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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

So, you see the essential difference between the intention of a PERMANENT Navy, and an Army which only exists for a limited period, as needed per a Congressional Declaration of War.

Constitutional scholars are in debate over this.

Not really. Constitutional Scholars are pretty much in agreement it says what it says. The authors took their time and wrote exactly what they meant.

WEASELS who don't like what the Constitution clearly says pretend there is any debate.

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ORIGINAL: gandalf0297

I really hate to tell you this dudes.It's already started.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

"So the 113 combat missions that US Presidents sent our armed forces on without approval of congress were all unconstitutional?"

Article 1 Section 8, reserves Declarations of War to the Congress. I wonder where the money came from for those expeditions, without allocations from Congress?

Not only Unconstitutional, Fraudulent, due to the use of monies apportioned for other purposes being diverted by The Executive for combat and planning WITHOUT oversight, approval, or funding by Congress.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

"So the 113 combat missions that US Presidents sent our armed forces on without approval of congress were all unconstitutional?"

Article 1 Section 8, reserves Declarations of War to the Congress. I wonder where the money came from for those expeditions, without allocations from Congress?

Not only Unconstitutional, Fraudulent, due to the use of monies apportioned for other purposes being diverted by The Executive for combat and planning WITHOUT oversight, approval, or funding by Congress.

Dont quote me on this, but I think the extra money comes from just padding on the national debt. Plus the Pentagon budget is about $400 billion a year. I am sure they can scrape up a few billion for some extracurricular activities. Congress can pull the funding, but they have never done that before and the consequences for pulling out the rug may put the country in even greater danger than letting the war play out.

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A US soldier was killed Tuesday in fighting in the volatile Anbar province, the military said.

The soldier assigned to Multi-National Force - West was killed while conducting combat operations in the insurgent stronghold west of Baghdad, according to a statement.

Another American soldier assigned to the Multi-National Division died Sunday of a non-combat cause, the military said Tuesday in a separate statement. It did not provide more details.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

"So the 113 combat missions that US Presidents sent our armed forces on without approval of congress were all unconstitutional?"

Article 1 Section 8, reserves Declarations of War to the Congress. I wonder where the money came from for those expeditions, without allocations from Congress?

Not only Unconstitutional, Fraudulent, due to the use of monies apportioned for other purposes being diverted by The Executive for combat and planning WITHOUT oversight, approval, or funding by Congress.

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"The President, however, is just as clearly made the Commander in Chief of all of the armed forces, in Article 2, Section 2."

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"In this role, the President has the ability to defend the nation or to take military action without involving the Congress directly, and the President's role as "C-in-C" is often part of the reason for that. "

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The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

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GONZALES: There was not a war declaration, either in connection with Al Qaida or in Iraq. It was an authorization to use military force. I only want to clarify that, because there are implications. Obviously, when you talk about a war declaration, you're possibly talking about affecting treaties, diplomatic relations. And so there is a distinction in law and in practice. And we're not talking about a war declaration. This is an authorization only to use military force.

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Yeah, but after the whole fraud with Iraq, who really believes *anything* the Bush Administration says?

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This is shameful....I despise the backwards regime in Tehran, and if up to me to play God, the Shah would be right back there....however what the US is doing in promoting a war against Iran is shameful and will finish destroying what little credibility the United States has as a power in the world....how can Bush seeing the chaos and destruction brought by his doing in Iraq have the face, the shamelesness to promote another war for American soldiers to die (not even for a fair cause) and for innocent Iranians who just want to live their life in peace....

The United States has strayed too far from the founding father's original plan...it might be good for Bush to re-read their views and understand what the United States was all about.

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Iran may not be at peace much longer whether the US is involved or not. Israel has stated that they will not allow Iran to possess nuclear weapons and will take pre-emptive strikes if Iran tests a nuclear device.

Iran's population is also a question mark. 70% of the population is under age 30. And most of the youth is not all that happy with the extremist government currently in power. In fact, some well placed bombs combined with an uprising could crash the government and spark revolution. That would be a risky strategy to take, but it is something that could possibly happen 10-20 years down the road as the younger generation begins to move into power.

Ahmadinejad is insane in my opinion. This is a guy that has said his ultimate goal is the destruction of Israel. And he claims the Holocaust is a jewish conspiracy and never occured. I dont trust the guy and I do think he will start a war one way or another. The Supreme Leader of Iran also stated that the destruction of Israel will occur. You can bash Israel all you want, but when the leaders of another country are developing nukes and talking about their destruction...I can't blame Israel for being concerned.

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Yeah, but after the whole fraud with Iraq, who really believes *anything* the Bush Administration says?

Im more interested in seeing the evidence before making judgement.

But I doubt there will be war right off the bat. First there will be sanctions. Then an embarrgo. By then we hope Ahmadinejad gets the idea to knock it off before he starts a war.
The UN Security Council is already angry at him for not following through with the IAEA's requirements. And some of his opponents in his country are starting to give him some heat.

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When was the last time Iran started a war?

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When was the last time the USA or Israel started a war?

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Of course everyone is forgetting that Iran may shoot first. In that case, the issue is moot. Some say that Iran has already shot first.

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Iran may not be at peace much longer whether the US is involved or not. Israel has stated that they will not allow Iran to possess nuclear weapons and will take pre-emptive strikes if Iran tests a nuclear device.

Iran's population is also a question mark. 70% of the population is under age 30. And most of the youth is not all that happy with the extremist government currently in power. In fact, some well placed bombs combined with an uprising could crash the government and spark revolution. That would be a risky strategy to take, but it is something that could possibly happen 10-20 years down the road as the younger generation begins to move into power.

Ahmadinejad is insane in my opinion. This is a guy that has said his ultimate goal is the destruction of Israel. And he claims the Holocaust is a jewish conspiracy and never occured. I dont trust the guy and I do think he will start a war one way or another. The Supreme Leader of Iran also stated that the destruction of Israel will occur. You can bash Israel all you want, but when the leaders of another country are developing nukes and talking about their destruction...I can't blame Israel for being concerned.

Article I. - The Legislative Branch

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

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Article II. - The Executive Branch

Section 1 - The President

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors,

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The Executive powers of declaring war and issuing letters of marquee and reprisal are some of the few executive powers expressly reserved to the Congress.

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All others not enumerated for the Congress, including foreign policy are powers that the President has by the inherent right of the executive power vested in him.