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RE: English in America - 2/23/2007 7:41:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JerseyKrissi72

         Learn to speak Spanish it's a beautiful language- I am doin well with my Spanglish lol...Most countries have to learn 3 diff'rent languages...


So where do you draw the line of having to learn EVERY immagrant's language so they can live comfortably in America without having to intigrate?

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RE: English in America - 2/23/2007 1:42:54 PM   
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and which dialect of American English would be the standardized and required norm for all immigrants to learn upon taking the citizenship test? 

i'm not trying to be funny - very serious about this since the US has many different dialects to its Americanized English from southern to ebonics to slang to the Bostonian to Midwestern - get my point? merely wondering do you want them to speak the king's English (from our mother country Great Britian) or do you want them to learn the proper sentence structure of American English? and if so, then we better begin within our own backyard and re-teach English to our citizens again. with our English incorporating bits and pieces as part of the language it'll be hard for any immigrant to understand sometimes that bad means good or bad actually means bad (terrible).

the reason i say this because i was a volunteer teaching Spanish-speaking immigrants Engligh and most had a hard time understanding our slang words such as awesome, radical, cool, just to name a few. oh you might think it's funny however try looking at this from their pov.  then perhaps you would understand more clearly how difficult it is to learn our Americanized English.

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so when you travel to different parts of the country you are completely confused and cannot understand what people are saying?    hell I even understand ebonics

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RE: English in America - 2/23/2007 2:12:35 PM   
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As a former immigrant who became a citizen whose main language was not English, I do feel in order to become a citizen of this or any other country that you can communicate the language of that country both written and verbal on at least a basic level.

If a person wants to have the rights of a citizen they need to accept the other responsibilities and duties of a citizen and part of that requires the English language. It should not be the taxpayer’s expense to make a person who is a citizen life easier for them. It takes many years to become a citizen, plenty enough time to learn the language on at least a basic level.

People will learn a language based on necessity. If they can get away with not many will not try, but if needed to survive or stay someplace a new language is not too hard to learn. It was my experience that people will bend over backward and be patient in helping a person and there are many ways to learn English that are already in place. Personally I think we do a disservice to immigrants by catering down to them in this way.

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RE: English in America - 2/23/2007 5:33:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl
i do take offense however requiring someone who wants a business/commerce license to speak fluent English. how would you, mr politican, determine what is "fluent English" because one person's definition of "fluent" will not be the same as another's. and more than likely it would be challenged in the court system for years until someone expertly decides your definition of "fluent" the defining test to use for any foreign-speaking person wishing to do business here in the US.


Well, while i do have a degree in Political Science, i fear i could never actually be a politician... no charisma whatsoever Consequently, i also can't claim to be qualified to establish standards for language fluency. However, we have a multi-billion-dollar industry dedicated to standardized academic testing, and i'm sure they could come up with something.

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sounds like closet homophobia rearing it's ugly head to me - next you'll probably support a proposal circulating around Congress now - national ID cards (screw using the DLs since anyone including immigrants can get one forged) in ensure that we are all natural born and loyal Americans citizens.


Homophobia? Unless you meant to write xenophobia, you're gonna have to explain that one to me.

i'm actually a fairly fringe libertarian, not by any means a jingoist nor a fan of the fear-justified surveillance state. However, i believe that there are some essentials that a nation needs in order to function efficiently. Transportation infrastructure, courts and a system of enforcing contracts and a relatively basic set of laws, and a common language. i can't comprehend moving to a place where i didn't speak the language- i didn't even like spending a DAY in France or Portugal. My great-grandparents learned English, modern-day immigrants can do so as well.

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RE: English in America - 2/23/2007 6:09:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: toservez

As a former immigrant who became a citizen whose main language was not English, I do feel in order to become a citizen of this or any other country that you can communicate the language of that country both written and verbal on at least a basic level.

If a person wants to have the rights of a citizen they need to accept the other responsibilities and duties of a citizen and part of that requires the English language. It should not be the taxpayer’s expense to make a person who is a citizen life easier for them. It takes many years to become a citizen, plenty enough time to learn the language on at least a basic level.

People will learn a language based on necessity. If they can get away with not many will not try, but if needed to survive or stay someplace a new language is not too hard to learn. It was my experience that people will bend over backward and be patient in helping a person and there are many ways to learn English that are already in place. Personally I think we do a disservice to immigrants by catering down to them in this way.


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RE: English in America - 2/23/2007 6:25:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

should it be a requirement for citizenship in America to be able to speak, read, write and understand English?

i had thought that this was already a requirement, but cannot find a reference to it.

this is not to say that people who speak other languages have to give up those languages, but i think that we should all be able to understand each other more than we currently do.


Ability to speak, read and write in English is a requirement for obtaining US citizenship along with basic knowledge of the US government and history. I would estimate the necessary level for passing the language test at the 4-5th grade, one for passing the civics test at the high school level.

From www.uscis.gov
Naturalization is the process by which U.S. citizenship is conferred upon a foreign citizen or national after he or she fulfills the requirements established by Congress in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). The general requirements for administrative naturalization include:
  • a period of continuous residence and physical presence in the United States;
  • residence in a particular USCIS District prior to filing;
  • an ability to read, write, and speak English;
  • a knowledge and understanding of U.S. history and government;
  • good moral character;
  • attachment to the principles of the U.S. Constitution; and,
  • favorable disposition toward the United States.


Surprisingly, there are free language classes and citizenship preparation classes for immigrants. In New York state they are often provided be BOCES.



Well, see, I learned something today. Did you Michael?  I will also say, I met someone last week that just took the citizenship test recently and became a citizen.  The questions they ask on that test cover more areas and facts than I'm sure a lot of Americans know.

So, maybe your bitch really is "Why doesn't everyone that lives here speak what language you think they should". 

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