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sub4hire -> RE: Terri Schiavo (6/16/2005 3:40:36 PM)

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I'm not saying that ANYTHING the Schindlers said about this case had any merit (and of course politicians like DeLay behaved despicably), but let's not pretend that Mr. Schiavo is a saint.


I don't either and all of those threads you refer to are within this thread. At the time we talked about it indepth.

I guess what I find hard to understand..and this is with all people. Is if you have convictions, why don't they stand by them?
Don't they want their daughter at peace? If you are religious at all you believe you go to heaven.
Depending upon religion of course. Anyway I believe they are one of the religions that believe that way.
Why be so selfish? Over nothing.




Isara -> RE: Terri Schiavo (6/16/2005 3:55:02 PM)

All I know about the case (which I'll admit is rather limited, I'm Australian and there hasn't been as much coverage here) Is that it's a very hard thing to have to make the decision to not resuscitate after someone's heart stop's beating or they stop breathing.

My mother was ill, both with mental illness and renal failure which had been caused by a doctor's negligence. We lived with that for fifteen years, hospital visits, mental wards and conflicting doctors reports.

My mother, who had been a nurse, knew what was happening to her, and so, in the last few years of her life gave my father "Power of Attorney" and made him promise that if she got like that he would turn off the machines. She just wanted to see her children raised and unfortunately that wasn't able to happen. Nevertheless, that final time in hospital, even a few days before she slipped into the final coma, we knew this was the end. She had been put on a breathing tube and it was taken out long enough for her to speak to her children, a brief "I love you, and I'm proud of you." She spoke to my father for a few minutes until she resorted to writing messages when breathing got too hard and then, she wrote a final "I'm done." She laughed, kissed us all, and my father asked for more morphine. She faded over three days and was gone. As per her wishes, any organs that could be salvaged were, her brain given to science, in the hopes of understanding schizophrenia and she was buried quickly.

She had asked not to be resuscitated and when she stopped breathing the fist time, was resuscitated, after dealing with my father they didn't dare again. He wanted his wife of thirty years and the mother of small children to live. But he wanted her to be at peace more. And he knew she wouldn't want to live like that anymore, oxygen loss had been gradual and her brain had been damaged. She wasn't 'our' mother anymore; anymore then she was 'his' wife. She would never have wanted to be a burden on us and we had to honour her wishes. And ultimately, that was what was best for her.

Quality of life for these people has to be taken into account, as a woman who was raised on the land? If an animal is in serious pain, and neither we nor the vet can do anything to help them, we're going to do the kindest thing and put them to sleep to end their suffering.

When there is no quality of life left, when we are no longer 'us'. Perhaps it's time to let go. I've made my wishes very clear, and at my father's insistence when I turned 18 left a legal document with my lawyer stating that if I find myself in such a state, my life support is to be turned off and my organs donated to someone who needs them.

If I’m not ‘me’ anymore, I don’t want to live. I will have ‘died’ even if my body hasn’t quite worked it out yet.


Isara.




sub4hire -> RE: Terri Schiavo (6/16/2005 4:15:48 PM)

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When there is no quality of life left, when we are no longer 'us'. Perhaps it's time to let go. I've made my wishes very clear, and at my father's insistence when I turned 18 left a legal document with my lawyer stating that if I find myself in such a state, my life support is to be turned off and my organs donated to someone who needs them.

If I’m not ‘me’ anymore, I don’t want to live. I will have ‘died’ even if my body hasn’t quite worked it out yet.


I'm sorry to hear of your loss Isara. I know you get tired of hearing that. I've had a lot of death in my life. I'm pretty tired of hearing the sorry's.
I had the same situation with my mom and my sister. I held the papers for both. Both came down to life support. Fact is, the papers mean nothing. At least not in the US. I don't care how they were filed...where or who holds them. They are going to resuscitate.
If you hold those paper's you can have them pulled off after you wage a war. Although it takes a war to happen before.
If the members of this board were all my closest friends. I told you my wishes...then something happened. It would still be up to my husband first, parents..second. Oldest sibling...on and on. Whoever was next in line..If they wanted me on life support I would be on it..Even though all of you know otherwise.

I wish everyone luck with their powers of attorneys. Living wills. Sadly they don't amount to much in the end.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Terri Schiavo (6/16/2005 5:34:05 PM)

What I mean is that a lot of the media coverage right now is taking the line that the autopsy has "vindicated" Mr. Schiavo. They haven't VINDICATED him (because they weren't about him). They've just confirmed two points: that she had massive brain damage and was blind.

What's much more to the point is that the autopsy has made jackasses of all the politicians who were clamoring to "save Terri" and to allow her to take food by mouth.

Lam

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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

I don't either and all of those threads you refer to are within this thread. At the time we talked about it indepth.





sub4hire -> RE: Terri Schiavo (6/16/2005 6:10:45 PM)

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What I mean is that a lot of the media coverage right now is taking the line that the autopsy has "vindicated" Mr. Schiavo. They haven't VINDICATED him (because they weren't about him). They've just confirmed two points: that she had massive brain damage and was blind.

What's much more to the point is that the autopsy has made jackasses of all the politicians who were clamoring to "save Terri" and to allow her to take food by mouth.


I totally agree with you. I'd just like her parents to let her rest in peace though. I hope when my time comes whoever is making the decisions allows me to.
I certainly don't want to become a media circus dead or alive.




Tristan -> RE: Terri Schiavo (6/18/2005 1:17:11 PM)

It looks like the parents have brand new allegations that they forgot to mention before - the husband waited an hour after Terri's collapse before calling 911. Even Jeb wants an investigation into these new allegations. Somehow I had a feeling it wasn't going to end with the autopsy.




sub4hire -> RE: Terri Schiavo (6/20/2005 11:50:33 AM)

Yep, but I bet they won't find anything new. Other than a distraught husband.
Sure, I don't see him as being innocent...but I think she should have a right to rest
in peace.

Just let it go...but I know they can't do that...




Lordandmaster -> RE: Terri Schiavo (6/20/2005 7:42:32 PM)

The Schiavo case has been a big loser for the Republican party and half of me is glad to see that they can't let this one go. All they can do is push the gerbil in a little deeper.

Of course, they're also going to turn a few lives upside-down in the process, but the people who are likely to suffer haven't exactly been avoiding the limelight.

Lam




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