genocide usually  happens when one group begins to take the rights of another group of people. Therefore it is the taking of civil rights that is the precursor to genocide in my mind.

That is why I am so defensive on the Bill of Rights, because in my mind that I can speak out freely against Gitmo and war, and treating people like second class citizens based on ethnicity and race is a direct result of the fact we have a Bill of Rights. It is hard to hide what you are doing in a free society.