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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 3:53:34 PM   
kate


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Status: offline 		sexual punishment only works on people who don't like sex, lol...... but seriously.... the duct tape thing would be horrible for me.....tha is something that would wrk the first time.... or a ball gag for a very long period of time while she does her around the house stuff..... stops her from making smart ass comments, but won't make her skin break out from the glue on the tape

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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 4:04:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sir has told me, “Being a smart ass, will get you an ass that smarts.”, but I’m on of those who you could give my most favorite thing, tell me it’s a punishment, and I won’t like it.

An idea I have for a story: When the sub says something she should not have, her Dom gags her with a gag covered in some type of hot sauce. He gently rubs her throat to make her swallow so her tongue has to touch it.

Not that I want that done to me.....could be why I’m pretty good at holding my tongue.

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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 4:42:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		here's a real new idea...sit the submissive down and have a talk with her about how that Master found her behaviour unacceptable. If she continues to disrespect him, then in my opinion, she doesnt' truly want to submit.

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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 4:44:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose having an adult conversation and finding out why she felt so upset that she answered in that manner is not appropriate. Because unless you get to the root of the problem, and believe me adults who like and respect each other do not put each other down, it will just recur with added resentment until the end of the relationship.

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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 4:50:52 PM   
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Why reward her bad behavior by sexualizing punishment? Is there a reason for that? Perhaps in this sub's case it would not be a reward, but from what I have read one can create a pain slut SAM by giving sexual punishments... it would seem to reinforce disrespectful behavior, not curb it... perhaps I just do not get it?


I've never heard of that? Can a person with no maschocistic tendancies be turned into someone with them through the use of punishment? I would imagine it would take some serious effort and time for that transition or is it common?

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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 5:39:49 PM   
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Why reward her bad behavior by sexualizing punishment? Is there a reason for that? Perhaps in this sub's case it would not be a reward, but from what I have read one can create a pain slut SAM by giving sexual punishments... it would seem to reinforce disrespectful behavior, not curb it... perhaps I just do not get it?


I've never heard of that? Can a person with no maschocistic tendancies be turned into someone with them through the use of punishment? I would imagine it would take some serious effort and time for that transition or is it common?


I do not think personally that it is always possible, but someone can learn to associate pain with pleasure in a Pavlovian sense. I have heard of masochists being created this way. Basically arousing someone and then inflicting pain on them can create a connection between pleasure and pain. To me a "sexual" punishment designed to create arousal from pain is indeed associating an arousal state with pain.

My Daddy's first submissive was into acting out to get pain, it was how her former dominant trained her. She was a SAM, she learned that acting out got her a fix, and this was something my Daddy refused to give her when she misbehaved. Had her former dominant not trained this into her she may have learned a different approach to getting a pain fix, but anger was a core component of her arousal. It might have been inate to her, but from what she told him he tended to think it had been trained into her. Who knows.

I am sure that it does not happen to everyone, but it certainly can. We are complex beings, but the framework of our mind tends to associate one thing with other things.. it is how we understand our universe.

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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 5:43:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		When i've been out of line with my mouth, Master has always just given me that look, and used that tone of voice and said "watch your mouth"  Generally giving me another chance to speak appropriately, drop an attitude, not cuss, ect.  It usually stops me cold and has me re thinking what next comes out of my mouth.  i've never pushed on from there - so i guess it works.

i think the whole smart ass thing really depends on intent.  Is it ment for disrespect, is it some one getting carried away, some one venting inappropriately, some one being silly, ect.  With us, its a major factor in how Master responds.


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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 5:46:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is interesting, I always assumed that behaviour modification of that depth would take a very long time. Yes I am aware of the Pavlov response lol but he worked for years to achieve it which is why the fact that a Dom could create a masochist out of someone without that innate tendancy surprises me.

I'm not into pain play so it makes me struggle a bit to comprehend the ease with which this is suggested, thats all.

Thanks for responding juliaoceania.

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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 5:48:49 PM   
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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 5:50:15 PM   
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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 5:53:18 PM   
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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 5:59:14 PM   
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A clothespin on the tongue connected to twine with a clothespin on the other end on the clit. The twine should make the sub hold her head down to ease the tension. You should often tell her to look you in the eye when you speak to her.

WHOA! You don't F around!

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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 6:00:26 PM   
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Just checking your Pavlov theory.


Ah well what can I say.. I am well trained *weg*.



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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 6:08:49 PM   
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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 6:09:47 PM   
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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 6:13:10 PM   
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quote:

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A clothespin on the tongue connected to twine with a clothespin on the other end on the clit. The twine should make the sub hold her head down to ease the tension. You should often tell her to look you in the eye when you speak to her.

WHOA! You don't F around!


I was beginning to think that either I was the only one who could see the post or it was just too passive for consideration.
 
Slurp!

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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 6:15:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cjenny

That is interesting, I always assumed that behaviour modification of that depth would take a very long time. Yes I am aware of the Pavlov response lol but he worked for years to achieve it which is why the fact that a Dom could create a masochist out of someone without that innate tendancy surprises me.

I'm not into pain play so it makes me struggle a bit to comprehend the ease with which this is suggested, thats all.

Thanks for responding juliaoceania.


I have no idea how easy it would be, I am inately masochistic, I did not mean to infer that it was easy, because frankly I have no clue.

I will say this, I assumed in the OP that the submissive in question was already somewhat masochistic because I tend to  view the world through my own eyes.. I am a masochist and a sub, I forget that not everyone is

I also know it is possible to physically punish a masochist, but the idea of sexual pain as punishment just escapes me as punishment. I cannot fathom it...lol

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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 6:20:52 PM   
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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 7:45:38 PM   
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RE: penance ideas for smartass f sub - 2/17/2007 8:05:23 PM   
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What is a f sub lol


What FTroll is looking for, I would imagine. 

(oops, does that classify as being as a smartass?)




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