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Hunting in the modern age

Hunting is fine for any reason

6% (2)

Hunting is wrong for any reason

6% (2)

Hunting is ok for the purpose of food

46% (15)

Hunting is ok for population control

18% (6)

hunting is ok for sport

3% (1)

Hunting is ok if the animals have lasers on their heads

6% (2)

other-explain

12% (4)

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/16/2007 10:44:50 PM

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SLURP EM"! It'll either scare them away or make them your best friends....fuzzy fuzzy little friends.

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/16/2007 10:52:01 PM

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FR: When you talk about "Dove" hunting, you need to identify the bird. They are wild doves, not the small white "Magician" doves, and they are a fast, hard-to-shoot bird. Doves are the most popular bird hunted in the USA, with the annual kill exceeding all other birds (including waterfowl) combined. (That surprised me, too, but I double checked it.) I do not enjoy the forced "beaten field" dove hunting found in Argentina and other countries, but in the USA dove hunting is a difficult, respectable sport. Before you "diss" a dove hunter, go out and bag your limit, and then tell me they are just balls of fluff.

Point of Information: I hunt with a shotgun. Hunting small, fast birds with a rifle leaves you hungry. Hunting small, fast birds with a bow leaves you with a shaft in your thigh (if I'm the one with the bow). Even if no one gets hurt, it might be interesting to watch, but only from a LONG distance. I usually hunt over a dog or two, although I've been known to "free hunt" quail and upland birds without. A different set of skills.

My favorite bird to hunt is Chukkar, a European partridge which is wily, breaks fast and flies in a complex, unpredictable pattern. I'll hunt turkey for food in season, but despite their vaunted intelligence and difficulty, they are not that much fun. Quail are a great sport as well.

Hunting teaches respect for the animal, respect for the land and respect for the gun. It also teaches patience and skill. I have treasured the hours I've spent hunting with family and friends, and regret that I never had a chance to take either my father or my brother hunting before they passed.

I have hunted ducks and geese, but I outgrew the desire to leave my nice warm bed (and bedmate) at three am to go 10 miles upriver and lay in a cold, wet burrow for a few more hours before dawn. I wonder why?

Besides, if I wanted to freeze my ass, get drunk, and mess around with dangerous machinery, I'd go ice fishing.

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/16/2007 10:54:43 PM

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In California it is getting harder and harder for the hunter and fisherman. People seem to think that both are bad. They have no clue what the money goes to for the privilege to hunt or to fish. The places that get reclaimed for the animals habitat, the sales taxes alone that pay for everything in a city or county. My husband use to call them breakfast doves. Turkey was his most favorite upland game bird that he took up hunting. It took skill and lots of patience to wait for that Tom/Jake to get close enough. If it was not close enough for him he would never take the shot. I have birds all over my house hanging on my walls. They are beautiful and even though my husband is gone I will not take them down.

My husband had a heart attack on Father's Day 2006 doing one of his favorite things. A neighbor brought over fresh shrimp and he was like a little kid in the candy store. He had to go fish for sturgeon. I said go. He left that morning saying good-bye and I love you, I said I love you back. I never saw him again. (well you know).

I figure now he is teaching new souls how to hunt and fish.

I didn't stop to comment...Till now. But I thought what you wrote was touching....And my heart goes out for your loss....But he was a very fortunate man...Had an extremely loving understanding wife, and he passed away doing something that he loved...How many will be able to say the same? ...Very lucky man!

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/16/2007 11:03:51 PM

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I didn't stop to comment...Till now. But I thought what you wrote was touching....And my heart goes out for your loss....But he was a very fortunate man...Had an extremely loving understanding wife, and he passed away doing something that he loved...How many will be able to say the same? ...Very lucky man!

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/16/2007 11:08:14 PM

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Ok I dont know how to use the quote screen yet but thank you for your post

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/16/2007 11:20:49 PM

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Hottie, I to wish to extend my empathy to you over your lose. The loss of a loved one is a difficult thing for me so I tend to gloss over them and deal with it as I can.

As for the quote thing... on each post is "reply" "quote" and "Fwd". Just click the quote button and it will do all that nifty stuff for you.

Make sure you type outside of the quote tags []

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/16/2007 11:26:48 PM

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I do maintain that sports hunting for many guys is an
excuse to get out of the house and do some male
bonding, get drunk, freeze or roast, and pick ticks
out of their socks. You go Iron John!

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I have hunted ducks and geese, but I outgrew the desire to leave my nice warm bed (and bedmate) at three am to go 10 miles upriver and lay in a cold, wet burrow for a few more hours before dawn. I wonder why?

Besides, if I wanted to freeze my ass, get drunk, and mess around with dangerous machinery, I'd go ice fishing.

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/16/2007 11:32:31 PM

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We actually have an over-abundance of wild turkeys around
these parts. The over-sized birds made the local newspaper.
Seems they like to terrorize the staff at the CMC (California
Men's Colony), as they go to and from their vehicles in the
parking lot. You can see them out in the fields when driving
along that stretch of highway. I have been chased by geese
before, sure would not want to have a wild turkey after me!

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Turkeys are shockingly fast for those that haven't seen wild ones. (Did you non hunter/woodsy folk know that turkeys sleep in trees?). No way can you sneak up on those without experience and work!

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/17/2007 8:16:14 PM

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My husband took out an article about a poucher who thought he killed a turkey with a bow and arrow put his bow in with another arrow still hooked into the bow somehow and drove away. When he got home he found that the turkey was still alive and kicking. Which sent an arrow into him. He was arrested and taken to jail.

We have now a bunch of turkeys in Marin County where they were released to build up numbers. The only stupid thing is you can't hunt in Marin County unless it is private property. Not only do we have too many turkeys (which should either be caught and released to the areas that can be hunted or let hunting be allowed again in Marin) but we also have too many mountain lions in Marin for my taste. I don't need them hanging around the hill by my house. Then we have some wonderful people who want to reintroduce grizzley bears back into California. We can't hunt mountain lions god knows they won't let anyone touch them either when their numbers climb. By the way, this idea does not come from hunters or Fish and Game.

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/17/2007 8:22:11 PM

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Hunting is fine and dandy for several reasons. I have done some hunting myself and plan to do more when the time allows.

It is a tradition, food, and teaches many things. It also contributes to healthy animal populations. Without removing part of the heard through hunting you end up with a half starved population with to much inbreeding. Lets have a shit load of half starving stunted growth from DNA that looks like a pretzel inbred deer and other animals. Lovely. Doesn't matter if people do it or wolves do it, a healthy ecosystem needs hunters in it. Humans fit the bill very nicely.

Also we Americans are far to removed from where our actual food comes from. The average anti-hunter thinks nothing of stopping by mcdonals or chowing down on their T-Bone. Meat was once living and breathing and I asure you the deer filling up my freezer lived a much better life and met a much more pleasent end then your cow flesh.

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/17/2007 8:28:01 PM

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Have you ever looked at someone’s feet that was preaching to you about just how evil hunting is?

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/17/2007 8:52:36 PM

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I am aware which dove. The morning dove. The same doves that bounce around on my driveway and sit in my trees.
Even if they are the most hunted bird that does not make it right to me. I'd really rather not "go out and bag my limit". I get no thrill out of killing things.
I have no problem with hunting if it is done the right way. As someone had already said most animals that are hunted are killed in a much more humane way than what is sold to us in stores. But i don't think it should be for sport.

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/17/2007 9:02:41 PM

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Actually you are speaking of the mourning dove.. like mourning for the passing of a lost one..

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/17/2007 9:16:31 PM

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I grew up in a household where we raised much of our own meat and other food, but we were not allowed to learn to use firearms. Mother disliked guns so we could not have them. Part of the result of that was later in life a family member being injured while using a shotgun with only self taught safety.
I got drafted and had to learn to handle some powerful weapons, including rifles and handguns. After I got home and out of service I learned to use muzzleloaders and most types of small arms. I also learned to love hunting. I feel I find the divinity of Mother Nature a very important part of my life. I have done much volunteer work in outdoor related activities, and that is good too.
My doctor tells me that my venison has more good protein and nutrients in it than beef while having far less fats and cholesteral than poultry. I did not get any deer last fall so this year my partner and I must deal with store bought meat for a change.

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/18/2007 12:43:06 AM

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Actually you are speaking of the mourning dove.. like mourning for the passing of a lost one..

yes, sorry typo.

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RE: Hunting in the modern age - 2/18/2007 12:56:21 AM

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Yeah, poachers are pond scum. Hope I am not offending any
algae eaters here!

My favorite story about dumb-ass poachers was told by the
instructor in a biology class. Seems a bunch of guys would
go out to Joshua Tree in the California desert and shoot at the
bottom of the big cacti until the cacti fell over, load them into
the back of a pick-up and go sell them in the city.

One of these jackasses met a well deserved fate when a
cactus fell over on top of him, impaling and squashing him
to death all at once.

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