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Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 9:58:49 AM   
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Im en route to purchase a money pit. ERR I mean a house.

I want to pick your brain on the aspects of it. The good the bad, and the ugly.

What the, bank, realitor, attorney WONT tell me.

Unleash you learning episode.

PS: I would kill for a riverfront home that I have a chance at. I will have a spare bedroom too.
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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 10:27:25 AM   
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Get the house inspected by a professional. I've known a number of people who didn't who found themselves stuck with a bunch of repairs that an inspector would have caught before closing.

After that go visit the house without the realtor at different times of the day and night and on the weekends. If the neighbors are unpleasant for some reason or the house is under an airport approach pattern or some such you want to know this before closing.

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 10:30:39 AM   
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i agree a home inspection is the only way to go ,,might cost a couple of hundred but well worth it in the long run

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 10:41:40 AM   
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Get the house inspected by a professional. I've known a number of people who didn't who found themselves stuck with a bunch of repairs that an inspector would have caught before closing.

After that go visit the house without the realtor at different times of the day and night and on the weekends. If the neighbors are unpleasant for some reason or the house is under an airport approach pattern or some such you want to know this before closing.


Don't use a home inspector that the realtor suggests, use an impartial one. Go thru the house with him, even down into the crawl space if you have one.
Visiting the home during different times of day is a fantastic suggestion and one that I will remember!
I went to the local police and asked about the neighborhood, any problems that recur such as drugs or out of control teens ick lol.
If you are looking for something you assume you will sell (which most houses are, few are purchased forevah) then make sure the school system is good, that makes a home sell easier.

Remember too, even if you fall in love with the perfect house it isn't perfect if you can't sell it later.

Be aggressive about non-cosmetic issues, the cosmetic ones don't matter but the plumbing does.

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 10:52:12 AM   
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The hardest part about buying a home is not picking out the right one...but dealing with the bank. Once you get to that stage, you'll know what I mean.

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 11:02:34 AM   
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By all means get a home inspection. I am a licensed home inspector and I have found many homes that look nice; but have serious structural flaws, mold, rodent infestations...etc. At least with an inspection, you know what you are buying and can negociate the price, for fixing the flaws. My standard fee is only $275.00 for an inspection and I am sure most parts of the country run in that price range.  

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 11:05:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cjenny

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Get the house inspected by a professional. I've known a number of people who didn't who found themselves stuck with a bunch of repairs that an inspector would have caught before closing.

After that go visit the house without the realtor at different times of the day and night and on the weekends. If the neighbors are unpleasant for some reason or the house is under an airport approach pattern or some such you want to know this before closing.


Don't use a home inspector that the realtor suggests, use an impartial one. Go thru the house with him, even down into the crawl space if you have one.
Visiting the home during different times of day is a fantastic suggestion and one that I will remember!
I went to the local police and asked about the neighborhood, any problems that recur such as drugs or out of control teens ick lol.
If you are looking for something you assume you will sell (which most houses are, few are purchased forevah) then make sure the school system is good, that makes a home sell easier.

Remember too, even if you fall in love with the perfect house it isn't perfect if you can't sell it later.

Be aggressive about non-cosmetic issues, the cosmetic ones don't matter but the plumbing does.


"Schools" is a tough one.
Ever hear any town or city say; "Yup, we have BAD schools!"
Also ask if you can spend 24 hours in the house prior to signing papers.

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 11:05:41 AM   
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The hardest part about buying a home is not picking out the right one...but dealing with the bank. Once you get to that stage, you'll know what I mean.


Ditto!

And yes, unless you are a skilled building contractor yourself.........an impartial home inspection can be priceless.


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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 11:18:55 AM   
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Yes; schools and neighborhoods are important too. Check them out good and since you are looking at a riverfront. Check FEMA flood maps and the flood history of the area. All flood info is on FEMA'S website. However, a good inspector should be able to give you that info.

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 11:19:37 AM   
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Loan officers/originators, realtors, and attorneys are like any other professionals in life. Some possess high skill levels and integrity, while others do not. It never hurts to ask your peers who have made similar transactions with success, for referrals.

Also, while it may be difficult, try to keep your emotions in-check. Being overly anxious to buy often clouds our vision... which in turn may lead to making poor choices.

Is the seller a private party?

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 11:46:18 AM   
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Ok- good- good.  I have the mortgage lady that KNOWs programs for disabled. I met with her today. I picked out an attorny for closing- the cheap one is $450, $700 for the better title insurance. I picked out the realtor- known her 20 years.

The county has $3500.00 to throw in for closing costs.

Price of this place is $35k.

Needs 10-12k  to make it nice. This from my brother.

I will need 5% down.

I have 12k mattress money. this can do the repairs.

5% of 35k is....under 2k.  meanwhile the neighbor wants easement for his parking- he offerred 5k. I said no way. $500 a year. [to defray my water and sewer bill]  people fist fight over parking spaces when it snows in that town. so off street parking is prime.

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 2:03:28 PM   
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If you can't ask your Realtor for all this information then you have the wrong Realtor. That's what we get paid for - to know all the tricks and ins and outs of properties and transactions. Get a home warranty. Get an inspection (not just a home inspection but also a pest inspection). Get insurance rates for neighborhoods you're interested in. Pick up crime reports. Get reports from the area schools. Talk to neighbors, even if you don't live there. As your Realtor when was the home sold last and for what. Get the tax value and find out when the next valuation will be. Find out what similar homes in the neighborhood have sold for. Find out if the area is prone to toxic mold (which is NOT the same as other sorts of mold an inspector will find so don't let that freak you out) or radon. Find out if the house (if it's older) has asbestos. Set your cost of repair contingency as low as the seller will possibly allow (I typically try for $1,000). If you have any other questions, feel free to message me. It's what I do for a living.

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 2:31:18 PM   
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My first suggestion would be a good qualified Inspector one willing to provide references.

Second would be to ask for a home warranty, good for a year, and covers major repairs at the cost of a deductible.

Third, where do you live that riverfront houses cost 35k?

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 2:32:53 PM   
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quote:

PS: I would kill for a riverfront home that I have a chance at


Be sure to view the home during a flood then. Even if it's on the high side of the river the bank can wash away.

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 2:35:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Ok- good- good.  I have the mortgage lady that KNOWs programs for disabled. I met with her today. I picked out an attorny for closing- the cheap one is $450, $700 for the better title insurance. I picked out the realtor- known her 20 years.

The county has $3500.00 to throw in for closing costs.

Price of this place is $35k.

Needs 10-12k  to make it nice. This from my brother.

I will need 5% down.

I have 12k mattress money. this can do the repairs.

5% of 35k is....under 2k.  meanwhile the neighbor wants easement for his parking- he offerred 5k. I said no way. $500 a year. [to defray my water and sewer bill]  people fist fight over parking spaces when it snows in that town. so off street parking is prime.



On the neighborhood- Im familliar with it.  One could buy a home 40k, thats fine. But it is not a town, where one would spend 80k, 100k.

The schools are medicore.

Funding has been approved for a riverfront ampitheator- sorta like the rose bowl in LA- but smaller.

There is a flood wall- and a quarterly assement tagged to water and sewer- to maintain this flood wall. if it breaks- the whole valley will go. i lived in this same block when we had the blizzard of the century.  teh power company wont cut power to there- since there is a pumping system. therefore- my current pricey zip code looses power before....

One hesitation. while teh 3rd ward has always been desireable, lately it looks spotty.  a few houses dumped- a few immaculate.

we have no gangs no graphiit no drive by shootings.   -BUT we also have a dismal job base.

i just got back from getting a bunch of boxes from wine store. i also went to the one bank- as they need to see an account where the cash=[@ 2k] has been there 3 mos.  so i have that. 

if one spends over 40k in that zip code- then chances of resale are ----unlikely.

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 3:17:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Im en route to purchase a money pit. ERR I mean a house.

I want to pick your brain on the aspects of it. The good the bad, and the ugly.

What the, bank, realitor, attorney WONT tell me.

Unleash you learning episode.

PS: I would kill for a riverfront home that I have a chance at. I will have a spare bedroom too.


Shrewd is the key word here my friend. I own four homes{outright} and I got every one of them by being unabashed and intuitively smart.

The best piece of advice I can offer you is to make friends with the realtors but don't listen to them. Use them as a tool to find the houses but don't listen to their strategy and good manners. It's a buyers market in many places and you can come in real LOW sometimes and pick something up for much cheaper than what these realtors might ever think.

The last house I purchased, a realtor told me that my low ball offers would insult the sellers and give me a bad reputation with other realtors.... I politely disregarded her advice and told her to put the offer in any way. It turned out that the buyers {a brother and sister} were a bunch of dopeheads that just inherited the house from their mother that passed away. All they wanted was the money so they could go out and party and buy more crack. I came with an offer twenty percent below what most folks would have offered - They didn't even counter back!!  They took the money!!!

After the sale was over I took the realtor out to dinner, patted her on the back and told her what a wonderful job she had done. We're friends. But had I listened to her advice....I mighta been 25 -35 k poorer. Remember.... you can never fully know what the seller’s situation is.....so come in REAL low and you might just surprise yourself. Sure you’re gonna make a few people mad….and some will even think you’re a cheapskate…. But who the hell cares?  Getting the house for as cheap as possible is your main objective.

I'd tell ya to be very patient and relaxed..... In today’s market were the foreclosure rate is starting to skyrocket, there's many good deals on the horizon my friend.

The other advice given to you here is very solid. If you buy something with a rotten foundation you could be in trouble


Good luck.



- R


PS - Don't let anyone tell you that my approach with the realators and low offers doesn't work; because I learned it from someone very close to me in San Francisco who owns {outright} 30 - 35 properties that way 

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 3:45:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cjenny

Don't use a home inspector that the realtor suggests, use an impartial one. Go thru the house with him, even down into the crawl space if you have one.
Visiting the home during different times of day is a fantastic suggestion and one that I will remember!
I went to the local police and asked about the neighborhood, any problems that recur such as drugs or out of control teens ick lol.
If you are looking for something you assume you will sell (which most houses are, few are purchased forevah) then make sure the school system is good, that makes a home sell easier.

Remember too, even if you fall in love with the perfect house it isn't perfect if you can't sell it later.

Be aggressive about non-cosmetic issues, the cosmetic ones don't matter but the plumbing does.


You are absolutely right about finding an impartial inspector!!!  The last house we bought, we used an inspector recommended by the realtor.  He missed some things that cost us big time.  Even the neighbors knew more than he did.  (I believe someone made a suggestion reguarding this as well.)  One of the neighbors told me that the gutter on the front of the house had already come off once and the single male living there previously was known for making haphazard repairs.  I brought it up to the inspector (who was still there) and he claimed it was no big deal.  I could see a dent in it from the ground, even though it was a two story house.  I should have stuck to my guns.  In less than a year the gutter broke loose and almost smashed one of the new windows we had put in.  I called the inspector and he actually laughed about it!  Wasn't laughing after I talked to a lawyer......
Mistress Scarlet

Edited to add:  Check the credentials on the inspector.  In this area, almost anyone can call themselves a home inspector and there's no law against it.

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 3:53:59 PM   
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This is a good reason to use an impartial inspector that is certified by ASHI(American Association of Home Inspectors).
I; myself have bought some really run-down houses; but that is what I was looking for. I like to flip a house a year. However I have been in construction all my life, so I know what to look for. If I find a cream-puff, I will keep it and rent it for a few years. I have bought houses way below market, that had serious structural flaws, but most everything can be fixed, if you know what you are getting into.
Also, using a realtor in most cases is a waste of your money. I have never used one to buy or sell. They just get a commission on things that can be done by you. Contact a title company and they can set-up everything and back themselves.


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ORIGINAL: MstrssScarlet

quote:

ORIGINAL: cjenny

Don't use a home inspector that the realtor suggests, use an impartial one. Go thru the house with him, even down into the crawl space if you have one.
Visiting the home during different times of day is a fantastic suggestion and one that I will remember!
I went to the local police and asked about the neighborhood, any problems that recur such as drugs or out of control teens ick lol.
If you are looking for something you assume you will sell (which most houses are, few are purchased forevah) then make sure the school system is good, that makes a home sell easier.

Remember too, even if you fall in love with the perfect house it isn't perfect if you can't sell it later.

Be aggressive about non-cosmetic issues, the cosmetic ones don't matter but the plumbing does.


You are absolutely right about finding an impartial inspector!!!  The last house we bought, we used an inspector recommended by the realtor.  He missed some things that cost us big time.  Even the neighbors knew more than he did.  (I believe someone made a suggestion reguarding this as well.)  One of the neighbors told me that the gutter on the front of the house had already come off once and the single male living there previously was known for making haphazard repairs.  I brought it up to the inspector (who was still there) and he claimed it was no big deal.  I could see a dent in it from the ground, even though it was a two story house.  I should have stuck to my guns.  In less than a year the gutter broke loose and almost smashed one of the new windows we had put in.  I called the inspector and he actually laughed about it!  Wasn't laughing after I talked to a lawyer......
Mistress Scarlet

Edited to add:  Check the credentials on the inspector.  In this area, almost anyone can call themselves a home inspector and there's no law against it.


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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 4:08:02 PM   
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I do not know if this has been said,  but hire a property assessment officer to assess fair market value (FMV).  It will give you a place to start when you start negotiating, a key component to the home purchase process.  You should be able to find them at your city hall in the Property Standards office.  If they will not do it hire an independent one.

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RE: Home purchase-mistakes and shrewd moves - 2/21/2007 4:14:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Im en route to purchase a money pit. ERR I mean a house.

I want to pick your brain on the aspects of it. The good the bad, and the ugly.

What the, bank, realitor, attorney WONT tell me.

Unleash you learning episode.

PS: I would kill for a riverfront home that I have a chance at. I will have a spare bedroom too.


Shrewd is the key word here my friend. I own four homes{outright} and I got every one of them by being unabashed and intuitively smart.

The best piece of advice I can offer you is to make friends with the realtors but don't listen to them. Use them as a tool to find the houses but don't listen to their strategy and good manners. It's a buyers market in many places and you can come in real LOW sometimes and pick something up for much cheaper than what these realtors might ever think.

The last house I purchased, a realtor told me that my low ball offers would insult the sellers and give me a bad reputation with other realtors.... I politely disregarded her advice and told her to put the offer in any way. It turned out that the buyers {a brother and sister} were a bunch of dopeheads that just inherited the house from their mother that passed away. All they wanted was the money so they could go out and party and buy more crack. I came with an offer twenty percent below what most folks would have offered - They didn't even counter back!!  They took the money!!!

After the sale was over I took the realtor out to dinner, patted her on the back and told her what a wonderful job she had done. We're friends. But had I listened to her advice....I mighta been 25 -35 k poorer. Remember.... you can never fully know what the seller’s situation is.....so come in REAL low and you might just surprise yourself. Sure you’re gonna make a few people mad….and some will even think you’re a cheapskate…. But who the hell cares?  Getting the house for as cheap as possible is your main objective.

I'd tell ya to be very patient and relaxed..... In today’s market were the foreclosure rate is starting to skyrocket, there's many good deals on the horizon my friend.

The other advice given to you here is very solid. If you buy something with a rotten foundation you could be in trouble


Good luck.



- R


PS - Don't let anyone tell you that my approach with the realators and low offers doesn't work; because I learned it from someone very close to me in San Francisco who owns {outright} 30 - 35 properties that way 


You couldnt be more on the ball. Realtors work for you, but sometimes you have to force them. I made a similar lowball offer on a property and my realtor said he would be offended, I told him make the offer or I'd find someone who would. After the offer was accepted He said he couldnt believe it, But I saved over 20k. Many times this is bcause the listing isnt theirs, and they're sharing the commision. The more money in the deal the bigger the split.

Also asking the neighbors is critical, they often know an imense amout about the property. 

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