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slaveluci -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 3:45:18 AM)
Let me give you an example from the left.. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794568/posts domiguy, Thanks for the link. i had it at one point but had somehow forgotten about it. If this is someone you seek to defend...Go ahead....She's a real peach and she speaks for your party....I have read both Coulter and Franken...I just don't see the "HATE" in Franken that lies within this woman... Good point. i knew there was SOME difference...lol. Franken is more comedic in his rants, for sure, since he is a comedian and the level of real hatred definitely is not there as it is in Coulter's statements. Why would any party want to be associated with such a woman? [/quote] i've always thought it was because she actually says what some other conservatives think and don't have the cajones to admit. She's like this tactless mouthpiece who will always vocalize the worst of what they may be thinking. But hey, the "left" has those too, so it seems like it's always tit for tat.......JMHO, slave luci

slaveluci -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 3:58:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sternhand4 quote: ORIGINAL: slaveluci quote: ORIGINAL: Sternhand4 quote: ORIGINAL: Zensee I don't believe I was sidestepping, Rich, but adding a perspective. There is ofensive language and then there is offensive language. In this case Coulter's is a notch above merely heated. I am certain if a liberal commentator had used such an epithet at a Democrat rally there would have been solid condemnation as well. Perhaps you have a specific counterexample. So far all I have seen is generalities that apply equally to both sides. To put things in another perspective, there is only one person, in the article, actually calling for a blanket condemnation of Coulters comments by the R candidates. It's not like the left rose with one voice, demanding the right take back every nasty thing ever said about the Dems. This thread seems to be wanting to inflate the incident not to mention twist it to look one sided. IMHO. Z. Let me give you an example from the left.. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794568/posts Bill Maher So, Sternhand4, how do you feel about this example? Should Bill Maher have his show taken from him everytime he says something inflammatory or controversial? i don't feel his other show should have been cancelled, let alone this one. How can he have a program where such issues are openly discussed if he has to fear the thought/language police at every turn? He's not advocating that someone go assassinate Cheney. He's merely speaking his mind that, as Cheney is viewed by some to be at least partly responsible for the ongoing deaths in Iraq, perhaps if he wasn't still in charge of that cluster fk, so many more might not die in the future. i'm not agreeing with that statement, per se, but it could indeed be a valid point. Saying something could have a certain impact if done is NOT the same thing as saying it should be done.....i think those on both sides of the ideological fence need to take a deep breath, ratchet it down a few notches, quit being so thin-skinned, and just actually LISTEN to what is being said rather than going into histrionics everytime someone on the "other" side says something they don't totally embrace........JMHO.....slave luci Do I think it should be taken from him for what he said, or the ideas that he express's? No. He has the right to state anythingfoolish that he wants. I think that as a consumer I would not go out of my way to "support" his show by watching it. Which would make him less marketable. If he loses his show for that reason, then I'd be ok with it. War is always an ugly thing.and people die. Nothing will change that. The question always tends to be what are you willing to fight for. If you read alot of the threads here you find that some are willing to fight and some are strongly opposed. I find that I'd rather have us fighting in any other country but ours. That sounds harsh, but I have no desire to see school buses, police stations etc, blown up here. If you wait to fight people like Al queda here then they have already started to win. Sternhand, In my opinion, you hit the nail right on the head when you said that as a consumer, you wouldn't go out of your way to support a show you don't agree with. Exactly! If either Ann Coulter or Bill Maher or Bill O'Reilly or Jon Stewart or anyone on either side upsets me so much i don't want to see them, i just push this button that says "OFF" and they just magically go away. i don't try to get them taken off the air. Sometimes, i think people forget they have that option. As far as debating about the war, i won't even go in depth there now ( i have to be at work in 2 hours...lol). However, in a nutshell, my thoughts on this war are: Yes, as you said, war is always ugly and people die. Therefore, it should only be engaged in when a country really IS in danger and only as a last resort. It should only be entered into as a necessity and a country's entry into a war should definitely not be based on lies (as our's into this one was). And, most importantly to me, when a country is attacked and they decide to fight back, they should always, most definitely be sure to actually attack the people who attacked them (Osama Bin Laden/Al Queda) not just some other country whose leader the first country's leader hates (Iraq/Saddam Hussein). Just a thought.... slave luci**

slaveluci -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 4:12:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zensee slaveluci - I think you'll find that as much as people can be quite partisan here they can also be reasonable. And while the same people tend to lock horns in the same way over similar issues, the lines are not always predictable. Much as in the "real" world, then? i find that's how most people usually are and that's a good thing. You seem to have a balanced approach and some fresh ideas, and that is welcome. Of course there is the danger of standing in the middle of the road and all that... LOL. Thanks for the compliment. There is definite danger in the middle of the road and i do try to avoid being there, for sure. [:)] My opinions are very rarely middle of the road or centrist, it's just that age has taught me to be accepting of other's differing views and to try to debate respectfully so i try to contain myself a bit. If you were a fly on the wall sometimes....lol....you'd never think i was anywhere in the middle.... On topic: I don't suppose the comments by Bill Maher were universally condoned by the left, were they? No comments by anyone of any perspective are actually ever "universally"condoned or condemned. Fortunately, groupthink isn't that prevalant....yet And while I am sure the calls for the censure of Ann Coulter in this instance, were not confined to the one person, I think a wider expression of outrage is both expected and reasonable. Being outraged over what she said is fine. But trying to censure or censor her, to me, is not. Where does a policy like that end? Now, if she went on TV and said, "I hate faggots. Let's go gay-bash" then i could agree with taking action against her words. For her to simply insinuate that Edwards is a "faggot" is a juvenile stunt and not dangerous words. Tactless and ignorant? Sure. But necessitating action against her? Not at all in my opinion. Her use of the term faggot is not just an unpleasantry. Differences in degree are relevent. Basically, based on what i just wrote above, i feel it IS exactly that. An unpleasantry that shows her juvenile, bullying tendencies but really nothing more. i agree that there are definitely degrees but the problem comes in with #1- what are they? and most importantly #2 - WHO gets to decide what they are? i definitely don't want someone like Coulter deciding what's appropriate for me and i'm sure she'd feel the same way about me...... sincerely, slave luci Z.

slaveluci -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 4:14:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Life would be very boring if we all agreed. FOR SURE!!!!! slave luci

krys -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 4:35:16 AM)
What Coulter said this time is just another in a string of repugnant statements to spew forth from that woman. That being said, her words are her responsibility and hers alone. I would never expect the Reps to "apologize" for her statements, because they are not responsible for them. I have to disagree that Dems never hold their own responsible for what they say, however. Biden's little comment about Obama as being articulate and clean was phrased in such a way that he has no chance at the election, and was roundly condemed from the left. And I seem to remember Kerry having to apologize for his bad troops joke. No one should be condemed for what Coulter had to say except Coulter. Then again, she clearly does what she does for the attention and, like any 2 year old having a tantrum, I think it is long past time we stop feeding her need.

juliaoceania -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 5:07:47 AM)
Ann Coulter recently bashed the families of 9-11 in her book. I thought that this was so vile that she should apologize then. Cheney is just doing his part to distance the GOP from her because she is a vile puke. Now I think they should let her spew because a large part of the Republican base is just like her.. they love her,... that is why they worship her... oh yeah, let her speak[;)] As far as this comment quote: It long predates any current administration, MC. The most bigoted, rascist filth (anti-semitism in particular) can come from the mouths of the Left, and all is quickly forgiven. Not so for the Right. I am not anti-semitic because I dislike Israeli policy anymore than I am anti-Sudanese for disliking the genocide that they are doing, or Anti-Islamic for disliking the terrorist state of Saudi Arabia.. Israel, the Saudis, Sudan, all repressive regimes.

Sanity -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 6:27:49 AM)
That's a lie - Ann Coulter did not bash 9-11 families in her book, though she did take some 9-11 "widows" to task for using their husbands' tragedies for political gain. But something I find highly amusing is that, from where I sit, you and Ann Coulter are exact mirror images of each other, except she's rich, famous, intellectually honest, and I think that Ann Coulter is much better looking. But the similarity is, your vile words about "most Republicans" are no better than the things that come out of Ann Coulters' mouth about you and your kind. Perhaps that's why you hate her so much - you're so much like her, and she's who you see when you look in the mirror! quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Ann Coulter recently bashed the families of 9-11 in her book. I thought that this was so vile that she should apologize then. Cheney is just doing his part to distance the GOP from her because she is a vile puke. Now I think they should let her spew because a large part of the Republican base is just like her.. they love her,... that is why they worship her... oh yeah, let her speak[;)] As far as this comment quote: It long predates any current administration, MC. The most bigoted, rascist filth (anti-semitism in particular) can come from the mouths of the Left, and all is quickly forgiven. Not so for the Right. I am not anti-semitic because I dislike Israeli policy anymore than I am anti-Sudanese for disliking the genocide that they are doing, or Anti-Islamic for disliking the terrorist state of Saudi Arabia.. Israel, the Saudis, Sudan, all repressive regimes.

LaTigresse -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 6:38:48 AM)
Ann Coulter does what she does because people love it. People love love LOVE to have someone/something to get their panties in a bunch over and she feeds that. She is nothing more than a media sensation. Just another version of Howard Stern and the like. She found her niche and ran with it. Probably laughs all the way to the bank. Now if she called to task some 911 widows, I cannot say that I blame her. Having been involved with our military and people in law enforcement I have seen first hand how some people just thrive on that sort of drama, feeding on it, using it to make excuses for all their problems. While I sympathise when people are suffering, there is a point that everyone needs to move on. Lets face it, shitty things happen to people all over the world, every damned day. Alot of it is way worse than loosing a family member in one act of terrorizm. Sometimes you just gotta put your big girl panties/big boy boxers on, accept your shitty crap, find a way to get through it and move forward with life.

farglebargle -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 8:17:29 AM)
Ann's on record as saying: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." Anyone who supports her, supports the terrorists. Simple enough.

Sanity -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 8:23:21 AM)
You've got that backwards. Anyone who supports the New York Times supports terrorists. quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Ann's on record as saying: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." Anyone who supports her, supports the terrorists. Simple enough.

farglebargle -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 8:34:06 AM)
It's not the NYT. It's the idea of supporting those who would use terror and mayhem while sending our troops to die to combat terror and mayhem. When your entire gig is built on fighting terror, and you have people dying to fight terror, the idea of promoting terror is sickening. There are people who supported Eric Rudolph. Same mental disease.

LaTigresse -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 8:48:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Ann's on record as saying: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." Anyone who supports her, supports the terrorists. Simple enough. Sounds like she is earning her paycheck then.

farglebargle -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 8:54:11 AM)
There is a great deal of "Howard Stern Effect" in her career. If she wasn't saying crazy things, would anyone cover her appearances?

Sanity -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 9:18:12 AM)
It's okay farglebargle, really. There are plenty of Leftists who back and support terrorism - you just don't hear nearly as much about them because of the double standard. Here's a perfect example: http://newsbusters.org/node/11169 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle It's not the NYT. It's the idea of supporting those who would use terror and mayhem while sending our troops to die to combat terror and mayhem. When your entire gig is built on fighting terror, and you have people dying to fight terror, the idea of promoting terror is sickening. There are people who supported Eric Rudolph. Same mental disease.

farglebargle -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 9:33:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity It's okay farglebargle, really. There are plenty of Leftists who back and support terrorism - you just don't hear nearly as much about them because of the double standard. Here's a perfect example: http://newsbusters.org/node/11169 Well, I'm not sure if Bill Maher's comments count as "you just don't hear about it, given the publicity it's gotten. Reading the transcript, the takeaway is apparently "Fewer People Would Be Dead If Cheney Weren't In Office", and Maher, being a douchebag chose an assinine way of expressing it. I'm not sure it rises to blowing up a building, though. You need to really stretch Maher's comments ( as I gather from the transcript ) to any, vis... Barney Frank: They said the bomb was wasted. (laughter and applause) Maher: That’s a funny joke. But, seriously, if this isn’t China, shouldn’t you be able to say that? Why did Arianna Huffington, my girlfriend, I love her, but why did she take that off right away? The answer being of course: It was puerile and in horrible taste. Maher: But I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow. (applause) This is inoffensive, as given Dick Cheney's average of .000, a blindfolded chimp tossing darts could do better, it's based on reality. Maher: I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact. More of that puerile horrible taste. He is as big an asshole as Coulter. Perhaps both of them should be banished to infomercials?

Mercnbeth -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 9:57:14 AM)
Maybe this will finally get more to realize that anyone who uses name calling disqualifies any point that they are trying to make. I have never swallowed the "I was only joking" morning after pill. More should do so. As intelligent as people tell me Ms. Coulter's writings and talks may be I've never read her based upon prior use of the the juvenile name calling tactic. Who does it worse, the left, right, or middle, is immaterial to me. As much as I believe the decisions of President Bush are the result of a son's misplaced revenge of his father he will forever be referred as President Bush. I firmly believe that President Carter is directly responsible for the current state of the middle is and should be considered one of the founding father's of radical Islam; yet he will still be referenced as President Carter. But many support the ongoing juvenille practice, no name validates a point, no reference changes reality. Responding to "buzzwords", as indicated by the polls, works. Mr. Edwards was practically inconsequential until this occurred, now Ms. Coulter has returned him to relevance. Considering that he has her remarks high-lighted and is using them as a fund raising tool on his website indicates just how well many respond to name calling. I'm sure if he fails in his attempt to gain the Democratic nomination, he'll use her words to advertise his plaintiff law practice. The sad thing is, that people will validate his ability based solely upon Ms. Coulter's insult. But again, I bet there are people who will vote for or against someone in this election just because they smiled when a reference was made to "monkey-boy". You get what you deserve.

domiguy -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 10:01:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity That's a lie - Ann Coulter did not bash 9-11 families in her book, though she did take some 9-11 "widows" to task for using their husbands' tragedies for political gain. But something I find highly amusing is that, from where I sit, you and Ann Coulter are exact mirror images of each other, except she's rich, famous, intellectually honest, and I think that Ann Coulter is much better looking. But the similarity is, your vile words about "most Republicans" are no better than the things that come out of Ann Coulters' mouth about you and your kind. Perhaps that's why you hate her so much - you're so much like her, and she's who you see when you look in the mirror! quote: Domiguy 9/11 Widows "These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis... These self-obsessed women seemed genuinely unaware that 9/11 was an attack on our nation and acted as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them... I’ve never seen people enjoying their husbands’ deaths so much." Excerpt which caused most media controversy Godless: The Church of Liberalism June 2006[1][2] This is what you call taking the 9/11 widows to task? Why you chose the name of "SANITY" probably goes right to the heart of the problem...You say that Ann Coulter is "intellectually honest"...I don't believe anyone out here would try and defend that statement.(Does anyone who takes up the Republican agenda agree with this?)..Then the links you use to back any opinion you hold are all "Far Right Wing" sites...Everyone should simply dismiss your posts from this point forward. And to all who say that Coulter is mirroring Franken....And quotes of Franken spewing his kind of venom can "easily" be found...Please back up this claim with some quotes. I would like to read them.

caitlyn -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 10:52:10 AM)
I heard an analyst on the news refer to Ann Coulter, as the Paris Hilton of politics. I enjoy good political satire, but most of these people just aren't funny. I also feel that name callers are completely responsible for elections that get decided based on what happened in the Air National Guard, or what the Swift Boat Boys have to say ... instead of on the issues.

Mercnbeth -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 10:56:54 AM)
quote: And to all who say that Coulter is mirroring Franken....And quotes of Franken spewing his kind of venom can "easily" be found...Please back up this claim with some quotes. *I would like to read them.* Why?

FirmhandKY -> RE: The Double Standard rears it's head (3/5/2007 11:07:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy And to all who say that Coulter is mirroring Franken....And quotes of Franken spewing his kind of venom can "easily" be found...Please back up this claim with some quotes. I would like to read them. I'd guess you'd be talking about me. But, that's not what I said. Go back and read my words again, more closely this time, please. FirmKY edited to add link to the post in question: Post 36

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