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How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 3/21/2005 12:37:37 PM   
Kittywithklaws


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I'm fairly new to the lifestyle. IN a great relationship. I'm the domme in the relationship, which is how i like it Anyway, during the day I spend most of my time being "nice". I'm a server so my job is to be thier lbitch with a smile until they give me a few dollars. I 'm very good at my job and in general im a nice person. However, I'm trying to get over the "nice" part of me when my b/f and I play. What's wrong with being a nice domme? nuttin i guess. id perfer to get over it though. Like i said, im still fairly new so maybe ill learn in time. but i was hioping to see if ne one had ne suggestions on how to help me get over being "nice. also ne suggestions how how to be not nice are very welcome!
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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 3/21/2005 12:44:37 PM   
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Absolutely nothing wrong with being nice - my Master is the nicest, kindest man I know! But I also know that that 'niceness' will disolve into disappointment and annoyance if His subbie does not fulfill His requirements to the letter. If you are 'woolly' as a Domme and don't set precise limits your sub won't know how to behave and you're setting yourself for failure. Be firm, fair and consistent. My tuppence.

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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 3/21/2005 3:53:35 PM   
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Kittywithklaws,

I get what you are saying 100%. First and foremost however, I think the myth that Dommes have to be bitches in order to be real Dommes needs to just be debunked. We can be kind and loving, yet in a stern way. That is where my tag line iron hand in a velvet glove comes from.

On the other hand, many elements of play come from dynamics that involve giving someone pain, discomfort, chores, (play) punishment, etc. Even when training someone to do something, you can’t just give in the minute you see a little strain on his or her face. All of this requires you to find it in yourself to be tough, perhaps a little heartless, right? Not so nice and kind and lenient...

I get it. I’m genuinely a nice person too. I’ve got this blue-eyed blonde angelic thing going on and so many think I’m just a sweet girl. Ha! It’s all a ruse!

I found however that it didn’t only have to do with getting over a “nice” part of me in order to get to the more deviant dynamics I was craving. The problem lay deeper then that. The fact is that even though I had these desires to do wickedly cruel things to the objects of my desires, I found I didn’t have a premise to do them. My submissive and I would get along just fine and there was no need for punishment. For me, there was nothing exciting about just picking up a cane and whacking. It had to have a deeper, psychological impact then that. There was a need for a little foreplay to set the situation up. There was a need to have a conflict present in order to justify my cruelties, not that I felt I needed to justify them… it’s a hard concept to put into words. But I think you might know what I’m talking about Kittywithklaws.

So here are a few techniques that helped me create a situation of conflict that enabled me to let my cruel side out.

Predicament bondage: the premise of predicament bondage is to create a conflict of desires for your submissive, putting them between a rock and a hard place essentially. What the predicament is, is up to you. But the goal is that whichever direction the submissive moves in has consequences. These can be either physical or psychological. What I like about this type of bondage is that the premise can be to test endurance, thresholds, etc. As a Domme, I love seeing what new and wicked scenarios I can come up with next. Some of the things I have done is bind my boy’s cock and balls with rope, then get him on his knees, back straight, and then bring the rope up and tie his hands behind his back. I make sure there is a very good tension. He is then ordered to lean forward and service me orally. His conflict becomes wanting to obey me and please me (and do something he absolutely adores doing) and enduring the pain in bound genitals which got pulled when he leaned forward. Sometimes I would back up a bit so he'd have to lean in further, causing more tension in the rope. It's amazing how easy it is to let out our inner bitch in these situations! That is one very basic example. If you ever get a chance to see a Midori workshop (her website http://www.beautybound.com/) or read some of her writings, she has a whole bunch of other examples. She isn’t the only expert on this.

Role-playing: Ok. I’m the first to admit that role-playing can be uber cheesy at times. But then again, I’ve found that if I take on a role that isn’t too much of a stretch for me and it doesn’t include going to the local costume shop, I can actually get into it. The purpose of this is to create a situation in which there would be a conflict between you and your submissive. A naughty schoolboy who needs discipline? Lady boss and male secretary? Prisoner of war? Puppy training? You obviously got to do something that turns you on. But it can set a premise of conflict.

Rewards & Punishment: Short of turning your boy into a circus animal, you can give him tasks to perform and either reward him for a job well done or punish him if he fails. One of the first challenges I cooked up was to get a boy to walk on all fours from one end of the hall to the other with a glass of water in the small of his back. If he spilled the glass, he would get punished. If he got to the end, he would get a reward, such as kissing my feet.

Humiliation play: This is something I’ve gotten into more and more recently. Humiliation play is so much more then name calling. It is about getting into someone’s head and messing with it, all the while knowing what is going too far. I’ll post a scenario that I posted in another thread as I found it to be a very successful instance of humiliation play. I played with a man who today is a successful entrepreneur in the technology industry and probably could have any woman he wanted (well at least from the gold digging batch). But when he was in high school, he was a nerd. When he tried talking to popular girls or walked by them, they would mock him. A few weeks after he confided this to me, I waited for him to arrive wearing a schoolgirl outfit (it’s not just for sub girls anymore!) and you should have seen his eyes when he walked in the door. I told him he better get this stupid tutoring session over with quickly because I had better things to do then hang out with a loser like him. Well… let’s say it was a very intense afternoon. I tapped into a very vulnerable spot for him which evoked a whole bunch of emotions and make it *very* real. You have to be careful with these games, especially if you are dealing with someone who was heavily traumatized.

I encourage you to explore other things that might help you create this conflict dynamic that will help you harness your inner bitch. It’s nice to let her out and play at times. Don’t forget the sweet side that your boyfriend fell for though ;)

Oh, and welcome to the boards :)

- Lady Angelika

< Message edited by LadyAngelika -- 3/21/2005 4:00:47 PM >


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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 3/21/2005 9:10:11 PM   
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DOMS do not have to be "not nice" just be YOURSELF
I do not look like nor act like a "Dom" but i am one . I am who and what I am.
I am a giving trusting caring person.. this i will NOT change


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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 3/23/2005 4:23:23 AM   
LadyAngelika


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kinkypupper

DOMS do not have to be "not nice" just be YOURSELF
I do not look like nor act like a "Dom" but i am one . I am who and what I am.
I am a giving trusting caring person.. this i will NOT change



I understand what you are saying KP, but as I mentioned in my post, there are instances in which we have to get over a certain amount of "kindness" in order to be able to push our submissives further. I experienced that dilemna and it seems the Kittywithklaws has as well.

- LA

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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 3/23/2005 6:24:52 AM   
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I, too, am a 'nice' person, normally. It's difficult to get into the "bitch-goddess from Hell" role and frankly, My subs wouldn't believe Me if I tried it!

I counter it by being loving instead of cruel, giving My slaves good thiungs and occasional suffering instead of trying to live in a role that is not Me.

Lady Sonelle

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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 3/23/2005 6:49:27 AM   
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I know not everyone dominated the same way. I'm glad the loveing caring domm works for some ppl. im not trying to be somthing im not. I know that I'm capable of being a bitch-godess from hell:) its just being able to allow myself to do it

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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 3/23/2005 7:04:09 AM   
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It can be hard shifting mindsets from one aspect to the next. You could try psyching yourself up to it. Perhaps make a cd of kick-as* songs, songs that get you in your feisty mindspace and play it beforehand on your way home from work. Give yourself pep talks. Wear an item of clothing that you feel all-powerful in.
~smiles~
Good luck and I hope this helps.

Sincerely,
merry

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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 3/25/2005 8:41:23 PM   
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I feel like this alot too. Especially because I'm a generally nice guy in real life, but when i play, and want to invoke that Dom from Hell attitude, I just do my best to shift myself into that paradigm. I remind myself that this is what turns my sub on and that mental domination, nice or 'strict' is a major part of a D/s relationship, not to mention its important when it comes to pushing limits and taking a sub to new places'. at least imho.


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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 3/26/2005 1:03:41 AM   
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I don't find a Domina having "nice" as a part of her personality
a bad thing, in fact I prefer a good balance between loving and
stern character traits.


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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 3/26/2005 10:48:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kittywithklaws

I'm fairly new to the lifestyle. IN a great relationship. I'm the domme in the relationship, which is how i like it Anyway, during the day I spend most of my time being "nice". I'm a server so my job is to be thier lbitch with a smile until they give me a few dollars. I 'm very good at my job and in general im a nice person. However, I'm trying to get over the "nice" part of me when my b/f and I play. What's wrong with being a nice domme? nuttin i guess. id perfer to get over it though. Like i said, im still fairly new so maybe ill learn in time. but i was hioping to see if ne one had ne suggestions on how to help me get over being "nice. also ne suggestions how how to be not nice are very welcome!



Nothing wrong with being a nice domme, as everyone has pointed out. But I think you're asking about mindset shifting (per a later post of yours in this thread).

Spend some time reminding yourself that you are 'entitled' to what you want in your relationship and that it's ok to 'expect' it, whether it pleases the other person or not.

When you play, don't stop to see if they are 'ok' every 10 seconds (I've heard SOOOO many subs bitch about this in dominants). Make it clear that it is as much their responsibility to assure their safety and communicate to you as it is your responsibility to create a safe place. Make it clear that you will be relying on them to communicate to you whether they are unwell and you will be assuming they are fine if they dont' communicate otherwise (this would be covered under rule #1 of the code - PROTECT THE PROPERTY). Then don't ask 'ok?' all the time. It's their job to let you know if they're not ok. Of course this doesn't mean that you shouldn't use your good judgement and what you know about safety, it means you don't have to check in often to do it.

Then remind yourself, again, that you are entitled to expect what you want in your relationship.



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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 3/26/2005 12:27:38 PM   
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Seems to me, Ma'am, that Your slave may be using You to gain what (s)he wants without paying her/his dues! (S)he may be taking advantage of Your good nature in order to achieve that which (s)he needs, without demonstrating the necessary obedience/attention/concern/submissiveness that You require and deserve.

For instance, does (s)he obey Your orders on a daily basis? Does (s)he conform to Your wishes upon instruction and in the timetable that You set forth? When in lifestyle-public, does (s)he demonstrate absolute obedience and absolute discipline, as (s)he has been trained? Do You maintain a daily schedule for Your slave that (s)he must follow, or earn Your wrath? (And, if (s)he does not, does (s)he receive Your wrath?) And, is (s)he disobedient to You, possibly, because (s)he, deep-down, desires the discipline that You might not as yet have applied to her/him, but is too nervous to express because (s)he feels that You might dismiss her/him?

Speaking as a m slave, and with no disrespect to You or any other Dom(me), might i suggest that, first and foremost, You post Your slave and apply such training mechanisms as You deem appropriate, intructing said slave, as You apply the discipline, that (s)he has not been in conformity with Your wishes, that You have tolerated her/his behavior for too long, and that unless her/his attitude and behavior changes, You will either further discipline, swap or dismiss her/him.

It might very well be that by nature of Your "good nature", You are, in fact neglecting the hidden needs of this slave.

Respectfully,

slave lokhi

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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 3/27/2005 2:08:13 AM   
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Hello Kittywithklaws. It can be difficult to give yourself permission to be less 'nice' during play time. I know I had to formally GIVE Myself that permission at the start. What really helped though was seeing the pleasure that My sub felt when I was firm and Dominant in what I did. Watch his face and see if the lines of tension and strain fade away when You take control from him. That can reassure You that what You are doing is right for the two of you. And don't mistake being polite and courtious for being less Dominant.

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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 3/30/2005 4:23:25 AM   
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I am in a relationship where I am the Dom, and just recently she has agreed to fully submit to me. Outside of our sessions I am fully loving and caring. We go out to dinner, laugh like there's no problems in the world and just enjoy each others company. Within that she obeys me, but has the right to disagree and have differing views on situations in life. When we are in sessions, she IS mine. I have full control, and her pain\pleasure is my pleasure. This a first for us both, and we are loving it.

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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 4/1/2005 2:44:35 AM   
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You dont have to adhere to the standards and rules that everyone has adopted or invented.

be yourself, do what you like to do. Do what makes you happy.

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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 7/6/2005 2:57:37 PM   
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May this slave suggest that Mistress continues to monitor this site and perhaps even join http://www.alt.com it's a wonderful website to exchange ideas with other Dommes and even get a few ideas from some other subs.
Personally, I would recommend that you just be yourself. That is what attracted your sub to you to begin with. Perhaps Mistress should instruct her slave to purchase a Male Chastity Device (of your choosing of course!) which may be locked on him or other Male submissives at Mistressees pleasure. Even a money slave would find this kind of control to be very exciting. Mistress could have the slave put the device on in front of her (real time) or use a web camera to show Mistress that the device has been placed on the male slave. Once this is done, a plastic seal is also placed on the locking mechansim of the device and both keys are given to the Mistress. If the Mistress is looking for a money slave, Mistress may even offer her services as a Professional Keyholder. Many such dommes, do not actually engage in direct domination of a male slave. But for a fee, (usually 15 - 25 dollars a week). The mistress denies the male the chance to masturbate. Only at a time and choosing of Mistress. Do the keys get returned to the slave to release himself. Mistress may even have the male slave masturbate for her amusement in front of her, or in front of a web camera. Once this is done, the device is placed back on the male slave, and a new seal is attached.

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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 7/6/2005 4:04:14 PM   
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Simply find the cold place within you and let it go.

Use it to challenge both him,and yourself.

The reptile will come to you, if you accept it and give it food.

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RE: being too nice - 7/6/2005 4:26:02 PM   
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yeah okay. ya didn't pull my string and no it is not cage cleaning day.

but from my own personal experience......grab Your salt shaker...

my 1st was a pro domme. and no was not cruel, in my mind, but was not all that warm and fuzzy either.
now i am talking to a new Ms online that IS sweet, warm and fuzzy.

the difference?

i'll take warm and fuzzy over being cold and unapproachable, untouchable any day.

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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 7/6/2005 6:05:29 PM   
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Nice is great! Trust me, not only do you get more with honey than with vinegar, the shock followed by eager service is MORE than worth a little smiles verses a little shouting.

LA made a great post, just be yourse.f

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RE: How do I get over being too nice as a domme - 7/6/2005 6:40:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kittywithklaws

. However, I'm trying to get over the "nice" part of me when my b/f and I play. What's wrong with being a nice domme? nuttin i guess. id perfer to get over it though. Like i said, im still fairly new so maybe ill learn in time. but i was hioping to see if ne one had ne suggestions on how to help me get over being "nice. also ne suggestions how how to be not nice are very welcome!


I cant help personnally but I some of my ex girl friends will be able to help with becoming a bitch.

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