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RE: China - 3/1/2007 7:54:32 AM   
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I will say this, Living outside mainland US and hearing the US government saying it was worried about my freedom then there would only be one thing to do....run for the hills and hope US fighter bombers didnt get me.

I exclude Iraq from this because I believe both the US/UK are keen to disengage and in fact it is the Iraquis doing the killing.


ummm. can you say Katrina. those folks are Americans. US govt STOPPED -truckload of water from Walmart, blocks Firemen en route from virginia, My goverment that is here to protect me BLOCKED aid sent by many credable folks.
The video was televised around the globe. Folks all over the world offerred help. I will never forgive bush for this!!



They are not there to Protect You. They're only looking to protect their phony baloney jobs, and Mike Browne still had to take one for the team.

There is no legitimate response except the approved Federal Response. All Your State Guard Belong to U.S.





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RE: China - 3/1/2007 7:55:45 AM   
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The Chineese navy was so obsolete it is a rational thing was to modernise once it had the resources. The problem with the Whitehouse is that it sees countries that have experienced western exploitation in the past and wish to defend themselves against further exploitation in the future as aggressive, when all the aggression has come from the western side.


Like testing lasers against US surveillance satellites? Nothing aggressive about that at all.


And your sources?

If it is true, maybe they just don't like being spied on any more than the US does. Pot, kettle, black, etc. etc.

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Certainly the popular belief in the US appears to be that if Venezuela doesn't sell its oil to the US at a price the US wants to pay they will be targets of American violence.


Good to know, Mr. Gallup.
Chavez is one of those very talented "socialist" leaders who manages to create mass shortages and poverty in a country with valuable natural resources, but still stay in power because he can blame it all on the big mean United States. If it weren't for us, he'd have to find some other scapegoat to keep the peasants agitated... i don't think they've got a lot of Jews there, but maybe he could come up with a riff on some native Indian minority, or Brazil or something.



Why are Americans so concerned with Venezuela? If you are a bleeding heart why don't you worry about Haiti or some other impoverished country that doesn't have resources.

Hey, an American has to have some gall to go around accusing other countries of mistreating its native peoples. You take the biscuit.

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RE: China - 3/1/2007 8:28:48 AM   
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My cat killed the power as I just finished my response.

Simply put, I live in Chile.  Venezuela isn't just an idea or theoretical place for me, they're a neighbor.  What is happening in Venezuela has already spilled over into Bolivia, the one country that might be willing to spark any sort of military conflict here.

On a larger scale, the US really doesn't care about Venezuela.  From our armchairs, we look at Venezuela as an example of what will happen to other countries in Latin America if poverty and corruption continue to spread. 

Venezuelan Oil should be providing wealth to the entire country; yet people continue to starve in the streets of Caracas, even as that same oil is being 'given' away to people living in Alaska.  Chavez promises the people freedom out of one corner of his mouth, while signing the orders to shut down free speech, press, and elections. 

Again, if a man is elected because he proposes a 90% tax cut for all right handed people (with left handed people making up the difference with a 90% increase) does he really have the interests of the whole country at heart?

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RE: China - 3/1/2007 8:56:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with your pot/kettle statement. It's kind of why I hammer on you all the time, because I think you want to apply that to Americans, without taking it on yourself.
 
You down America for being a superpower, and exploiting, or at least attempting ... but the only thing that keeps you from doing it, is that you are weak, and can't. Evidence ... when you weren't weak, you were just like us. Hell, Europeans, who the fuck do you think we learned it from?
 
Some Europeans are pissy about Iraq ... by coincidence, it's the same Europeans that were selling shit to Iraq. You don't really care about Iraq ... show me one bit of history where Eurpoeans have given a flying fuck about anyone but themselves (which is ok, by the way).
 
In short Meatcleaver, I don't think Americans think they are all that. We are just the power that is ... and nothing more. Our country isn't any better than anyone elses ... just much more powerful, and more than willing to take advantage of it ... JUST like you would, if you could.
 
Thats the bottom line ... it's not that you hate us or the things we do ... it's just that you wish it was you doing it, instread of us.
 
Pot/Kettle ... I agree.

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RE: China - 3/1/2007 9:17:05 AM   
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RE: China - 3/1/2007 9:24:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Quite right Fargle.  Anytime we don't like how we're taxed, we have the right to revolt.  Bear in mind, had the revolutionaries not been successful, they would have gone down in history as traitors and shot.  It's up to you to decide what's more valuable, your tax money or our children's lives since they're the ones who end up dying in battle.

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RE: China - 3/1/2007 2:52:15 PM   
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Again, you are ducking the real issues, and are straining at gnats.


The ISSUE I care about is you made a false statement about the US intentions towards Venezuela.

Nothing more.

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Fourth time ... you gonna answer my question


No. Because I am not engaging in DISCUSSION. I am just calling out a single factual error. You wish to divert attention from your error, ( AND it's very troubling implications ) by engaging in a discussion.

I am staying focused. Perhaps you could try to keep focused too.

You said the US doesn't have any goals or plans w.r.t. Venezuela. That's absurd, given the funding and active support of those who unlawfully opposed the lawful President and used violence in their attempt to take over the government.

Acting unlawfully, outside of the Constitution of Venezuela, using violence to effect change and affect perceptions about the government would under US Law qualifies the opposition as Terrorists.

Terrorists don't deserve that support of the US.

You might disagree, and say, "Well, sometimes paying off Terrorists is a good thing, depending on who they're against".

But I call that hypocritical. More than hyporcritical.

It is an INSULT to those and the families of those who have died by terror historically, specifically on 9/11, and since in the continuing fight against Terror.

I can't imagine the US paying and supporting Terrorists while sending our Troops to die fighting Terrorists.

It sickens me that ANYONE would shit on victims, our troops, and their families in this way.


fargle,

You reveal your emotional, non-rational inner soul and agenda with this post.  You "see" all kinds of stuff that isn't there, ignore things that are, set up plenty of strawmen, and then insult me for your own false logical constructs.

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You said the US doesn't have any goals or plans w.r.t. Venezuela.
Completely untrue.  I never said that the US "doesn't have any goals or plans" vis a vis Venezuela.  Hell, you quoted me (partially) at least twice, but you still have a problem understanding the words:  "The US really has no plans or desire to control his country,"

Operative word is "control".  You fail to see any difference between influence and control.  You also twist my words in a manner to mean something other than what I said, and to support your argument.  A straw man, in logical terms. 

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No. Because I am not engaging in DISCUSSION.
Two comments:

1.  Yes you are.

2.  You refuse to "discuss" anything that negatively impacts on your belief structure. There are plenty of pyschological terms that describe this type of behavior.

The real reason you do not wish to answer my question about whether or not Chavez has revealed himself as a dictator, is for the simple fact that any reasonable person would arrive at the conclusion that he is one, or that his primary goal is the personal acquistion of power.

In a reasonable world, taking actions against such a dictator for the purpose of giving or restoring a greater level of freedom to his citizens might actually be sufficient justification to take a lot of actions that you seem to wish to decry.

But ... noooooo ... can't let that happen, can you?  You simply can't allow for even the bare possibility that some US action could be morally justified.  Hence, your lack of desire to engage in a discussion about Chavez as a dictator.

To you, the US is the devil, and by definition, any actions it take must be evil.  This is your faith-based belief structure, and like any faith-based belief system, you can't react logically to cracks in that belief structure. 

So you act irrationally, and then try to build a logical sounding edifice to support it.

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I am just calling out a single factual error.
There is no factual error, as I have dispatched your claim at least twice.  You simply "need" there to be some kind of "factual error" in order to continue your belief system, so you manufacture one.

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You wish to divert attention from your error

You are the one into "diversion".  Read my comments about the rest of your post, below.  And ... again ... what "error"?

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( AND it's very troubling implications )

The start of your attempt to cast me in a personally derogatory manner ....

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Acting unlawfully, outside of the Constitution of Venezuela, using violence to effect change and affect perceptions about the government would under US Law qualifies the opposition as Terrorists.

New stuff here.  All of a sudden, it's not something "illegal" according to US law, but "outside the Constitution of Venezuala".  Why?  Could it be because the very source you attempted to use to "prove" that the US had acted illegally in Venezuela ended up disproving your very point?

I can imagine that is pretty embarrassing.  How to overcome that embarrassment, and the repudiation of your own "evidence"?

Why ... never address my pointing out that your own sources didn't support you, and then attempt to find some other source of "law" that would support you.  Changing the basis of your entire argument, but trying to make it seem that you aren't.

Caught ya, I'm afraid.  Why not just "be a man" and admit it when you screw up?  I screw up occasionally, and admit it, even when it's ashes in my mouth.  You should be able to do it as well.  In the long run, admitting when you make a mistake actually gives you greater credibility.

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You might disagree, and say, "Well, sometimes paying off Terrorists is a good thing, depending on who they're against".

Staw man.  Putting words into my mouth, and then, in your later sentences, insulting me for "saying" the words you placed there:

1. But I call that hypocritical. More than hyporcritical.

2. It is an INSULT to those and the families of those who have died by terror historically, specifically on 9/11, and since in the continuing fight against Terror.

3. I can't imagine the US paying and supporting Terrorists while sending our Troops to die fighting Terrorists.

4. It sickens me that ANYONE would shit on victims, our troops, and their families in this way.

All of the above insults, I could easily turn around and point them at you, but I won't.  You don't seem to have the intellectual honesty, nor the ability to reach outside of your insular, closed faith-based belief system to engage in actual discussion. 

If that changes, I'm more than happy to engage you in a calm discussion.  I don't expect it to happen however, and so I think this part of the thread is finished.

Good luck, and thanks for all the fish.

FirmKY

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RE: China - 3/1/2007 3:24:40 PM   
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"The US really has no plans or desire to control his country,"

Operative word is "control". You fail to see any difference between influence and control. You also twist my words in a manner to mean something other than what I said, and to support your argument. A straw man, in logical terms.


I think that the puppets of the US Government, the ones who receive the training and monetary support of the Government will certainly to do whatever they are ordered to by the people who gave them their shot. Just like when you get a "Loan" from the mob, you're not getting a "Loan" you're getting a PARTNER.

And you'll do what your new partner tells you to.

To think International Affairs is any different is naive in the extreme.

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The real reason you do not wish to answer my question about whether or not Chavez has revealed himself as a dictator, is for the simple fact that any reasonable person would arrive at the conclusion that he is one, or that his primary goal is the personal acquistion of power.


What DIFFERENCE does it make to a Citizen of the United States WHAT Chavez is.

It's NOT YOUR FUCKING COUNTRY. YOU DON'T GET A VOTE, YOU DON'T GET TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT.

If the People of Venezuela wanna have their own fucking revolution, more power to them. Best of luck. How's "Bringing Democracy to Mesopotamia" working out? What hubris makes you think intervention anywhere else would be any different.

quote:


In a reasonable world, taking actions against such a dictator for the purpose of giving or restoring a greater level of freedom to his citizens might actually be sufficient justification to take a lot of actions that you seem to wish to decry.


IF you're a Venezuelan, than again, more power to you. If you're NOT, I don't see what the fuck you're sticking your nose into it for. "The White Mans Burden" again? Is that the excuse?

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But ... noooooo ... can't let that happen, can you? You simply can't allow for even the bare possibility that some US action could be morally justified. Hence, your lack of desire to engage in a discussion about Chavez as a dictator.



Intervening in the Internal Affairs of a, please go look up this word, SOVEREIGN nation is never morally justified. When the FOREIGN AFFAIRS of a Sovereign nation give you a cause to mobilize for war, that's different, of course.

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To you, the US is the devil, and by definition, any actions it take must be evil. This is your faith-based belief structure, and like any faith-based belief system, you can't react logically to cracks in that belief structure.


No, The Government of the United States is dysfunctionally and constitutionally out of control. ALL problems in the United States today stem from this simple fact. By limiting the Federal Government to ONLY those powers explicitly delegated, this could be fixed at a great savings to The People as Government Employees leave the payroll.

Satan, is an angel. Ha-Satan is the accuser, a member of the divine council, who challenged the religious faith of humans, especially in the books of Job and Zechariah.



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RE: China - 3/1/2007 3:26:03 PM   
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RE: China - 3/1/2007 3:28:03 PM   
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I agree with your pot/kettle statement. It's kind of why I hammer on you all the time, because I think you want to apply that to Americans, without taking it on yourself.
 
You down America for being a superpower, and exploiting, or at least attempting ... but the only thing that keeps you from doing it, is that you are weak, and can't. Evidence ... when you weren't weak, you were just like us. Hell, Europeans, who the fuck do you think we learned it from?   1% of US population is native American. South Africa majority of population of native descent. Slightly different policies applied in 19th Century.......? Most people now except the slave trade was wrong and would not reinstigate it, people and countries change views on what was is now acceptable. The international court also holds more weight in European thinking than American thinking. It took two / arguably more world wars centred on European Countries to get some of the reality of Imerialism into peoples thoughts. Whilst for some European your observation may be correct for probably the majority it is incorrect.
 
Some Europeans are pissy about Iraq ... by coincidence, it's the same Europeans that were selling shit to Iraq. You don't really care about Iraq ... show me one bit of history where Eurpoeans have given a flying fuck about anyone but themselves (which is ok, by the way). 2003 15 members of EU gave $36.5 billion in aid - (US gave 13.3 billion). Much of the aid goes to countries that have no strategic, military, or economic improtance to the EU. .......... but as with most countries, historically actions were only undertaken for advantage.

In short Meatcleaver, I don't think Americans think they are all that. We are just the power that is ... and nothing more. Our country isn't any better than anyone elses ... just much more powerful, and more than willing to take advantage of it ... JUST like you would, if you could. The might is right argument. Perhaps it is the attempt to dress up actions as some greater good rather than admitting it's about money and oil that is the problem.  
 
Thats the bottom line ... it's not that you hate us or the things we do ... it's just that you wish it was you doing it, instread of us. The public demonstrations that would occur in Europe if they were would severely disrupt traffic flow and be most annoying
 
Pot/Kettle ... I agree.

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RE: China - 3/1/2007 3:29:24 PM   
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Definitions.— As used in this section—

(1) the term “material support or resources” means any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who may be or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials;

(2) the term “training” means instruction or teaching designed to impart a specific skill, as opposed to general knowledge; and

(3) the term “expert advice or assistance” means advice or assistance derived from scientific, technical or other specialized knowledge.

From the State Department Report cited earlier:

While it is clear that NED, Department of Defense (DOD), and other U.S. assistance programs provided training, institution building, and other support to individuals and organizations understood to be actively involved in the brief ouster of the Chávez government, we found no evidence that this support directly contributed, or was intended to contribute, to that event.


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RE: China - 3/1/2007 5:21:50 PM   
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RE: China - 3/1/2007 6:03:01 PM   
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You about a funny motherfucker but about twoo weeks late pal.

While you have demonstrated your tour de force of cites and your noggin, and defended and deified the warrior faction of the dickweeds, under control of toilet scraper Cheny with all cites and footnotes, it turns out that in reality, the goverment needs troops, the war in the middle east is not being won, the rhetoric is putrid and insulting, but ---

at your core, you have made what you  consider to be sound and citeful arguments.........

it's not really worth, it's just the power to talk............

I have actually lived some of this, and I gotta tell ya---

When I am an expert it is because I have done more than read a book, or read rush limbaugh---

So, the Korean nuke shit came down even as I said it would, but you had contrary sites. now you may  say that it is insulting, but no, the  quoting of idiots does not make   an argument true (as well as false) it is just a matter of the dependant clause...............


but you go, girl.

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RE: China - 3/1/2007 6:06:25 PM   
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I will say this, Living outside mainland US and hearing the US government saying it was worried about my freedom then there would only be one thing to do....run for the hills and hope US fighter bombers didnt get me.

I exclude Iraq from this because I believe both the US/UK are keen to disengage and in fact it is the Iraquis doing the killing.


ummm. can you say Katrina. those folks are Americans. US govt STOPPED -truckload of water from Walmart, blocks Firemen en route from virginia, My goverment that is here to protect me BLOCKED aid sent by many credable folks.
The video was televised around the globe. Folks all over the world offerred help. I will never forgive bush for this!!



They are not there to Protect You. They're only looking to protect their phony baloney jobs, and Mike Browne still had to take one for the team.

There is no legitimate response except the approved Federal Response. All Your State Guard Belong to U.S



What US govt does to "other" people- it may well decide to do to its OWN people.  Case in point, KATRINA.

The entire world was watching!      The one time the corporate media got it right- and news cast served the public.

OBSTRUCTING help-  is a violation of human rights. When 100s sleept on the freeway for days- you and I slept in a bed-

The Feds FCKED the people. we the people.

Im pissed off over this!! How dare they!!!!!!!!!

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RE: China - 3/1/2007 6:10:20 PM   
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RE: China - 3/1/2007 7:30:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's easy to say the observations are incorrect, while you are weak, and times are good. Tell me, what is your history when you are strong, and things go wrong?
 
As far as might makes right ... to me, it's not a question of supporting it ... only a question of understanding it. It isn't meant to justify anything. There is nothing to justify. You have the right to do whatever you want, and so do we. You have the right to like what you want, have whatever alliances you want ... and so do we.
 
You Eurpoeans have a lot to say about the United States, and most of it very critical. I can't help notice that almost anything said about you, gets the strongest of reactions ... which of course is why I did it.
 
I used the word weak ... and I'm sticking with it.

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RE: China - 3/1/2007 7:59:11 PM   
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LOL,

You about a funny motherfucker but about twoo weeks late pal.

While you have demonstrated your tour de force of cites and your noggin, and defended and deified the warrior faction of the dickweeds, under control of toilet scraper Cheny with all cites and footnotes, it turns out that in reality, the goverment needs troops, the war in the middle east is not being won, the rhetoric is putrid and insulting, but ---

at your core, you have made what you  consider to be sound and citeful arguments.........

it's not really worth, it's just the power to talk............

I have actually lived some of this, and I gotta tell ya---

When I am an expert it is because I have done more than read a book, or read rush limbaugh---

So, the Korean nuke shit came down even as I said it would, but you had contrary sites. now you may  say that it is insulting, but no, the  quoting of idiots does not make   an argument true (as well as false) it is just a matter of the dependant clause...............


but you go, girl.

Ron 



OK, I'll "go girl", since you invited me to.

First off, Ron, I've tried to treat you with a measure of respect, because you do - at times - have some things to say that are interesting, if somewhat obtuse and opaque.

But I've come to the conclusion that you are one of the biggest attention seeking individuals on the forum, throwing crap up against the wall, to see if anything will stick.

Let's see if anything "sticks" out of this post of yours.

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LOL,

You about a funny motherfucker but about twoo weeks late pal.

So I'm a "funny motherfucker"?  And "about two weeks late"?  For what? 

You start out with an insulting bonhommie disguised attack about ... who the hell knows? 

Passive aggressive behavior, anyone?

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While you have demonstrated your tour de force of cites and your noggin, and defended and deified the warrior faction of the dickweeds, under control of toilet scraper Cheny with all cites and footnotes, it turns out that in reality, the goverment needs troops, the war in the middle east is not being won, the rhetoric is putrid and insulting, but ---

There isn't a single fact or logical argument in this paragraph at all.  It's simply a mumbled together list of demeaning and insulting descriptions with a semantic content that can be summed up as "you stupid".

Trying to parse you words to make any sense is almost a waste of time and effort.  What little I do get from it is that you seem to think you know exactly what I think and why, and have measured me and my beliefs found it all wanting.

 *shrugs*

That's ok, except for the fact that I'd kinda like to know who died and made you God?  I don't buy your ex cathedral utterances of infallibility.

So sorry poppa-san. I'm not a member of your church.  

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at your core, you have made what you  consider to be sound and citeful arguments.........

it's not really worth, it's just the power to talk............

I have no expectations of changing the opinions of people such as FB or you.  However, I think it would be more than fair to point the fact right back at you that what you are posting is also "just the power of talk".

So far, your "power of talk" isn't the slightest bit convincing.

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I have actually lived some of this, and I gotta tell ya---

When I am an expert it is because I have done more than read a book, or read rush limbaugh---

When it comes to discussions of fact and logic, you seem to favor dragging your dick out of your pants for some kind of dick measuring contest.

And in what - if anything - are you claiming to be "an expert"?   Because I really don't give you much credibility in your "been there, done that" bullshit. 

Ya know why?

Cause I suspect that I've "been there and done that" more - and longer - than you have.  I simply don't attempt to brag or use it as some sort of "fuck you, you ignorant slut" argument, such as you often do.  Nor do I particularly enjoy getting involved in dick measuring contests.  I'd just as soon cut someone off at the knees while they are dragging it out of their pants.

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So, the Korean nuke shit came down even as I said it would, but you had contrary sites. now you may  say that it is insulting, but no, the  quoting of idiots does not make   an argument true (as well as false) it is just a matter of the dependant clause...............

Maybe your memory is better than mine, but I certainly don't remember having an argument with you or anyone else about North Korean "nuke shit".  I believe that you are confabulating and confusing things here again.

And since I don't think I got into a discussion about "North Korean nuke shit", I didn't have any "contrary sites" nor did I quote any "idiots".

But when I do enter a debate or discussion, I have a tendency to quote my sources, rather than just making shit up based on the ABC Evening News, the latest conspiracy theory discussed on a CM forum, and whatever else came up out of my dreams the night before.

So ... if you wish to enter into a calm, measured and rational discussion about where you have disagreements with any of my post, I'm game.  If you just wanna wag your dick around, and puff up your chest ... well ... I know how to handle that kind of crap as well.

FirmKY

< Message edited by FirmhandKY -- 3/1/2007 8:03:08 PM >

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RE: China - 3/1/2007 8:14:44 PM   
mnottertail


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perhaps I was not clear---

you have a bunch of words on a pagem, no difference it your citings that I just am pretty much gonna treat as asswipe---

so, having all these other world arguments, KainTuck---

You have no other recourse than to give a kiss ass that AS I SAID without talking head asswipe dickweed cites on the web that China is pretty much gonna control the area in which their little kneelers to the government breaths, oh yeah, and they are gonna  pretty much dictate policy to the North Koreans, I dont give a fuck about the little short  fingered dictators whos name starts with a comma, but yeah, after that you been pretty much in the right---you visons have beared out with the unfortunate exceptions of everything you have hacked, but you got some kinda shit going on brother, and you are right, you have been a veritable pussy out here and I am somewhat distrught about how everyone has been insulting you but I think that comes with greatness and absolute and total default, so you gotta take a couple hits, but a clock is right twice a day.........your arguements dont hold for more than  minute--------and I really dont give a fuck what you quote, lets look at ------------


OH GOD
I
NEED
A
DRUMROLL
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SOMEONE
TO SUCK MY DICK

Ka, Fu, Sui, Chi, Ku

until you understand that, you will pay to be liked and admired
I want a blowjob


LOL
Ron
but you are so hansome and non insulting in your arguments, I wish I could be like you


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RE: China - 3/1/2007 8:58:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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I will say this, Living outside mainland US and hearing the US government saying it was worried about my freedom then there would only be one thing to do....run for the hills and hope US fighter bombers didnt get me.

I exclude Iraq from this because I believe both the US/UK are keen to disengage and in fact it is the Iraquis doing the killing.


ummm. can you say Katrina. those folks are Americans. US govt STOPPED -truckload of water from Walmart, blocks Firemen en route from virginia, My goverment that is here to protect me BLOCKED aid sent by many credable folks.
The video was televised around the globe. Folks all over the world offerred help. I will never forgive bush for this!!



They are not there to Protect You. They're only looking to protect their phony baloney jobs, and Mike Browne still had to take one for the team.

There is no legitimate response except the approved Federal Response. All Your State Guard Belong to U.S.






fema cut the local police communications but the local police fixed it.  (they saw them) BUSTED!   911 ring a bell?   it was a litmus test to see the response of the american people if they took over and disarmed a city.  more to come :)  now i would post a video interview but no one on this site bothers watching them anyway


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RE: China - 3/1/2007 9:18:15 PM   
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i dont see china as being overtly imperialist as the us has become.  the fight is going to be over oil if the world cannot come up with an alternative sounce and that means lots less plastic since plastics are made from oil.

china imo is nervous because they are building up.  they have shown the us that they can easily shoot down our spy sats.  no sats and we have no war.

If china shifts the bulk of its economy base to europe then we had better duck.

If china runs out of oil and we stay greedy then duck

If we invade iran, that may be all china can stand.  big puzzle, lots of scenarios that could play out.



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