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The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long TreSwan... - 2/16/2007 5:53:40 PM   
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Latch-key children; the dissolve of the nuclear family; socio-economic disparity; sexual abuse; trash television (reality T.V.); political dissension.  Pick and choose...........pick and choose.
 
The current cultural zeitgeist of the Stars and Stripes is analogous to the nutritional value of a box of cream-filled, Little Debbie Snack Cakes.  Sure, they're a delectable, sinfully scrumptious kitchen-treat; however, eat enough of those bad boys, and they'll fucking kill you deader than ol' Anna Nicole Smith.

Now, in the days of yore, folks all across God's green earth had a wee bit of a hard-on for Americans, with their rugged self-sufficiency, unextinguishable fiery work-ethic, and nice, muscular pioneer asses.  Hell-Manifest Destiny may have wrestled Texas away from the Mexicans, and sent the Injuns running out of their wigwams and into multi-million dollar casino complexs, but goddammit, Americans were likable bastards.

Fast foward to the current century, and BLAMMO - the times, they are a changin'.  The poor people are reproducing like hot and bothered bunny rabbits, senior citizens are taking buses to Canada to snatch up affordable meds, hundreds of thousands of ghetto children are failing and bailing out of school, the gap between the rich and poor is growing at an exponential rate, the country is embroiled in a foreign conflict with ambivalence running high, and everybody hates the President.  Americans are more engrossed in the vicissitudes of Survivor and stolid American Idol "celebrities" than the emotional and intellectual progression of their children.  Medications are being prescribed left and right for neuroses misdiagnosed as chemical imbalances.  A whole generation of folks are treading water on Zoloft, Xanax, and Prozac.

Yet the Chinese Americans remain untouched.  More than any other ethnic group in the United States, the Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese (we'll just lump em' together) are collectively running a train on academia, snatching up the laurels of higher-education like an intrepid housewife on "Supermarket Sweep."  While the white, black, and Hispanic kids are receiving half-ass support from their parents, the Chinese are making sure that  Hyong Zhou studies for that extra two hours.  I mean, wouldn't it be embarrassing if little Hyong make less than a 1500 on his S.A.T's?

Those immigrants from the People's Republic are the embodiment of what America USED to be, back before the days of  "30 minutes or less" pizza deliveries, No Child Left Behind programs, rampant welfare abuse, ubiquitous knocked-up teenagers, and the wave of illegals from our "friendly" neighbors to the south.  While the other kids are goofing off in class, Hyong Zhou is sitting like an ossified Homo Habilis, absorbing pie-charts, theorems, and PowerPoint presentations.  The Chinese come over to America with a no-bullshit, take no prisoners mentality..............and that's why they succeed and flourish within three or four generations, whereas everyone else bitches about "oppression."

Hell yes; the Chinese make better Americans than we do.   In the personal opinion of Yours Truly, Author Constant, we should send fucking carriers to China, Japan, and Korea with one way tickets to the "Land of Opportunity."  The only way to effectively combat de-evolution and the irresponsible over-breeding of the poor and dumb, is to bring in the "yellow folk."  China might pressure them to submit to an oppressive government-enforced reproductive limit, but we'll need them to fuck like porn nymphos in order to reduce the dysgenic tidal wave sweeping over this country.

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 6:08:01 PM   
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I hate to tell you this but the Asians are no less prone to mental illness.  In the crisis center I worked at the percentage of Asians resident patients was the exact same as the percentage of the local population they represented.  Meaning the occurance of mental illness in that population was the same as the population as a whole...there was just less Asians in the area.  Aren't statistics a bitch?  Also the one Japanese exchange student in my highschool only scored about 1000 on his SAT's...while I, the fat lazy American , got a 1450.   Check your facts grasshopper...see us again when you're worthy :-)

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 6:11:39 PM   
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You asked for it, buddy.

http://www.unl.edu/amc/e-exams/e4-amc08/e4-1-8archive/2006-8a/2006-amc8Perfect.shtml

I want you to take a look, and tell me if you perceive a pattern, then, I'd like you to tell me the nature of that pattern.

By the way:  I think that you're one of the few folks on this site with the patience to make it through my fucking "War and Peace" posts.

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 6:31:55 PM   
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Ok, I added up the totals of the Asian students in that page and non-Asians. I then ran I statistical analysis against each group.  Now assuming the Asian children I'm looking at haven't already been genetically assimilated already(1 or more relatives being non-Asian therefore reducing the "Asian influence").  There is a statistical difference of <1% between the number of Asian to non-Asian students.  The statistical difference is not enough to be considered significant. Did I mention I specialized in experimental psyhology and statistical analysis?  Your idea isn't novel...experiments on this exact theory have turned up the same results in controlled samples....more controlled than a bunch of photos of people with perfect scores.   Have anything more conclusive? 

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 6:35:41 PM   
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Tre are you trying to land some asian pussy with this?

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 6:46:55 PM   
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Ok, I added up the totals of the Asian students in that page and non-Asians. I then ran I statistical analysis against each group.  Now assuming the Asian children I'm looking at haven't already been genetically assimilated already(1 or more relatives being non-Asian therefore reducing the "Asian influence").  There is a statistical difference of <1% between the number of Asian to non-Asian students.  The statistical difference is not enough to be considered significant. Did I mention I specialized in experimental psyhology and statistical analysis?  Your idea isn't novel...experiments on this exact theory have turned up the same results in controlled samples....more controlled than a bunch of photos of people with perfect scores.   Have anything more conclusive? 


Rougly 68 to 70 of those students are Asian (Americans), which is a VAST, VAST, VVVVVVAAAAASSSSSST majority.  Now..............despite the predominance of Asians in a FEW urbanized and tiny rural portions of the United States, their numbers are NOWHERE near those of Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics.  For such a small chunk of our population, stating that Asians don't seem over-represented in academic honorary realms like this is a firm refusal to perceive the obvious. 

A fancied up statistical argument might work in any other instance, but not one where common sense runs a blitzkrieg attack all over some fancy, shmancy differential.  I might not possess any college education, but that doesn't prevent my keen working-class acumen from getting that itchy tingle........................and right about now it's saying  "Holy Jeepers, Batman!  It's a vastly over-represented minority!!!"

I've got to go to bed now, but I'm sure you'll have a counter-argument when I log onto my time-waster tomorrow.

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 7:01:04 PM   
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56 non, 65 Asian to be exact.  It's nearly 50/50.  Hints the statistical difference of  >1%.  I'll get back to you sometime with some actual study results.  Like I said, this arguement is based on a page of photos.  One with no way to separate students from fully Asian families from those with as much Asian heritage as my own English heritage, next to nothing.  You want a test based on group composed of a test group of students raised in an Asian family and a test group of non-Asian students....then a control group consisting of a blend of the two in percentages matching the actual population in the country.  Then run the numbers.  That is conclusive evidence.  I accept nothing less. My own calculation was a pathetic little example composed in 10 minutes.   

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 7:45:13 PM   
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quote:

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56 non, 65 Asian to be exact.  It's nearly 50/50.  Hints the statistical difference of  >1%.  I'll get back to you sometime with some actual study results.  Like I said, this arguement is based on a page of photos.  One with no way to separate students from fully Asian families from those with as much Asian heritage as my own English heritage, next to nothing.  You want a test based on group composed of a test group of students raised in an Asian family and a test group of non-Asian students....then a control group consisting of a blend of the two in percentages matching the actual population in the country.  Then run the numbers.  That is conclusive evidence.  I accept nothing less. My own calculation was a pathetic little example composed in 10 minutes.   

damn, anybody else find that hot? say it again, but slower... and a little to the left.

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 7:56:31 PM   
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hmmm... I must admit I didn't read all of your thread, because, it's just so long, and I got hooked in with the Mantopia one...

But, I will say, you should talk to a friend of mine in Malden, MA, as well as a couple of Chinese friends of mine...

Now, I'm not someone who likes to generalize, but the general "trend" there is that Asian (I beleive predominantly Chinese) residents of that Boston neighborhood have bought up houses, ripped up the grass to replace with parking lots so that they can fill their homes with too many tenants (way over the city zoning limits), pick through the trash/making a mess of the streets, push and shove everyone on the subway, just generally rude neighbors -- again, this is in general terms.

Yes, I think they send their children to college in larger numbers, some due to the pyramid scheme/lottery they pool in to buy up said homes, and make more money in immoral ways (Tenants in every room of the house, including the kitchen... I am not lying).  Sending your children can not be a deciding factor on if they make good "Americans" or not.

I'm not saying this is the norm, I have a few Chinese/Chinese-American friends, and their families are not like I descirbed above, but, it is quite an alarming trend in Boston.

Just my 2 cents.

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 8:05:08 PM   
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damn, anybody else find that hot? say it again, but slower... and a little to the left.


Hmm, distribution function...quartile deviation...quantitative distribution....standard error of the mean....f(y/x)=(f(x/y)f(y))/(f(x/y)f(y)dy)....standard deviation :-)

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 8:07:11 PM   
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I will say this in the Asian immigrant favor, they are hard workers and are very determined.

My Chinese friends, I beleive, come from a different group than most of the ruder immigrants in the city of Boston.

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 8:14:40 PM   
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I guess my real issue is generalizing... assuming Chinese are "better" Americans... it's kind of silly to me when you look at the flip side of the issue

No one race is better than the other IMHO.

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 8:19:44 PM   
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I have to agree with my pet, and with what the OP says in part.....yes the Chinese and other "Asians" (loosely translated into Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Indians) have an excellent work ethic in the sense like described by Max Weber (although he refers to the spirit of capitalism brought by Protestants, it can be applied to other ethnic/social/religious groups)....the culture they bring with them is that in order to be successful, that learning is highly valuable asset in their society. I believe Americans stopped caring about University education for advancement reasons long ago....hence a drop in that in my opinion....which is a shame (again generalizing here big time).

Then I do not think Chinese Americans are "better" or the preferred immigrant base needed to revitalize American society...furthermore, in the case of Hispanics (generalizing but the vast majority of the Hispanics in the US are of Mexican origin) drop out of school and help support their families; even when they are doing well, they send whatever they have left over back home to support their extended family (read as cousins, grandmother, uncles, aunts, etc, etc)....this means they are content owning their own home someday and having a job...so it might take more than a generation for wealth creation to be a priority....and it depends on the Latino immigrant as in some Latin American countries a college education is highly, highly valued.
anyways.... no one is better than the other, its all about the individual.

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 8:23:06 PM   
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Drop out rate....

http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/tables/1_Table_1.htm

Sucess
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_American

Possibly it's because "they can live a month on a hand full of rice?"...Line from some insensitive WWII flick...

Anywhooo, sub susie is actually Chinese and, hold on to your hats, but she's an engineer!!!! Go figure!!!
Her family is a total "Only in America" success story...Their family has accomplished more in forty years than all of The Domiguy's family combined and we stepped off of the deck of the Mayflower!!!

That's the wonderful thing about "The Great Experiment."...In 2042 when all of us crackerzz are finally no longer the majority...It's up to the Asian Americans to pull this land of ours/theirs to glory!!!!..... Chinese fortune cookie says: (which is an American novelty) "Get yoo' dumb white kids in to a twwade schooool...no woom for you at top! no wucky numbers fo' you...Go home!"

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 8:30:10 PM   
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lol, thank you for crushing out crackery image of the future.  I'm not completely sure but a believe we whities are actually a minority now...if you combine everyone else together.  If we aren't then it was damn close.  I'll find out.  Time to find another sparcely populated land to flood....hmm, Antarctica is a little nippy but I think it may work.

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 8:40:47 PM   
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I heard or read that "my proud pasty brothers and sista's" will be in the minority right around 2040...Though "whitey" will still be the largest ethnic group with Hispanics right behind.

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/16/2007 8:43:05 PM   
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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/17/2007 1:49:23 PM   
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Drop out rate....

http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/tables/1_Table_1.htm

Sucess
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_American

Possibly it's because "they can live a month on a hand full of rice?"...Line from some insensitive WWII flick...

Anywhooo, sub susie is actually Chinese and, hold on to your hats, but she's an engineer!!!! Go figure!!!
Her family is a total "Only in America" success story...Their family has accomplished more in forty years than all of The Domiguy's family combined and we stepped off of the deck of the Mayflower!!!

That's the wonderful thing about "The Great Experiment."...In 2042 when all of us crackerzz are finally no longer the majority...It's up to the Asian Americans to pull this land of ours/theirs to glory!!!!..... Chinese fortune cookie says: (which is an American novelty) "Get yoo' dumb white kids in to a twwade schooool...no woom for you at top! no wucky numbers fo' you...Go home!"


LOL.

    That's why I've decided to latch into the Asian gene-pool and find myself a nice, Chinese-American nuclear engineer to bear my progeny.  Besides, alot of them look hotter for way longer than your average, "get pregnant and let yourself go to seed" white, black, and Latin broad.

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/17/2007 3:48:03 PM   
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~fast reply~

Wow... isn't this kind of nasty/narrow-minded, pretty much bordering on racist comment from TreSwank?

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"get pregnant and let yourself go to seed" white, black, and Latin broad."


I never know whether to take TreSwank seriously or not?

I hope he's joking.

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RE: The Chinese Make Better Americans (Another Long Tre... - 2/18/2007 4:43:41 PM   
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Honey - this one is goes in both directions.  Stained wife-beaters and beer bellies are also a little less than desirable.

But, I do tend to believe that about 35% of American women get engaged and throw "I Can Finally Get Fat Now that I'm Hitched and the Hubby Has to Love Me No Matter What!" parties.

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