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ownedgirlie -> RE: Sabotaging your chances. (3/6/2007 6:30:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

  • Some nights I shouldn't post and instead should focus on this horrible paper I am working on.




For what it's worth, it was a great post and one I greatly related to.

Trade you your paper for my Stats homework any day.




missturbation -> RE: Sabotaging your chances. (3/6/2007 6:41:52 PM)

As a D/s are/do you sabotage a potential relationship for fear of failure?
Yes definately though never on purpose on conciously.
 
Are you afraid you cannot live up to their expectations of Dominance/submission?
Most definately and up until now i have failed.
And I'm still waiting for the rain to fall.
Pour real life down on me.
'Cause I can't hold on to anything this good enough.
Am I good enough for you to love me too?

Lyrics from a fave song of mine but so true to me and usually the rain does pour.
 
Do you nit pick them looking for a reason to sabotage or not even initiate contact.
No i think i just tend to back off when they get too close for comfort. Ive never really initiated contact so that doesnt count for me.




WhiplashSmile -> RE: Sabotaging your chances. (3/6/2007 7:52:08 PM)

This thread has been very thought provoking, but I myself have Sabotaged things.

Sabotaging the Vanilla
I drive the Vanilla minded person away from me.

Sabotaging the non-Rocker types
I dive those away from me that I feel can't deal with me playing guitar in a band.

These are two big ones...  there are other reasons.   I actually drove somebody away from me a couple a weekends, just because they don't like to dance.  I do!  She might have been a very wonderful person, Hell she could have been into BDSM for all I know.  I just know me, I like to Dance.  Plus, I'd enjoy having somebody dance for me.   So, Bang Bang Bang!! I'm off exploring other things with other women in conversation.   Crossed paths a few more times with her, but was on guard, and careful not to do anything which she could mistake as a real interest in her.   Bang, Bang, Bang,  Sabotage something which I did not feel was right for me.






captiveprincess -> RE: Sabotaging your chances. (3/6/2007 8:04:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Troll

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  Are you afraid you cannot live up to their expectations of Dominance/submission?


This is SO common on so many levels. 
  • They are so terrified of topping from the bottom that they never state their needs or downplay them.  Reality is you can't top from the bottom unless the top isn't up to the job.  In fact, WITHHOLDING that information is the only real way to top from the bottom.  But it takes a long time to learn that.
  • They have notions of what they should be doing and instead of asking or even listening, they think they are failing because they meet those notions.  Many inexperienced submissives think their submission should be easy, or that they should be able to obey without hesitation.  Hell if they could do what I wanted effortless, I would ask them to do something else.  I WANT to see them struggle.
  • Along the same lines are images of what dominance should look like.  I am sure for some, they are the same no matter who their submissive/slave/bottom is but it isn't that way for me.  One thinks of a dominant as being the manly man and perhaps always ordering the food and choosing for the submissive.  A wonderful woman I was with knew far more about food than I and I had her order FOR me because I got tired of wanting what she ordered!  I tend to cook for my women, does that make me submissive, NO!  Again, for me, I reversed role with that woman and let her cook for me.  The problem comes in when a submissive sees their dominant doing something they percieve as "submissive" and reacting to their perception of what they should be doing rather than stepping back and looking at it from a perspective of "our relationship is unique and this works for my dominant".
  • Some nights I shouldn't post and instead should focus on this horrible paper I am working on.




Beautifully said, SimplyMichael.  i hate to think of myself as a new sub/slave since i've been researching the lifestyle for many years now, but that's exactly what i am - a newly collared slave.  And never having been in a real life 24/7 type situation before, i'm encountering many of the obstacles You described and also having to deal with passive-aggression because of the way i have been perceiving the situation.  Thanks to my Lady and a couple of Her Dominant friends (They are probably reading this thread, so thank You Both.), i got a perspective change and things are back on track.  Let me encourage all new subs, and even the experienced ones who forget occassionally.  Your Dominant is there for You.  If You are having a problem, don't be afraid to go to Him/Her instead of thinking that You are "bothering" Them with your problems and keeping it bottled inside and making it worse.  That is the worst thing you could do.

Lady K's collared slave,
~shelly




Vendaval -> RE: Sabotaging your chances. (3/7/2007 1:26:35 AM)

I have a filtering system through which a potential must pass.
Until we meet face to face and have a real life conversation,
I invest little on an emotional level.  This may sound harsh,
but this process developed after having so many people who
initiated contact and then disappeared or failed to show up.

I always bring a book or magazine to a first meeting.  That way,
if they do not show, at least I had an iced tea, a snack and
something good to read.   




Vendaval -> RE: Sabotaging your chances. (3/7/2007 1:37:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

I suppose in all fairness I will chime in here.

I don’t consider what I do sabotage, I have high standards and want to insure that it is the right connection for all of us. I had chose to be a rake I would be in the happy hunting grounds of rakedom. It is not that I don’t find an ocean of attractive women here, however I am here to make a commitment and that means that there must be something special and exclusive between us. I need to be certain that she meets my criteria of a slave and that she is capable of the burden of serving me.

You have high standards and a vision of what you want.
Be grateful that you do, most people only have a vague
notion of their needs, wants and identity.

My profile is harsh and unrealistic for a number of reasons, as well as self-defeating. It is in place to dissuade the HNG’s and let the rest know that I, me, myself is in charge and the only topping that will be done from the bottom is me telling her where to rub as she massages my back. Many of you read my posts and I suspect a few give me the red hand of STFU. However my posts are the best representation I have of myself and the first look into my ID. I am a playfully notorious flirt and a hopeless smartass from which there is no reprieve. I am sharp as a whip and the snappy comebacks are at light speed. All this you know.

Loki, no one ever said that self-awareness would be easy.
Stupidity is easy.  Knowing yourself is fucking brutal.
 
One test for a Dominant personality is -
"If I take or not take a particular course of action,
will I be able to face myself the next morning?"


I don’t often initiate contact, it is the sub/slaves market and it will just sit in the wank folder until such a time that it might, possibly, be read. After contact I like to keep it in the e-mails for a long time and eventually into chat. One day over the phone, although I despise speaking on the phone, and then with some luck and the absence of red flags a public meet. I feel a little different about Domme’s. I tend to mail with them a little, IM a lot, gab on the phone, and love to sip mead across pillows and talk until they say; please shut up and go to sleep (ain’t it Ven).
I know some sub/slaves want to go slow, some fast, but my speed is the only speed and it very well could be sabotage.
(/quote]

No my dear, your speed is the right speed, because you are
The Dom.  When a person, situation and timing are right,
you will know, in your heart and in your gut.  If you take
action not in tune with your heart and your instincts, then
you will fail.
 
Trust your heart and your instincts.  That is what separates
us from the ones who live life without searching, seeking,
wondering and imagining our own reality.
 
Ven
 
 
 




mythi -> RE: Sabotaging your chances. (3/7/2007 3:35:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel

mythi, I know how my words come across sometimes and it isn't always the way I meant for them to come across. Of course everyone has certain things they simply will not accept or absolutely have to have. But there are a LOT of people that have this ideal in their head about what they are looking for with no room to wiggle, that's what I was talking about. Too many go through life looking for the imperfections of every potential partner they meet rather then focusing on the humanity of that individual. I'm sure we all know the at least one of them... the "OMG, you should see the way he combs out his hair after a shower... it drives me NUTS" type of person. That's generally followed by "I just can't live with that" attitude. All I was saying is that those are the people that will spend a great deal of time alone because they are looking for absolute perfection in extremely imperfect people.
 
I can say that because for the longest time I refused to accept anyone that didn't live up to what I believed I wanted and needed in my life. It took getting slapped around a little bit by reality for me to understand that what I thought I was looking for didn't exist and what I really needed and wanted is what found me. Simple advice, open the doors and windows and be ready for what you want and need to find you.
 
Yes, there are beasties and monsters along the way... but no one ever got anywhere by staying in one place.
 
Jewel


Just wanted to make sure my post wasn't misinterpreted by you or anyone else...one of the drawbacks to being new here.   I took absolutely no offense to your post whether it was (as it seemed) more directed at me or not.  I promise, I'm really hard to offend!  But your post made me wonder if mine hadn't been taken the wrong way in general, that people thought I was one of those uber-picky subs who does think Mr. Perfect is out there, power exch. or not.  Cus I don't.  In fact I'm rather fond of people's flaws...I think that's what makes them interesting!  And I am willing to reconsider my stand on almost everything with just a few exceptions.  And probably not the exceptions one would assume from a quick glance at my profile.  Does that mean I should rewrite my profile?  Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe.  But at the same time, what I have posted right now is my ideal, and I'd like to try for that first.

Frankly, noone with a squeaky-clean perfect past has a chance in hell of understanding me anyway.  I don't know about any of you, but I'm a lil cracked.  No, really.  Loony.  Out of my wee widdle skull.  And I'm okay with that.  If that makes me too complicated or challenging for you, then fine.  Because ya know what?  I'm going to be too complicated or challenging for you!  lol  No harm, no foul.  It's not going to work out anyway, so don't waste either my time or your own.

Reality=Reality

Is that sabotage?  If so then it seems to me that it's just sabotaging something that was doomed to failure from the beginning.   Where's the bad in that?




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