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Training House - 3/22/2005 8:06:59 AM   
TallDarkAndWitty


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Status: offline 		So it has always been a desire of mine to run a Slave Training House. I have a rather specific scenario in mind, and I have been working through the details in my head. Below, you will find what I am thinking...I would love to hear the thoughts of those who frequent this board. I am rather serious about this, and will be looking for a space in the next two months.

Philosophy: The House will provide short-term training for slaves and Masters/Mistresses. Stays at the House will be for a weekend or week. Every guest of the House must have a sponsor. The sponsor would be someone who has either completed a stay at the House, or is known to the Head Trainer. Training, by the House, would be non-sexual, pursuant to jurisdictional laws. Slaves would be trained in the codified positions, rituals, and dances of the House. Masters/Mistresses would be trained in the use of the House's training manual as well as basic scene safety and etiquette. While at the House, slaves would be expected to serve as domestic servants during their training. Slaves would be cuffed, collared and in uniform (for example white slips for women, white hospital scrubs (or something like that) for men) at all times.

Logistics: The House would have the following minimum requirements: A private basement that would house the slave quarters and training space and a guest bedroom for hosting visiting trainers and Masters/Mistresses in training. The slave quarters and training space would be completely covered by cameras, with any activity recorded. For those who do not wish to be identified on film, masks (for Tops) and hoods (for bottoms) will be provided at the entrance to the basement. The slave quarters will consist of two bunk beds (allowing four slaves to occupy the space), four foot lockers, and a computer the slaves will use for their mandatory journals and for play during their time off. The training space will consist of various furniture and implements to be used in training, punishment, play, and reward.

Finances: The House would be a for-profit venture. A stay would cost in the range of $1000 for a weekend, $2000 for a week. Scholarships would be offered to exceptional candidates. A subscription based website would supplement the expense. The website would allow real time access to the basement cameras, as well as the slaves' journals. Particularly good training scenes would be archived and made available to members as well.


So what am I forgetting? Any suggestions, be they philosophical, logistical, or financial would be appreciated…

Taggard


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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 9:09:47 AM   
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quote:

So what am I forgetting? Any suggestions, be they philosophical, logistical, or financial would be appreciated…


Taggard, my friend. We've discussed this desire of yours on more than one occasion. In as much as I enjoy the thought of something like this, to see it to fruition brings up a number of questions.

A) Why would an Owner (And I am using that term loosely to cover Tops of both genders who are in a relationship with a bottom) need this service? What would attract someone who, by the very nature of D/s is the one to mold the bottom to their liking? To me, it seems rather counter-productive to the very nature of the kinds of power exchange relationships we tend toward in D/s.

B) The accoutrements associated with D/s are many and varied. I would think that in order to be successful, you would have to offer some kind of SM/B&D component. You have been open about being interested in a very small range of SM/B&D activities. I would think this would put you at a disadvantage relative to the plan you have set out.

C)Bottoms aren't dancers. I think a small subset of people are interested in this kind of training, but by and large, I can't imagine that this service would be of much interest to the broader community.

D)Reputation. Most institutes have an established 'Master Craftsman' at the helm. How would you establish your own credibility as a Trainer in order to meet an exceptable level of 'Mastery' for the craft and be able to market that credibly?

E) Why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free? Your training methods are yours, and although you have achieved a level of quality in one particular girl, to expect that these methods and results are desireable across the board I think is questionable. Tops tend to choose bottoms for certain reasons, and many of which would vary greatly from your own personal desires. To expect your training methods and desired outcomes to be somehow universal I think could be problematic.

Again, as an idea I think it's fun to discuss and banter about. But to expect it to be fully realized is another story.

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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 9:39:13 AM   
TallDarkAndWitty


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ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily

A) Why would an Owner (And I am using that term loosely to cover Tops of both genders who are in a relationship with a bottom) need this service? What would attract someone who, by the very nature of D/s is the one to mold the bottom to their liking? To me, it seems rather counter-productive to the very nature of the kinds of power exchange relationships we tend toward in D/s.


I don't think we would have much to offer an Owner. I see this as a place for slaves to come to extend their knowledge of service and, perhaps, live out a fantasy.

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B) The accoutrements associated with D/s are many and varied. I would think that in order to be successful, you would have to offer some kind of SM/B&D component. You have been open about being interested in a very small range of SM/B&D activities. I would think this would put you at a disadvantage relative to the plan you have set out.


I think our definitions of "successful" might be quite different. I see no need for this thing to make money. If it payed for itself...I would be beside myself with joy. If it cost me less then $6,000 a year, I'd prolly be happy.

If you come to my House, you get trained my way. It isn't about giving the slave what they want...it is about training them in a very specific style.

Clearly, it isn't for everyone...but if nothing else, I will have a wonderful space to bring my own playthings to enjoy. And the construction of the training manual and the rules and the contracts and the web page and all of that delicious paperwork sends chills up my spine. *smile*


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C)Bottoms aren't dancers. I think a small subset of people are interested in this kind of training, but by and large, I can't imagine that this service would be of much interest to the broader community.


Quite right...I have no interest in being "of much interest to the broader community." My kinks are rather off the beaten path, but, I have actually had little difficulty in finding those who share them.

Those who enjoy The Marketplace series by Laura Antoniou would enjoy what I am planning...


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D)Reputation. Most institutes have an established 'Master Craftsman' at the helm. How would you establish your own credibility as a Trainer in order to meet an exceptable level of 'Mastery' for the craft and be able to market that credibly?


Just like the other Master Craftsmen did...I will spend years doing it. If all goes according to my desires, I plan on entering the NorthEast MasterSlave competition next year (once E and C and I are eligible). My House doesn't need to make money...but I would use my marketing ability to try and see if it can.

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E) Why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free? Your training methods are yours, and although you have achieved a level of quality in one particular girl, to expect that these methods and results are desireable across the board I think is questionable. Tops tend to choose bottoms for certain reasons, and many of which would vary greatly from your own personal desires. To expect your training methods and desired outcomes to be somehow universal I think could be problematic.


I am not sure what you mean by this. Again, no one is going to be "trained" to my liking in a week or weekend. At most, it will give a view into my style. Yet, it can indeed satisfy some fantasies, and, if things are very compatible, lead to some repeat customers who might be fully trained.

I am not expecting any results...just some fun with kinks.

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Again, as an idea I think it's fun to discuss and banter about. But to expect it to be fully realized is another story.


Well, you will be one of the lucky ones who will get to see me try up close and personal!!!

Taggard

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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 10:09:41 AM   
stormsfate


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Status: offline 		You know...there are plenty of leather families who will offer their protection and non-sexual training at no charge to sincere submissives, with the caveat that the training received may not end up being desirable in the long run by whomever ends up owning that particular property. Most people who have been around for a while are happy to pass along their knowledge *if* one shows a sincerity in learning.

I guess as another poster mentioned, I would also ask what qualifies the "instructors" at this type of establishment.

I suspect that any interest in this type of establishment would probably be those looking for a "Fantasy Island" type vacation...if there would be any interest at all.

As for the Marketplace series...those *are* fantasy...lol. Talk to the author sometime...she and her partner will quickly disabuse anyone of the notion they are fact based.


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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 10:27:11 AM   
TallDarkAndWitty


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ORIGINAL: stormsfate

I suspect that any interest in this type of establishment would probably be those looking for a "Fantasy Island" type vacation...if there would be any interest at all.


What is wrong with Fantasy Island?

I think that is very much the kind of thing I am looking for...


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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 10:56:56 AM   
stormsfate


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Status: offline 		Not a thing in the world wrong with it...lol. I'm just not sure that many people would be willing to pay $1,000 for a weekend of it. Could spend a nice weekend in NYC for that and play for free :)



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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 11:10:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hell Taggard, hate to be in competition with you, but I'll do it for free! And the weather is much nicer here in Redondo Beach!

I've got the room for it. A pretty well stocked "play room" with some nifty dungeon funiture. Of course in my setting the only dancing the sub will be doing would be at the end of my single tail or flogger.

I can open it up as a subsidiary of my "Grand Master" school.

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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 11:13:56 AM   
TallDarkAndWitty


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Hell Taggard, hate to be in competition with you, but I'll do it for free! And the weather is much nicer here in Redondo Beach!

I've got the room for it. A pretty well stocked "play room" with some nifty dungeon funiture. Of course in my setting the only dancing the sub will be doing would be at the end of my single tail or flogger.

I can open it up as a subsidiary of my "Grand Master" school.


Not competition...franchising!

Taggard

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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 1:22:02 PM   
Oumae


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Status: offline 		The idea is not totally off the wall but you may be limiting yourself a bit too much, then again I dont know the market in The States!

In the UK some have dungeons that they hire out for the night/week-end. Some hold workshops in different skills/interests or host week-ends with different themes in them.
There is a school based (one see link) http://www.tawse.com/ but then many enjoy the school roleplay.

The thing to do is to research well and see from there.

Good Luck,

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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 2:22:35 PM   
caitlyn


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Status: offline 		Why think small? If properly marketed, this could be the next mega-lodgeing chain.

I can see it now ...

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RaD/son
Merrylott

One day, you might even have children named after French cities.

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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 2:53:25 PM   
CitizenCane


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Status: offline 		Well, by all means go for it. I do think, however, that there is a big difference between training and teaching, and what you are discussing seems to be teaching. Training involves inculcating habits and attitudes, not just transmitting some knowledge or skill. I don't really see that happening in a weekend or a week. I'm aware that the term 'training' is often used for brief seminars, but I think this is a misuse of the word. I think what you're talking about is more along the lines of submissive education than actual training. Nothing wrong with that- probably much more marketable than anything that really involved training in the deeper sense.



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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 3:18:41 PM   
harmony3709


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Status: offline 		I have looked into a lifestyle B&B in Michigan that also offers training similar to what you mentioned, although to be honest, their weekend rates are considerably less than $1,000.

As a submissive and one who is both service and pleasure/sexually oriented, what I hear from any place I have seen such as you describe or any conversation regarding them is that they seem to always say the same thing: come here and be a domestic (aka maid) and maybe you'll get flogged or something, but that is typically not even mentioned, mostly I have heard.....be prepared to come here and work at cleaning our house.

You mentioned dancing, and I will give you credit for listing something other than domestic duties, and you may have other things in mind besides dancing that you didn't mention here. What I would like to see, and would consider paying for, is something perhaps similar to the training that geishas received. I already know how to clean. I have done this for the Doms I have served and have no problem doing it for them and I don't need to do it for a weekend to fully understand what that means. What I would be interested in is things I don't know how to do or would like to improve. As examples (not necessarily my own personal interests): Bartending, massage, serving drinks, hostess skills, bookkeeping, etc. Perhaps exercises that will help you to improve your ability to focus on someone else at all times or exercises that you can do when you leave the training house to maintain (or improve) your role as a submissive, such as exercises in humility, or stress relief for the submissive, so she is better able to concentrate on her Master/Mistress.

It has been a while since I've read the Marketplace series, but I seem to recall that a lot of the training was exercises to reinforce the mindset of a slave. (In addition to domestic chores.) If I also recall correctly, they would reinforce and improve the natural talents and skills of the slave so they would have the most possible uses for the owner.

I guess in my mind, there's a difference between a training house and a Fantasy Island. If someone wanted to go and "be a slave" for a weekend, which could be a heck of a lot of fun, I don't see that as necessarily the same thing as training.

harmony

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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 4:37:23 PM   
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What I would be interested in is things I don't know how to do or would like to improve. As examples (not necessarily my own personal interests): Bartending, massage, serving drinks, hostess skills, bookkeeping, etc. Perhaps exercises that will help you to improve your ability to focus on someone else at all times or exercises that you can do when you leave the training house to maintain (or improve) your role as a submissive, such as exercises in humility, or stress relief for the submissive, so she is better able to concentrate on her Master/Mistress.


See, this is the kind of "training" that would sell Taggard... Of course I don't know that it would sell for as much as you are considering asking though.... Although.... if you offered just one skill per visit... that might help build up some returning clients.

I would also include serving at formal dinners and cooking formal meals. All of those skills would be highly prized by any owner worth their salt.

And yes, having a new submissive that already understands the proper protocol would also be nice. But as I said, you may have to rethink your prices some, and I would consider finding a major domo as well.

Jewel

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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 4:54:41 PM   
Shayna


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Status: offline 		On one of the "Real Sex" series on HBO they showed a place that couples went to play out bdsm-ish roleplay scenarios that were videotaped. They took home the video as a souvenir. You could vanilla it up a little and appeal to a broader audience and probably have a better shot at making a livelihood out of it. I'm not sure that there are enough of "us" that have that kind of money to keep it going for long.

It's a creative idea!

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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 5:45:12 PM   
smilezz


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Status: offline 		Some of your thoughts remind me of this place....i know the people personally, used to live in this town...played there and even know a few from around the states that travel to JUST go.

http://www.shadowfind.com/


Kinda sounds similar to some of your information.


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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 7:29:33 PM   
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Have you looked into the Other World Kingdom at all? I'm surpised that it hasn't been mentioned yet on this thread. It is a Domme focused community/vacation spot/training house, but I'm sure that you could learn from the model they employ in regards to business.
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RE: Training House - 3/22/2005 9:10:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Taggard,

What you're proposing sounds similar to The Estate in NYC. I don't know how successful they are, since I have zero interest in that kind of thing, but I do know that all 3 of them were well known and respected in "the scene" before they started it. They had reputations as skilled presenters and players, which I think would be pretty important in something like that.

You might want to talk to them about what worked/didn't work for them. Their website, in case you're not familiar with it, is http://www.the-estate.com/



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RE: Training House - 3/23/2005 12:27:08 PM   
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In regards to this venture you are considering. I can see the pros and cons of it, a lot of which has already been stated by
others. If you look at in the perspective of a “get away” I think it can be very lucrative and beneficial. However I do not
see those who want to participate and are of a middle class stature spending $1000 dollars for a weekend.
Friends of mine own a beautiful house(4bedroom, 2full bath) up north on a mid size private lake. It has all the peace
and tranquillity a lot of ppl seek on their “get aways”. It is fully stocked with all the needs from bedding, dishes,
entertainment for the various ages and whatnot, all they ask is for their guests to provide their own food and to keep
the house and grounds as they found them. They rent it by the week for $1000 from June to Sept. I can see that price for
a week in this situation as well.
I do think there would be an interest in it. For those who may not have access to play space, or are looking to spend
days in a row together in this lifestyle and may not have that ability otherwise. I think it would appeal not only to those
of us that are serious but those that may wish to dabble and see where their limits are. It may also be a place to hold
small events/gatherings for groups.
I can’t say that I would personally be thrilled with the cameras, but I suppose that would be up to each individual guest.
I can see specific themes or activities being planned and offered, training courses for various tastes, or seminars. We
have tons of B&B’s that thrive, why not a house geared more towards some kinks than the Vanillas.
We sit here and debate on the boards everyday about our different views, and the plenitude of fictional books, that are
turning ppl on to this lifestyle...why not offer a place where for a few days perhaps they can jump into the aspect, and
make a base for their real time lives and in the process actually be exposed to some education in BDSM.
As for those with years of experience, it’s a vacation that does not require them to become vanilla in the presence of
others, add their own knowledge and maybe see some up and coming play practices. ( shrug) Just my opinion.
I would consider spending time at such a place, even with all the “free” access offered me.

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RE: Training House - 3/23/2005 1:35:24 PM   
srahfox


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Status: offline 		I think it's definately an interesting idea. I don't really think 1000 for weekend is way too much, truely depending on what that includes.(Of course slightly less would be better) Is this just one night? Coming in on Saturday and leaving Sunday? Or would this be something like check in on Friday, out on Monday? Is Food included?
I agree that every Master and submissive is differnent therefor one exact style won't work for everyone. But really that doesn't make it any less interesting. Personally I think It would be kind of cool to undertake more training. I mean, basically any one who's had more than one Master/Mistress has had more than one kind of training.
I would personally want more than household training myself. I can definately understand Why it would be easier to keep most of the training non sexual. No quicker way to get shut down than by breaking some laws. However A wider range of training would bring more people.
But I like the Dancing thing. I'm not a great dancer myself but I would enjoy being taught.
Just my two cents on the idea. Good on you if you accually do it.

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RE: Training House - 3/23/2005 2:16:45 PM   
Alexander


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Status: offline 		You'll make more money if you offer it to the non bdsm community. Offer a weekend package of "demonstrations" with the potential for involvement if they should so choose. (thus avoiding heinous health laws) and then offer a wide range of activities that guests could see and participate in. Maintain the training portion but make it a non paid voluntary for females and paid marginal for subdudes

In other words, the movie exit to eden in a B&B. Put it down next to hedonism II an i'll be the Janitor with a drinking problem. :)
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